Jameson Williams Thread

[FantasyFreak]

The team facility rule makes perfect sense. The last thing they want is guys in the weight room, or lunch room, lounge etc. gambling, and getting others into it etc. It would incentivize all kinds of bad stuff. It would become addictive, and spread like wildfire, in some situations. Then you get some rookie who loses a bunch of bets, and want to make his money back somehow....you know where those things can theoretically lead.

It's very reasonable why the NFL prohibits gambling on sports in a team situation/facility.

[Pullo Vision]

The team facility rule makes perfect sense. The last thing they want is guys in the weight room, or lunch room, lounge etc. gambling, and getting others into it etc. It would incentivize all kinds of bad stuff. It would become addictive, and spread like wildfire, in some situations. Then you get some rookie who loses a bunch of bets, and want to make his money back somehow....you know where those things can theoretically lead.

It's very reasonable why the NFL prohibits gambling on sports in a team situation/facility.

I completely get that angle. My problem is there are two elements to the Ridley and Williams suspensions-
A- gamble on NFL games vs non NFL games
B- gamble anywhere vs only at team facilities

Either gambling anywhere needs to be prohibited or bets on NFL games prohibited at team facilities but not sanctioned elsewhere.

[Ice]

The team facility rule makes perfect sense. The last thing they want is guys in the weight room, or lunch room, lounge etc. gambling, and getting others into it etc. It would incentivize all kinds of bad stuff. It would become addictive, and spread like wildfire, in some situations. Then you get some rookie who loses a bunch of bets, and want to make his money back somehow....you know where those things can theoretically lead.

It's very reasonable why the NFL prohibits gambling on sports in a team situation/facility.

I completely get that angle. My problem is there are two elements to the Ridley and Williams suspensions-
A- gamble on NFL games vs non NFL games
B- gamble anywhere vs only at team facilities

Either gambling anywhere needs to be prohibited or bets on NFL games prohibited at team facilities but not sanctioned elsewhere.

That's not really realistic. The NFL is a league with lots of rules and teams also have rules. The NFL doesn't want gambling or even the appearance of gambling at their places of business. The league will not allow players or staff betting on actual NFL games for obvious reasons.

The NFL spends plenty of time going over rules with rookies. Ignorance is no excuse but these players all know the rules when it comes to gambling. It doesn't matter at all if it is legal or not.

The NFL is actually being surprisingly soft with only 6 games when it's indefinite if it was actually on NFL games.

Fans weekly in season already come away with the game is rigged based on some of the calls. The NFL is protecting themselves with the rules.

Playing in the league is privilege not a right so whatever one thinks either work within the rules or find another job.

Maybe some players feel entitled to do whatever they like but, in this case they were stupid and made poor choices against policy and are now paying the price.

Hard to feel bad for Stupid.

[FantasyFreak]

The team facility rule makes perfect sense. The last thing they want is guys in the weight room, or lunch room, lounge etc. gambling, and getting others into it etc. It would incentivize all kinds of bad stuff. It would become addictive, and spread like wildfire, in some situations. Then you get some rookie who loses a bunch of bets, and want to make his money back somehow....you know where those things can theoretically lead.

It's very reasonable why the NFL prohibits gambling on sports in a team situation/facility.

I completely get that angle. My problem is there are two elements to the Ridley and Williams suspensions-
A- gamble on NFL games vs non NFL games
B- gamble anywhere vs only at team facilities

Either gambling anywhere needs to be prohibited or bets on NFL games prohibited at team facilities but not sanctioned elsewhere.

That's not really realistic. The NFL is a league with lots of rules and teams also have rules. The NFL doesn't want gambling or even the appearance of gambling at their places of business. The flatly will not allow betting on actual NFL games for obvious reasons.

The NFL spends plenty of time going over rules with rookies. Ignorance is no excuse but these players all know the rules when it comes to gambling.

The NFL is actually being surprisingly soft with only 6 games when it's indefinite if it was actually on NFL games.

Fans weekly in season already come away with the game is rigged based on some of the calls. The NFL is protecting themselves with the rules.

Playing in the league is privilege not a right so whatever one thinks either work within the rules or find another job.

Maybe some players feel entitled to do whatever they like but, in this case they were stupid and made poor choices against policy and are now paying the price.

Hard to feel bad for Stupid.

I basically agree with you, except this small point. If they know the rules, which I suspect they do, it's more like, hard to feel bad for arrogant. You could of course argue it's stupid to be that arrogant about the gambling rules, knowing how serious the league is about it.... Semantics, I know. Just a slow Sunday....

[Pullo Vision]

The team facility rule makes perfect sense. The last thing they want is guys in the weight room, or lunch room, lounge etc. gambling, and getting others into it etc. It would incentivize all kinds of bad stuff. It would become addictive, and spread like wildfire, in some situations. Then you get some rookie who loses a bunch of bets, and want to make his money back somehow....you know where those things can theoretically lead.

It's very reasonable why the NFL prohibits gambling on sports in a team situation/facility.

I completely get that angle. My problem is there are two elements to the Ridley and Williams suspensions-
A- gamble on NFL games vs non NFL games
B- gamble anywhere vs only at team facilities

Either gambling anywhere needs to be prohibited or bets on NFL games prohibited at team facilities but not sanctioned elsewhere.

That's not really realistic. The NFL is a league with lots of rules and teams also have rules. The NFL doesn't want gambling or even the appearance of gambling at their places of business. The league will not allow players or staff betting on actual NFL games for obvious reasons.

I gave 2 options-
1- prohibit players from betting on anything no matter where the player is
2- prohibit players from betting ONLY when they're at a team's/league's facility

Which one are you saying you think is unrealistic?

[FantasyFreak]

I completely get that angle. My problem is there are two elements to the Ridley and Williams suspensions-
A- gamble on NFL games vs non NFL games
B- gamble anywhere vs only at team facilities

Either gambling anywhere needs to be prohibited or bets on NFL games prohibited at team facilities but not sanctioned elsewhere.

That's not really realistic. The NFL is a league with lots of rules and teams also have rules. The NFL doesn't want gambling or even the appearance of gambling at their places of business. The league will not allow players or staff betting on actual NFL games for obvious reasons.

I gave 2 options-
1- prohibit players from betting on anything no matter where the player is
2- prohibit players from betting ONLY when they're at a team's/league's facility

Which one are you saying you think is unrealistic?

Obviously it's not realistic to have players betting on NFL games at any point, but gambling on sports at the team facility is easier to police by the league, and also, it's a good idea because it prevents group style gambling which can happen socially and develop bad habits that trend in directions that would be bad for the league, like players racking up debt, and taking bribes to miss blocks etc. to make some money back, or even just having a gambling problem that could have been avoided.

It's also a justifiable rule because the NFL is a job, and when you are at the team facility, it is considered work. So they are basically saying, you can't gamble at work, but you can on your personal time. Just like an office job may state you can't browse the internet at work, but they aren't preventing you from doing at home, that would be unreasonable.

[Ice]

That's not really realistic. The NFL is a league with lots of rules and teams also have rules. The NFL doesn't want gambling or even the appearance of gambling at their places of business. The league will not allow players or staff betting on actual NFL games for obvious reasons.

I gave 2 options-
1- prohibit players from betting on anything no matter where the player is
2- prohibit players from betting ONLY when they're at a team's/league's facility

Which one are you saying you think is unrealistic?

Obviously it's not realistic to have players betting on NFL games at any point, but gambling on sports at the team facility is easier to police by the league, and also, it's a good idea because it prevents group style gambling which can happen socially and develop bad habits that trend in directions that would be bad for the league, like players racking up debt, and taking bribes to miss blocks etc. to make some money back, or even just having a gambling problem that could have been avoided.

It's also a justifiable rule because the NFL is a job, and when you are at the team facility, it is considered work. So they are basically saying, you can't gamble at work, but you can on your personal time. Just like an office job may state you can't browse the internet at work, but they aren't preventing you from doing at home, that would be unreasonable.

Agree on the workplace which I guess wasn't clear. Most companies won't even let you log onto a fantasy football site at work or on a work computer away from home these days much less a porn site or gambling site which would probably get you fired.

Companies IT departments track usage all the time as a standard practice these days.

[ericanadian]

I gave 2 options-
1- prohibit players from betting on anything no matter where the player is
2- prohibit players from betting ONLY when they're at a team's/league's facility

Which one are you saying you think is unrealistic?

Obviously it's not realistic to have players betting on NFL games at any point, but gambling on sports at the team facility is easier to police by the league, and also, it's a good idea because it prevents group style gambling which can happen socially and develop bad habits that trend in directions that would be bad for the league, like players racking up debt, and taking bribes to miss blocks etc. to make some money back, or even just having a gambling problem that could have been avoided.

It's also a justifiable rule because the NFL is a job, and when you are at the team facility, it is considered work. So they are basically saying, you can't gamble at work, but you can on your personal time. Just like an office job may state you can't browse the internet at work, but they aren't preventing you from doing at home, that would be unreasonable.

Agree on the workplace which I guess wasn't clear. Most companies won't even let you log onto a fantasy football site at work or on a work computer away from home these days much less a porn site or gambling site which would probably get you fired.

Companies IT departments track usage all the time as a standard practice these days.

As you stated, most companies would block the sites. If these guys were doing online gambling via the team wifi, that’s a pretty bad look for the Lions. Hire better IT guys.

To me this looks like a group of guys betting with one another. While I don’t know the dollars involved, I can understand a team not wanting something like this operating at their facility.

[Ice]

Obviously it's not realistic to have players betting on NFL games at any point, but gambling on sports at the team facility is easier to police by the league, and also, it's a good idea because it prevents group style gambling which can happen socially and develop bad habits that trend in directions that would be bad for the league, like players racking up debt, and taking bribes to miss blocks etc. to make some money back, or even just having a gambling problem that could have been avoided.

It's also a justifiable rule because the NFL is a job, and when you are at the team facility, it is considered work. So they are basically saying, you can't gamble at work, but you can on your personal time. Just like an office job may state you can't browse the internet at work, but they aren't preventing you from doing at home, that would be unreasonable.

Agree on the workplace which I guess wasn't clear. Most companies won't even let you log onto a fantasy football site at work or on a work computer away from home these days much less a porn site or gambling site which would probably get you fired.

Companies IT departments track usage all the time as a standard practice these days.

As you stated, most companies would block the sites. If these guys were doing online gambling via the team wifi, that’s a pretty bad look for the Lions. Hire better IT guys.

To me this looks like a group of guys betting with one another. While I don’t know the dollars involved, I can understand a team not wanting something like this operating at their facility.

Very Good Point!

[Pullo Vision]

I gave 2 options-
1- prohibit players from betting on anything no matter where the player is
2- prohibit players from betting ONLY when they're at a team's/league's facility

Which one are you saying you think is unrealistic?

Obviously it's not realistic to have players betting on NFL games at any point, but gambling on sports at the team facility is easier to police by the league, and also, it's a good idea because it prevents group style gambling which can happen socially and develop bad habits that trend in directions that would be bad for the league, like players racking up debt, and taking bribes to miss blocks etc. to make some money back, or even just having a gambling problem that could have been avoided.

It's also a justifiable rule because the NFL is a job, and when you are at the team facility, it is considered work. So they are basically saying, you can't gamble at work, but you can on your personal time. Just like an office job may state you can't browse the internet at work, but they aren't preventing you from doing at home, that would be unreasonable.

Agree on the workplace which I guess wasn't clear. Most companies won't even let you log onto a fantasy football site at work or on a work computer away from home these days much less a porn site or gambling site which would probably get you fired.

Companies IT departments track usage all the time as a standard practice these days.

I gave 2 options, but status quo is a potential third choice-
1- prohibit players from betting on anything no matter where the player is
2- prohibit players from betting ONLY when they're at a team's/league's facility
3- prohibit players from betting on NFL games wherever they are, AND prohibit them from betting on non NFL games at team facilities

It sounds like you're opposed to option 2. Option 1 closes the weird loophole that currently exists, when non NFL betting can be a sort of gateway drug to NFL betting. It sounds like that'd align with your thoughts.

I really want to hear a defense for the current haphazard system, where the league's view of your betting depends BOTH on what sport AND where you are when you bet.

As an aside, it seems the rule about non NFL betting is if you're at team facilities, not using team provided WiFi. I'd imagine a person could, for instance, be in the lobby or parking lot of the training facility, using their cell provider's data plan and violate the guidelines.

[Ice]

Obviously it's not realistic to have players betting on NFL games at any point, but gambling on sports at the team facility is easier to police by the league, and also, it's a good idea because it prevents group style gambling which can happen socially and develop bad habits that trend in directions that would be bad for the league, like players racking up debt, and taking bribes to miss blocks etc. to make some money back, or even just having a gambling problem that could have been avoided.

It's also a justifiable rule because the NFL is a job, and when you are at the team facility, it is considered work. So they are basically saying, you can't gamble at work, but you can on your personal time. Just like an office job may state you can't browse the internet at work, but they aren't preventing you from doing at home, that would be unreasonable.

Agree on the workplace which I guess wasn't clear. Most companies won't even let you log onto a fantasy football site at work or on a work computer away from home these days much less a porn site or gambling site which would probably get you fired.

Companies IT departments track usage all the time as a standard practice these days.

I gave 2 options, but status quo is a potential third choice-
1- prohibit players from betting on anything no matter where the player is
2- prohibit players from betting ONLY when they're at a team's/league's facility
3- prohibit players from betting on NFL games wherever they are, AND prohibit them from betting on non NFL games at team facilities

It sounds like you're opposed to option 2. Option 1 closes the weird loophole that currently exists, when non NFL betting can be a sort of gateway drug to NFL betting. It sounds like that'd align with your thoughts.

I really want to hear a defense for the current haphazard system, where the league's view of your betting depends BOTH on what sport AND where you are when you bet.

As an aside, it seems the rule about non NFL betting is if you're at team facilities, not using team provided WiFi. I'd imagine a person could, for instance, be in the lobby or parking lot of the training facility, using their cell provider's data plan and violate the guidelines.

It is not that I am opposed to any option in particular. The reality is the teams and League have known rules about gambling and hold meetings about it annually.

Gambling of any kind at a team’s facility is prohibited. These players were caught gambling thus the punishment.

The parking lot and lobby are on property thus part of the facility, Obviously this rule is taken seriously and is costing some players their jobs and others a suspension.

[Kurt G.O.A.T.]

I don't know what's worse, not knowing the rule or knowing the rule but doing it anyway. I can't believe I drafted this guy everywhere.

[mild]

I don't know what's worse, not knowing the rule or knowing the rule but doing it anyway. I can't believe I drafted this guy everywhere.

Don't worry, he's still probably one of the fastest players in the league.

I sent an immediate offering of the 1.10 to his owner in my main league.

To be clear: this was an act of aggression, I know how high he is on him

[yinzername]

Let’s hear some buy/sell stories since the news. I’m looking to make an offer on my tanker squad. Thinking about trying to ship MAndrews for Jamo and a pick upgrade

[Pullo Vision]

Let’s hear some buy/sell stories since the news. I’m looking to make an offer on my tanker squad. Thinking about trying to ship MAndrews for Jamo and a pick upgrade

Jameson is a great buy for rebuilders/tankers. He's a great way to shift productive value to unproductive value during his suspension. At a minimum, I'd expect a value increase right before his suspension is to end. Whether you sell at that point is dealer's choice.