2023 Combine

[tstafford]

There's a little bit of prospect fatigue in terms of remembering just how ridiculously elite JSN was in 2021.

Why do you think the dynasty community is so diverged from the NFL scouting community on JSN? From what I've seen the scouting community is luke-warm on him. A first round player but not typically rated as a top-10 guy and not the first or second WR off the board. This is pretty different from what I generally see from dynasty folks who seem to think he is pretty clearly a top-3 rookie pick.

I'm in no way a JSN hater. But I'm wondering if we are trying to make him in to something he isn't. The NFL draft guys get a lot wrong but a lot right as well. JSN went ahead of Drake London in my mixed rookie/devy league last year. That (mildly) surprised me then and, at least for my money, I'd still rather have London.

I guess we'll know more once the draft actually happens. I'm one of those guys that cares quite a bit what happens when teams need to put their money where the mouths are with actual picks. NFL draft results are important to me re: dynasty rookie picks.

The NFL is thinking about more positions than just 4. They have to consider the entire range of defense options, as well as the offensive line. If you filter NFL mock drafts by positions relevant for most fantasy leagues, and compare those against SF mocks, the slotting for JSN is roughly equal. If anything, Bijan would stand out more than JSN, but we know why he's valued so high.

Of course they are. That's not what I was getting at. This is an historically weak draft class overall (NFL perspective not dynasty, although it's bad for dynasty too IMHO). And in an otherwise weak class NFL isn't all over JSN. However a lot of dynasty folks have him as an elite (projected top-12) WR. Usually for that to be the case the player would be a top-10 or even top-5 NFL pick (in a good year).

Again I hope JSN is all that. But I still have a little sense there is a disconnect. On the plus side I think JSN did himself some good yesterday. Showed well. Speed isn't everything as long as it's enough.

[tstafford]

Mayer testing exactly like he looked this year.... as if he weighs 300 pounds.
40 - 4.72
Vert - 32.5
Broad - 9'10

Hmm, not ideal but that’s not that bad for a guy who had athleticism questions. Could have been worse?

Yeah. That's the thing. The combine is like the worst case for Mayer. His tape is great. NFL teams are going to love him. However it may not translate in to fantasy production. I see Todd Heap not Gronk. And Todd Heap was a great NFL player.

[BabyChark23]

Why do you think the dynasty community is so diverged from the NFL scouting community on JSN? From what I've seen the scouting community is luke-warm on him. A first round player but not typically rated as a top-10 guy and not the first or second WR off the board. This is pretty different from what I generally see from dynasty folks who seem to think he is pretty clearly a top-3 rookie pick.

I'm in no way a JSN hater. But I'm wondering if we are trying to make him in to something he isn't. The NFL draft guys get a lot wrong but a lot right as well. JSN went ahead of Drake London in my mixed rookie/devy league last year. That (mildly) surprised me then and, at least for my money, I'd still rather have London.

I guess we'll know more once the draft actually happens. I'm one of those guys that cares quite a bit what happens when teams need to put their money where the mouths are with actual picks. NFL draft results are important to me re: dynasty rookie picks.

The NFL is thinking about more positions than just 4. They have to consider the entire range of defense options, as well as the offensive line. If you filter NFL mock drafts by positions relevant for most fantasy leagues, and compare those against SF mocks, the slotting for JSN is roughly equal. If anything, Bijan would stand out more than JSN, but we know why he's valued so high.

This is an historically weak draft class overall (NFL perspective

What makes you think this? Not trying to be sarcastic, genuinely curious why you think the NFL is low on this class.

[Cameron Giles]

JSN: 6'0, 196, 35 vert, 10'05" broad jump, 3.93 shuttle
Olave: 6'0, 187, 32 vert, 10'04" broad jump
Wilson: 5'11, 183, 36 vert, 10'03" broad jump, 4.36 shuttle

Olave and Wilson skipped agility drills. JSN skips 40.

[Ice]

JSN: 6'0, 196, 35 vert, 10'05" broad jump, 3.93 shuttle
Olave: 6'0, 187, 32 vert, 10'04" broad jump
Wilson: 5'11, 183, 36 vert, 10'03" broad jump, 4.36 shuttle

Olave and Wilson skipped agility drills. JSN skips 40.

That is an impressive shuttle time He will be very tough to cover in the NFL. Teams will move him up due to that number or at least it is solid confirmation of his game tape. Great drill to show quickness and lateral change of direction.

[jenkins.math]

JSN: 6'0, 196, 35 vert, 10'05" broad jump, 3.93 shuttle
Olave: 6'0, 187, 32 vert, 10'04" broad jump
Wilson: 5'11, 183, 36 vert, 10'03" broad jump, 4.36 shuttle

Olave and Wilson skipped agility drills. JSN skips 40.

That is an impressive shuttle time He will be very tough to cover in the NFL. Teams will move him up due to that number or at least it is solid confirmation of his game tape. Great drill to show quickness and lateral change of direction.

I had him and Addison as the top 2 WRs. I’ve moved JSN ahead of Addison with his combine and Addison measuring below 6’.

[Lumps]

The NFL is thinking about more positions than just 4. They have to consider the entire range of defense options, as well as the offensive line. If you filter NFL mock drafts by positions relevant for most fantasy leagues, and compare those against SF mocks, the slotting for JSN is roughly equal. If anything, Bijan would stand out more than JSN, but we know why he's valued so high.

This is an historically weak draft class overall (NFL perspective

What makes you think this? Not trying to be sarcastic, genuinely curious why you think the NFL is low on this class.

I've heard it said there are only 3 blue chip prospects in this class... and one of them is a RB. From the NFL perspective and what is valuable to them this class isn't stacked with blue chips: QB, OT, EDGE, CB, WR

[BabyChark23]

This is an historically weak draft class overall (NFL perspective

What makes you think this? Not trying to be sarcastic, genuinely curious why you think the NFL is low on this class.

I've heard it said there are only 3 blue chip prospects in this class... and one of them is a RB. From the NFL perspective and what is valuable to them this class isn't stacked with blue chips: QB, OT, EDGE, CB, WR

I’d agree with you on WR, but I disagree about EDGE. PFF currently has 13 EDGE ranked in their top 50.

[tstafford]

This is an historically weak draft class overall (NFL perspective

What makes you think this? Not trying to be sarcastic, genuinely curious why you think the NFL is low on this class.

I've heard it said there are only 3 blue chip prospects in this class... and one of them is a RB. From the NFL perspective and what is valuable to them this class isn't stacked with blue chips: QB, OT, EDGE, CB, WR

Yeah. As an example McShay said he only has a first round grade on like eight prospects (or something along those lines). It's just not a great class. It's deep at RB but that isn't going to generate a lot of first round grades (obviously).

[Lumps]

What makes you think this? Not trying to be sarcastic, genuinely curious why you think the NFL is low on this class.

I've heard it said there are only 3 blue chip prospects in this class... and one of them is a RB. From the NFL perspective and what is valuable to them this class isn't stacked with blue chips: QB, OT, EDGE, CB, WR

I’d agree with you on WR, but I disagree about EDGE. PFF currently has 13 EDGE ranked in their top 50.

Right, but I'm pretty sure it was Renner (PFF) that said that about 3 blue chips. It's Carter, Anderson Jr., and Bijan. Just because there are EDGEs in the top 50 doesn't mean they are blue chips. When making a list of top 50.... SOMEONE has to go there.

[BabyChark23]

I've heard it said there are only 3 blue chip prospects in this class... and one of them is a RB. From the NFL perspective and what is valuable to them this class isn't stacked with blue chips: QB, OT, EDGE, CB, WR

I’d agree with you on WR, but I disagree about EDGE. PFF currently has 13 EDGE ranked in their top 50.

Right, but I'm pretty sure it was Renner (PFF) that said that about 3 blue chips. It's Carter, Anderson Jr., and Bijan. Just because there are EDGEs in the top 50 doesn't mean they are blue chips. When making a list of top 50.... SOMEONE has to go there.

How many blue chip players do you expect in the average class?

[alewilliam789]

I love hearing about this strain and that strain from everyone. Could be an injury, but if your hurt just don’t freaking run and go to your freaking pro-day.

[wickerkat1212]

JSN: 6'0, 196, 35 vert, 10'05" broad jump, 3.93 shuttle
Olave: 6'0, 187, 32 vert, 10'04" broad jump
Wilson: 5'11, 183, 36 vert, 10'03" broad jump, 4.36 shuttle

Olave and Wilson skipped agility drills. JSN skips 40.

I've been big on JSN since forever. Dammit, I just traded away any picks that could get me shares of him. Looks like I'll have to find a way to trade back in.

[Orenthal Shames]

Gibbs at 5'9 199lbs

[MacDaddy123]

Gibbs at 5'9 199lbs

IMO, that is better than his previous measurements of 5'11" 200lbs