I'm essentially in sync with that.
Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
I'm essentially in sync with that.
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WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
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RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
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QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
You guys are more or less in line with KeepTradeCut at the top, except you're pumping some of the later guys a bit higher than consensus.
https://keeptradecut.com/dynasty-rankin ... filters=QB
Tier 1: Mahomes, Allen
Tier 2: Hurts, Burrow, Herbert
Tier 3: Lamar, Fields, Lawrence
Tier 4: Tua
Tier 7: Kyler, Watson, Dak
(the jump to Tier 7 is because they're tier-grouped with other player positions, which suggests there is a large wasteland in relative value after that Lamar/Fields/Lawrence/Tua group)
Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
Any that’s the fallacy really with keep trade cut. People want to be low on someone like Dak, however… in a 2QB/Superflex league you’d be bananas imo to trade Dak for Drake London 1 for 1 yet they’re near equivalent values in there. QBs in a vaccuum are easy for KTC to evaluate, their actual value when they’re on your roster and you have true positional security for 5+ years is hard to quantify.mild wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:24 pmYou guys are more or less in line with KeepTradeCut at the top, except you're pumping some of the later guys a bit higher than consensus.
https://keeptradecut.com/dynasty-rankin ... filters=QB
Tier 1: Mahomes, Allen
Tier 2: Hurts, Burrow, Herbert
Tier 3: Lamar, Fields, Lawrence
Tier 4: Tua
Tier 7: Kyler, Watson, Dak
(the jump to Tier 7 is because they're tier-grouped with other player positions, which suggests there is a large wasteland in relative value after that Lamar/Fields/Lawrence/Tua group)
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Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
I'd take Dak over Tua any day. Tua is being propped up by elite WR's and I don't like his long term outlook talent wise or injury wise. He's a solid NFL QB with a major injury history and really good OC and arguably the best 1/2 combo in the league at WR. Dak isn't great, but It trust his floor a lot more, and I've seen his ceiling.mild wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:24 pmYou guys are more or less in line with KeepTradeCut at the top, except you're pumping some of the later guys a bit higher than consensus.
https://keeptradecut.com/dynasty-rankin ... filters=QB
Tier 1: Mahomes, Allen
Tier 2: Hurts, Burrow, Herbert
Tier 3: Lamar, Fields, Lawrence
Tier 4: Tua
Tier 7: Kyler, Watson, Dak
(the jump to Tier 7 is because they're tier-grouped with other player positions, which suggests there is a large wasteland in relative value after that Lamar/Fields/Lawrence/Tua group)
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Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
Just remember guys... even if Jalen Hurts advances... a rushing QB will NEVER win the Superbowl!
Not gonna happen, just trust me...
Not gonna happen, just trust me...
Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
Steve Young.
Go look him up.
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Both teams 16 tm 1/3 ppr idp
QB, RB, 2WR, TE, 2Flex, K, 2DL, 2LB, 2DB, 2 Flex
Phoenix Park Suns
QB - Hurts, Darnold, Minshew, Zappe, O'Connell
RB - Ekeler, Conner, Edwards, Strong, McLaughlin, Brooks, Prince
WR - Adams, Tyreek Hill, Deebo Samuel, Zay Jones, M. Thomas, Downs
TE - Goedert, Bellinger
PK - Sanders
DL - Garrett, Paye, Madubuike, Judon
LB - Franklin, Mosley, Edmunds, J. Davis, Bernard, Jack, Mapu, Vander Esch
DB - Metellus, Branch
2024 Picks: 1.14, 2.05 , 2.14, 3.05, 3.14, 6.14
Serenity Valley Browncoats
QB - RWilson, O'Connell, Lance, Darnold, Hooker, Stidham
RB - Stevenson, RWhite, Ford, Herbert, Hunt, CEH, McIntosh, Brooks
WR - Adams, Collins, Rice, GDavis, NBrown, Dortch, Tillman
TE - Higbee, Allen, Graham
PK - Fairbairn
DL - Madubuike, Paye, Ebukam, Will Anderson
LB - Kendricks, Pratt, DWhite, Holcombe, Baker, Alexander, TAndersen, Jack
DB - Blackmon, Brisker, Stingley
- 2024 Picks: 1.13, 3.13
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QB, RB, 2WR, TE, 2Flex, K, 2DL, 2LB, 2DB, 2 Flex
Phoenix Park Suns
QB - Hurts, Darnold, Minshew, Zappe, O'Connell
RB - Ekeler, Conner, Edwards, Strong, McLaughlin, Brooks, Prince
WR - Adams, Tyreek Hill, Deebo Samuel, Zay Jones, M. Thomas, Downs
TE - Goedert, Bellinger
PK - Sanders
DL - Garrett, Paye, Madubuike, Judon
LB - Franklin, Mosley, Edmunds, J. Davis, Bernard, Jack, Mapu, Vander Esch
DB - Metellus, Branch
2024 Picks: 1.14, 2.05 , 2.14, 3.05, 3.14, 6.14
Serenity Valley Browncoats
QB - RWilson, O'Connell, Lance, Darnold, Hooker, Stidham
RB - Stevenson, RWhite, Ford, Herbert, Hunt, CEH, McIntosh, Brooks
WR - Adams, Collins, Rice, GDavis, NBrown, Dortch, Tillman
TE - Higbee, Allen, Graham
PK - Fairbairn
DL - Madubuike, Paye, Ebukam, Will Anderson
LB - Kendricks, Pratt, DWhite, Holcombe, Baker, Alexander, TAndersen, Jack
DB - Blackmon, Brisker, Stingley
- 2024 Picks: 1.13, 3.13
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Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
Mahomes/Allen/Burrow
Herbert/Hurts/Lawrence
Lamar/Tua/Dak
Kyler/Fields
CONTENTION 2
QB - D.Prescott, J.Hurts
RB - J.Jacobs, C-Patt, JRob, BRob, D.Pierce, TDP, H.Haskins
WR - Ceedee, J.Jefferson, JuJu, A.Pierce, Meyers, NWI
TE - M.Andrews, Brevin, J.Woods, L.Thomas
Defense: Cowboys/Viks
CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH
QB - Mahomes, Cousins, Love, Mond, Rush, M.White, Strong
RB - C-Patt, Singletary, K.Herbert, Foreman, Hubbard, Lindsay
WR - Lockett, Hollywood, OBJ, Golladay, AJG, Hardman, Meyers, Osborn, ISM
TE - Kelsey, Ertz, G.Everett, Bryant
Taxi - BRob, TDP, Ingram, A.Smith, K.Phillips, Metchie, Shakir, Tolbert, Thorton, J.Woods, S.Thompson
ALL THE MARBLES
QB - TB12, J.Hurts, Stafford
RB - Ekeler, Zeke, C-Patt, Mack, Rhamondre, BRob, R.White, Foreman
WR - AJ Brown, London, Watson, A.Pierce, Burks, OBJ, Golladay, Amon-Ra, Marshall
TE - Gronk, T.Higbee, D.Arnold, Ebron
Defense: Bills/Saints
QB - D.Prescott, J.Hurts
RB - J.Jacobs, C-Patt, JRob, BRob, D.Pierce, TDP, H.Haskins
WR - Ceedee, J.Jefferson, JuJu, A.Pierce, Meyers, NWI
TE - M.Andrews, Brevin, J.Woods, L.Thomas
Defense: Cowboys/Viks
CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH
QB - Mahomes, Cousins, Love, Mond, Rush, M.White, Strong
RB - C-Patt, Singletary, K.Herbert, Foreman, Hubbard, Lindsay
WR - Lockett, Hollywood, OBJ, Golladay, AJG, Hardman, Meyers, Osborn, ISM
TE - Kelsey, Ertz, G.Everett, Bryant
Taxi - BRob, TDP, Ingram, A.Smith, K.Phillips, Metchie, Shakir, Tolbert, Thorton, J.Woods, S.Thompson
ALL THE MARBLES
QB - TB12, J.Hurts, Stafford
RB - Ekeler, Zeke, C-Patt, Mack, Rhamondre, BRob, R.White, Foreman
WR - AJ Brown, London, Watson, A.Pierce, Burks, OBJ, Golladay, Amon-Ra, Marshall
TE - Gronk, T.Higbee, D.Arnold, Ebron
Defense: Bills/Saints
Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
Nice. Sounds promising.
I was just tweaking the "you can't win a Superbowl with a rushing QB" crowd. They've been a little quiet, no?
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Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
You have guys like Dak who were late-round rookie picks or FA additions, but the ROI Hurts has returned has been massive for dynasty owners who scooped him in the late 2nd or 3rd round of rookie drafts.
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Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
it kills me. Drafted Hurts in the 5th round of our rookie draft that year, sold him for a 2nd right before he blew up smh
12 man IDP 0.5 ppr
QB(1): Geno Smith
RB(2): ETN/Walker III
WR(2): Chase/Lamb
TE(1): Goedert
FLEX(2): Stevenson/Garrett Wilson
K: Mcpherson
DL(2): T. Walker/Vea
LB(2): D. Long/TJ Edwards
DB(2) Dugger/Moehrig
FLEX: Kenneth Murray
IR: J. Hicks/Milano/Marcus Jones
Bench:
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RB: Zeke/D. Harris
WR: N. Brown/Demario Douglas/Bobby Trees/Parker/Tyler Scott
TE: Bellinger/Schultz
DL: Barrett/J. Davis/Yannick/
LB: Milano/Edwards/K. Murray/J. Smith
DB: Mathieu/Jonothan Owens
QB(1): Geno Smith
RB(2): ETN/Walker III
WR(2): Chase/Lamb
TE(1): Goedert
FLEX(2): Stevenson/Garrett Wilson
K: Mcpherson
DL(2): T. Walker/Vea
LB(2): D. Long/TJ Edwards
DB(2) Dugger/Moehrig
FLEX: Kenneth Murray
IR: J. Hicks/Milano/Marcus Jones
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WR: N. Brown/Demario Douglas/Bobby Trees/Parker/Tyler Scott
TE: Bellinger/Schultz
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DB: Mathieu/Jonothan Owens
Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
Ouch. That's rough.ThunderTung wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:25 am it kills me. Drafted Hurts in the 5th round of our rookie draft that year, sold him for a 2nd right before he blew up smh
The scary thing about Hurts is that he just has so much room to grow as a passer. That team is going to have challenges when they pay Hurts and it'll be interesting to see which weapons they keep around him. If I'm PHI, I'd invest in current WR/TEs and then just cheap out on RB forever.
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RB: Zamir White, James Conner, Trey Benson, Jaylen Warren, Will Shipley
WR: Michael Pittman, Puka Nacua, Drake London, Christian Kirk, Josh Palmer
TE: Trey McBride, Jake Ferguson, Noah Gray
PK: Justin Tucker, Jason Myers
DT: Grover Stewart, Devonte Wyatt
DE: Alex Highsmith, Jonathan Cooper, Gregory Rousseau, Matt Judon, Baron Browning
LB: Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw, Ernest Jones, Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell
CB: L'Jarius Sneed, Deommodore Lenoir, Taron Johnson
S: Derwin James, Talanoa Hufanga, Kareem Jackson
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QB: Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence
RB: Zamir White, James Conner, Trey Benson, Jaylen Warren, Will Shipley
WR: Michael Pittman, Puka Nacua, Drake London, Christian Kirk, Josh Palmer
TE: Trey McBride, Jake Ferguson, Noah Gray
PK: Justin Tucker, Jason Myers
DT: Grover Stewart, Devonte Wyatt
DE: Alex Highsmith, Jonathan Cooper, Gregory Rousseau, Matt Judon, Baron Browning
LB: Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw, Ernest Jones, Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell
CB: L'Jarius Sneed, Deommodore Lenoir, Taron Johnson
S: Derwin James, Talanoa Hufanga, Kareem Jackson
DEVY: RB Nick Singleton PSU
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Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
If only there was a thread on this forum where people were saying positive things about how good of a fantasy QB he could be, and how if the arm ever even-slightly caught up with the legs... alas.ThunderTung wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:25 am it kills me. Drafted Hurts in the 5th round of our rookie draft that year, sold him for a 2nd right before he blew up smh
Nope.Needalife wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:39 am The scary thing about Hurts is that he just has so much room to grow as a passer. That team is going to have challenges when they pay Hurts and it'll be interesting to see which weapons they keep around him. If I'm PHI, I'd invest in current WR/TEs and then just cheap out on RB forever.
The scary thing is that his weapons are already locked in until 2024 for Devonta Smith (I believe he might have a 2025 option), 2027 for AJ Brown (his entire prime), and 2026 for Dallas Goedart (but with contractual control until 2028 from the looks thanks to fake contract years).
Say it with me now: Howie Roseman is 9 steps ahead of you.
The scary thing is that the Eagles have the 10th overall pick this year along with their own pick in the 30's.
The scary thing is that this team is already built, and that Jalen will continue to grow with the entire core for at least the next 3-4 seasons.
If you want to talk OL talent, then sure - a couple of those pieces are getting older. But weapon wise, it's locked in. This was year 1 of the AJB / Slim Reaper / Goedart / Jalen Hurts lineup. I'm excited to see what happens for them in year 2... 3... 4...
God help the league if Howie hits again on an offensive superstar with #10 or #31. (Bijan, Gibbs...?)
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Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
I think they are going to invest in defense in the draft. They need to replace Cox and BG, and could look at shoring up safety/LB as well.
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QB: Hurts, Dobbs, Lance, Huntley, Bagent
RB: Swift, Kamara, Sanders, K. Mitchell, Foreman, CEH, Dowdle, Demercado
WR: Lamb, AJB, DK, Hollywood, Jakobi, Lazard, Boyd, Shaheed, Douglas
TE: Chig, Juwan, Conklin, Taysom, Smythe
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QB: Richardson, Pickett, Mayfield
RB: Achane, E Mitchell, Demercado
WR: Chase, Addison, QJ, J Palmer, Wan'Dale, Claypool, Douglas, Metchie
TE: Kittle, Mayer, Otton, Ferguson
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QB: Hurts, Dobbs, Lance, Huntley, Bagent
RB: Swift, Kamara, Sanders, K. Mitchell, Foreman, CEH, Dowdle, Demercado
WR: Lamb, AJB, DK, Hollywood, Jakobi, Lazard, Boyd, Shaheed, Douglas
TE: Chig, Juwan, Conklin, Taysom, Smythe
Picks: 3 2024 2nds
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RB: Achane, E Mitchell, Demercado
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Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
Now Hurts has not really been much of a rushing QB since he came back from that shoulder injury in Chicago.
I think that shoulder is worse than most folks realize.
Maybe have off-season shoulder surgery like Justin Herbert.
I wouldn't be surprised.
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Re: Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?
Eagles always invest in lineman, and have age on both sides of the ball.seahawks506 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:50 pm I think they are going to invest in defense in the draft. They need to replace Cox and BG, and could look at shoring up safety/LB as well.
Kelce, Lane Johnson getting older on the OLine, and Cox, BG on the DLine.
As for the 1st round picks, probably go lineman or CB, as Eagles do not value LB, RB, TE, S enough to use 1st round draft capital.
2nd is as high as they will go for those positions.
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