Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

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Toney?
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Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby hockeyBjj » Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:46 pm

Got offered my own 2nd back in a 10 team rebuild for Kadarius Toney. Take it? Or keep Toney on the chiefs as he’s only 23 and they traded a 3rd and 6th for him?
Team 1- 10 team ppr, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flx, 1D, 1K
2022: 1-8
Finishes: 6th, 6th, 1st, 5th, 6th, 9th
QB: Lamar Jackson, Purdy
RB: Bijan, Dobbins, Achane, Charbonnet, Algier, McBride, waiver trash
WR: JSN, QJ, Addison, Dotson, Skyy Moore, Jameson Williams, Hyatt, T Dell, Boutte, Skowronek, Quez Watkins, Greg Dortch, waiver trash
TE: Hockenson, F Monroe, Juwan, Musgrave
D/K: Patriots, Vikings, Saints, Dicker

picks-
2024- 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,5,5
2025 1,1,1,2,3,4,5

team 2- 12 team SF, .5PPR, .5TE boost, 1QB, 1SF, 2 RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
2022: 8-1
Finishes: 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd :wall:
QB: Ljax, GenoD Jones, Minshew, Dobbs
RB: CMC, Stevenson, A Jones, Chubb, A Mattison, D cook, Perine, Mckinnon,
WR:Tyreek, Diggs, C Kupp, D Adams, Keenan Allen, Lockett, Gallup, A Lazard, Hodgins
TE: Kelce, LaPorta, Irv Smith,
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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby Gator Sens » Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:15 pm

Take the early 2nd. Toney can't stay healthy.

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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby BabyChark23 » Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:44 pm

I’d smash accept that offer so fast…

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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby sloth8u » Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:05 pm

id take it aswell. loved toney comming out and drafted him in quite a few leagues....but for that early 2nd, id take it. definition of diva wr....and im just ready to move on. i still do think there is big potential, but a top 15 pick for him is worth letting go imo with what we have seen so far.

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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby Cherokee » Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:01 am

Every time he finishes a game healthy, that window is open .
Just get it over with since we don't know how many more times it'll happen. This is a fine cash out
12 Team 1QB IDP Full PPR Start 8
QB- Kenny Pickett, Jake Haener, Clayton Tune
RB- Jerrick McKinnon, Elijah Mitchell, Gus Edwards, Kenneth Gainwell, TDP, Jordan Mason
WR- Rondale Moore, Drake London, Jordan Addison, Terrence Marshall , Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Mecole Hardman, Rashid Shaheed, David Bell
TE- Michael Mayer, Likely, Chig, Cade Otten
LB- Jewell, Deablo, Troy Anderson
DE- Phillips, Highsmith
DB- Brisker, Hufanga, Cine
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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby BigBawseRoss » Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:51 am

indifferent either way. 10 team and early 2nd likely gonna be a pretty good talent to be excited about, but toney is that already and is on a top offense with juju on a 1 year deal. holding bias over injury is a good way to get burned later on. we all agree toney is very good and on a top offense, we just dont like his constant injuries. we didnt like em with barkley or cmc either but now we love those guys again.
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp

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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby MarkoH97 » Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:18 am

Take the early second. You'll get your pick at around the same talent level of guys who are more robust. I like toney and was happy with the trade, but this new injury is making me feel like he's becoming a liability for fantasy owners.
Team 1: 12 Team Dynasty Superflex PPR 20 man Roster
QBs - Fields, Pickett
RBs - Brian Robinson, J. Kelly, Perine, Breida, Z. White, Edmonds
WRs - Pittman, Jameson Williams, Pickens, J. Palmer, Thielen, Q. Johnson (R), Valdes-Scantling, R. Rice (R), Metchie, T. Marshall
TEs - Hurst, Bellinger, Likely
Taxi Squad - Bennett (R), Abanikanda (R)
Picks - 2 24 firsts, 24 2nd, 24 3rd

Team 2: 12 Team Dynasty Superflex PPR 20 man Roster
QBs - Prescott, Lance, Watson, A. Richardson
RBs - Hall, Achane, Pollard, J. Cook, Perine, Hubbard, , Nwangwu
WRs - Jefferson, Higgins, London, Pickens, Dell, Claypool, B. Powell, Gallup, Metchie
TEs - Njoku, Smith, Likely
Taxi Squad -D. Davis, Jarrett
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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby kmbryant09 » Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:34 am

It's fair value, but I'd really prefer hanging onto Toney and seeing what he can do down the stretch in this offense.
10-team/.5 PPR/5 Pts per Passing TD. Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLEX (rb/wr/te)
QB: J. Hurts, K. Murray
RB: Bi. Robinson, D. Henry, D. Achane, , J. Cook, Z. Charbonnet, T. Chandler, R. Johnson, K. Mitchell, J.K. Dobbins, T. Allgeier, J. McLaughlin, S. Tucker, T. Bigsby
WR: G. Wilson, B. Aiyuk, J. Waddle, T. Higgins,, Z. Flowers, Di. Johnson, K. Toney, A. Iosivas
TE: K. Pitts, E. Engram, C. Okonkwo, G. Dulcich

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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby murphysxm » Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:00 am

I think I am firmly off the Toney rollercoaster, give me the pick
I am just a guy sharing some thoughts

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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby Beer Makes Me Smile » Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:37 am

Smash accept, Toney is a head case that can not stay healthy.

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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:47 am

BigBawseRoss wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:51 am indifferent either way. 10 team and early 2nd likely gonna be a pretty good talent to be excited about, but toney is that already and is on a top offense with juju on a 1 year deal. holding bias over injury is a good way to get burned later on. we all agree toney is very good and on a top offense, we just dont like his constant injuries. we didnt like em with barkley or cmc either but now we love those guys again.
I think his injuries remind me more of Miles Austin and Hakeem Nicks type injuries. That’s just speculation but Barkley and CMC had injuries that were a little easier to understand atleast. Toney just keeps pulling muscles and I don’t know what to make of it.

I’d take the pick but know it’s a highly variant play either way.
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr

11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)

Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White

Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez

Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo

Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker

24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5

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12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE

Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning

JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker

Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,

Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins


24 - 1st x 3, 2nd x 2, 4th x 3 ,5

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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby cvbuc » Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:55 am

Sometimes when a guy tells us who he is we have to pay attention.

A good coach in NY jettisoned him rather quickly.
The same soft tissue injuries on a weekly basis stunt his practice time and growth.

I'd rather have a solid pick in a deep draft to get a shot at more consistent production.
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QB - L. Jackson, Cousins
RB - Swift, Ekeler, K. Mitchell, A. Mattison, D. Foreman, C. Rodriguez, E. Mitchell, S, Tucker, J. Wilson
WR - Amon Ra, D. Smith, M. Pittman, DK Metcalf, Jayden Reed, D. Douglas, K. Shakir, D. Wicks, T. Tucker, T. Scott
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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby BigBawseRoss » Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:42 pm

SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:47 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:51 am indifferent either way. 10 team and early 2nd likely gonna be a pretty good talent to be excited about, but toney is that already and is on a top offense with juju on a 1 year deal. holding bias over injury is a good way to get burned later on. we all agree toney is very good and on a top offense, we just dont like his constant injuries. we didnt like em with barkley or cmc either but now we love those guys again.
I think his injuries remind me more of Miles Austin and Hakeem Nicks type injuries. That’s just speculation but Barkley and CMC had injuries that were a little easier to understand atleast. Toney just keeps pulling muscles and I don’t know what to make of it.

I’d take the pick but know it’s a highly variant play either way.
i wasnt relating the injuries themselves as much as the obvious talent and the opinions of the masses when these talents arent available due to injury. what if toney comes back in 2 weeks and ends the season on a high note and his value shoots up? opinions will change quick.
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp

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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:48 pm

BigBawseRoss wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:42 pm
SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:47 am
BigBawseRoss wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:51 am indifferent either way. 10 team and early 2nd likely gonna be a pretty good talent to be excited about, but toney is that already and is on a top offense with juju on a 1 year deal. holding bias over injury is a good way to get burned later on. we all agree toney is very good and on a top offense, we just dont like his constant injuries. we didnt like em with barkley or cmc either but now we love those guys again.
I think his injuries remind me more of Miles Austin and Hakeem Nicks type injuries. That’s just speculation but Barkley and CMC had injuries that were a little easier to understand atleast. Toney just keeps pulling muscles and I don’t know what to make of it.

I’d take the pick but know it’s a highly variant play either way.
i wasnt relating the injuries themselves as much as the obvious talent and the opinions of the masses when these talents arent available due to injury. what if toney comes back in 2 weeks and ends the season on a high note and his value shoots up? opinions will change quick.
That I totally agree with. Even this forum is insanely overreactive these days, imo. I know people get a value ding when out because they miss some amount of point contribution over the entirety of their careers. But these days it is all, “I’ll need an early first if I’m gonna trade for that injured player.” Sure, if it’s all situation that makes sense but talent is talent and acting like CMC and Barkley were suddenly worth a late 1st is crazy.

Back to Toney, if this was t such a coveted class maybe I hold him but I want to reset here. I think the 2.01 just holds a lot of value in a 10 man league this year. You are going to get a Toney level talent without the baggage, though maybe not the situation Toney has.
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr

11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)

Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White

Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez

Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo

Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker

24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5

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12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE

Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning

JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker

Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,

Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins


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Re: Kadarius Toney vs 2.1 or 2.2?

Postby Favrezilla » Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:42 am

Traded toney last offseason for two mid-late 2nds. Still feel great about it.
T.1 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex (13th year) ‘21&’22 champ
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Stafford,
RB: Mixon, Henry, zeke, Rochon
WR: Godwin, Olave, Deebo,DJM, Dell, MW, Doubs
TE: Kelce, Kmet, Musgrave

T.2 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (10th year)
QB: Burrow, Baker,Jameis, jimmy, Wentz,
RB: Saquon, Mixon, Rochon, Evans
WR: Pickens, QJ, Thielen, Arob, Juju, ODB, D. Parker, Osborn,
TE: Kincaid, Ertz, Freirmuth, Taysom, JWoods

T.3 - 12 team Superflex- 1xQB - 2xRB - 3xWR - 1xTE - 1xSFlex - 1xWRT Flex (3rd year) ‘21&’22 champ
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Winston, Darnald
RB: JT, Javonte,Sanders, JCook, Jamaal
WR: Godwin, Waddle, ARSB, Pittman, MW, Jameson, Zay, Claypool, Toney, Terrance
TE: Hock, Fant, McBride


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