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Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
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Re: Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
Per Reception Perception in 2021:
Lamb was tied 5th best in success beating double coverage.
14th for beating press coverage. One spot ahead of Cooper Kupp.
Lamb was tied 5th best in success beating double coverage.
14th for beating press coverage. One spot ahead of Cooper Kupp.
Re: Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
Yup still required some parsing to get useful information. But it's the only one I know of with "real time" updates
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Re: Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
FWIW, Lamb had an 80% success rate against press coverage as a rookie. So, I don't think you can say he hasn't shown that ability. I do not think that Lamb having bad target quality in Week 1 had much to do with double coverage, when the Cowboys offensive line was consistently getting killed by Tampa.MacDaddy123 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:59 pm
I have seen enough to know that Lamb is not a true Alpha.
Lamb is a Beat, who will actually perform better with a true WR1 on his team to draw away coverage.
Lamb has not shown the ability to beat press coverage or handle double coverage like Alpha WR1's are expected to do.
Week 1 game, with Dak playing, Lamb caught 2 of 11 targets.
6 targets were knocked away by defenders because Lamb could not create any separation for double teams.
Lamb was, and remains a solid WR2, but many think he can be better than that, they are wrong.
With Gallup and Cooper, Lamb saw more single coverage, which he is able to win in single coverage.
Javonte will improve if Russ can ever become the QB he used to be, and open up the offense.
As long as teams don't respect Wilson, and load the boxes, Javonte will struggle.
So, I don't get what you solved with the deal. You traded a productive player who's overvalued for a player who hasn't been as productive, but is also overvalued.The one thing that Javonte and Lamb have in common is that they are both over-rated.
I'd be more concerned about RBs who aren't living up to expectations than WRs who aren't living up to expectations. RBs get replaced a hell of a lot faster.
Re: Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
Ceedee Lamb about to go up to WR2 on KTC, cause thats what we do now days.
Re: Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
Over the weekend Lamb jumped 20 spots in fantasy, from WR44 to WR23. I have no doubts that he'll be a T12WR by week 6, and probably still climbing.
Buy him while you can. You'll have no one to blame but yourself, when you're drinking your regrets later.
Buy him while you can. You'll have no one to blame but yourself, when you're drinking your regrets later.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
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QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
Re: Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
I don't think many of his owners are selling or did sell him after 2 weeks just because people were down on him as the WR3
Re: Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
Agreed. I wasn't looking to sell. And in the leagues where I don't own him and wanted to add him, I couldn't get him.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
Re: Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
I offered DJM and Devonta Smith last week and was rejected. Owners still holding pretty tight, although DJM has lost some shine this season as well.
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1 Q / 2 RB / 2 WR / 1 TE / 1 SF / 3 F / 1 DT / 2 DE / 3 LB / 2 CB / 2 S / 1 F
QB: Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence
RB: Zamir White, James Conner, Trey Benson, Jaylen Warren, Will Shipley
WR: Michael Pittman, Puka Nacua, Drake London, Christian Kirk, Josh Palmer
TE: Trey McBride, Jake Ferguson, Noah Gray
PK: Justin Tucker, Jason Myers
DT: Grover Stewart, Devonte Wyatt
DE: Alex Highsmith, Jonathan Cooper, Gregory Rousseau, Matt Judon, Baron Browning
LB: Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw, Ernest Jones, Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell
CB: L'Jarius Sneed, Deommodore Lenoir, Taron Johnson
S: Derwin James, Talanoa Hufanga, Kareem Jackson
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RB: Zamir White, James Conner, Trey Benson, Jaylen Warren, Will Shipley
WR: Michael Pittman, Puka Nacua, Drake London, Christian Kirk, Josh Palmer
TE: Trey McBride, Jake Ferguson, Noah Gray
PK: Justin Tucker, Jason Myers
DT: Grover Stewart, Devonte Wyatt
DE: Alex Highsmith, Jonathan Cooper, Gregory Rousseau, Matt Judon, Baron Browning
LB: Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw, Ernest Jones, Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell
CB: L'Jarius Sneed, Deommodore Lenoir, Taron Johnson
S: Derwin James, Talanoa Hufanga, Kareem Jackson
DEVY: RB Nick Singleton PSU
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Re: Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
Agree, I own him all over the place and not even thinking about selling. He does drop a few easy ones but he destroys press coverage and is open a ton. Brown's development is obvious and when Gallup comes back along with a very good run blocking line, Lamb will even be more difficult to cover.
I know it's fun to talk about panic selling after a few bad games but in dynasty, panic selling is disastrous more often than not IMO.
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Re: Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
Pretty sure that Lamb was not the Cowboys WR1 his rookie season.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:36 amFWIW, Lamb had an 80% success rate against press coverage as a rookie. So, I don't think you can say he hasn't shown that ability. I do not think that Lamb having bad target quality in Week 1 had much to do with double coverage, when the Cowboys offensive line was consistently getting killed by Tampa.MacDaddy123 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:59 pm
I have seen enough to know that Lamb is not a true Alpha.
Lamb is a Beat, who will actually perform better with a true WR1 on his team to draw away coverage.
Lamb has not shown the ability to beat press coverage or handle double coverage like Alpha WR1's are expected to do.
Week 1 game, with Dak playing, Lamb caught 2 of 11 targets.
6 targets were knocked away by defenders because Lamb could not create any separation for double teams.
Lamb was, and remains a solid WR2, but many think he can be better than that, they are wrong.
With Gallup and Cooper, Lamb saw more single coverage, which he is able to win in single coverage.
Javonte will improve if Russ can ever become the QB he used to be, and open up the offense.
As long as teams don't respect Wilson, and load the boxes, Javonte will struggle.
So, I don't get what you solved with the deal. You traded a productive player who's overvalued for a player who hasn't been as productive, but is also overvalued.The one thing that Javonte and Lamb have in common is that they are both over-rated.
I'd be more concerned about RBs who aren't living up to expectations than WRs who aren't living up to expectations. RBs get replaced a hell of a lot faster.
Lamb is a better WR when he has another WR draw away the top coverage.
Lamb proved to be a productive, low end WR2 the past 2 seasons, but he has not shown the ability to be a WR1, and I doubt he will, at least not on a steady basis. He may have a couple of WR1 weeks here and there, but overall I see his ceiling as a high end WR2.
I think in the future, Javonte Williams has a better chance of being a RB1 than Lamb has of being a WR1.
You obviously love Lamb and hate Javonte, so there is no sense arguing that.
I am curious as to if you ever played in a 20 team league, as RB's are MUCH harder to come by than WR's.
Michael Carter was my RB2 in that league, and you have to admit that Javonte Williams is better than Michael Carter.
I have other good WR's like Pittman, Higgins, DJM, Christian Kirk, and Rondale Moore, certainly well above average in a 20 team league, and now I have the leagues top RB combo with Jonathan Taylor and Javonte Williams.
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Re: Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
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D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
Re: Ceedee Lamb - Ranking/Price Check
Ok thanks. I just checked it out.
12 team, dynasty, ppr, 1RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3RB/WR/TEFlex
QB P.Mahomes, J.Goff
RB J.Taylor, A.Kamara, E.Elliott, T.Pollard
WR D.Chark, B.Cooks, A.Cooper, A.St.Brown, J.Tolbert, T.Marshall, D.Slayton
TE T.Kelce, H.Henry
(League champ somehow)
QB J.Burrow
RB T.Etienne, I,Pacheco, J.Cook, T.Algeier, J.Wilson
WR C.Lamb, M.Evans, M.Pittman, D.Chark, R.Moore, D.Peoples-Jones
TE T.Hockenson
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QB J.Burrow, G.Smith
RB D.Cook, J.Mixon, A.Mattison, R.Mostert, S.Perine
WR M.Evans, A.Cooper, C.Kirk, N.Collins
TE E.Engram, G.Everett, C.Okonkwo, C.Otton
QB K.Murray, J.Burrow
RB D.Cook, D.Montgomery, A.Mattison, K.Herbert, T.Algeier
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TE T.Kelce, D.Waller, R.Gronkowski, R.Tonyan, C.Otton
QB P.Mahomes, J.Goff
RB J.Taylor, A.Kamara, E.Elliott, T.Pollard
WR D.Chark, B.Cooks, A.Cooper, A.St.Brown, J.Tolbert, T.Marshall, D.Slayton
TE T.Kelce, H.Henry
(League champ somehow)
QB J.Burrow
RB T.Etienne, I,Pacheco, J.Cook, T.Algeier, J.Wilson
WR C.Lamb, M.Evans, M.Pittman, D.Chark, R.Moore, D.Peoples-Jones
TE T.Hockenson
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TE E.Engram, G.Everett, C.Okonkwo, C.Otton
QB K.Murray, J.Burrow
RB D.Cook, D.Montgomery, A.Mattison, K.Herbert, T.Algeier
WR A.St.Brown, K.Allen, A.Theilen, B.Cooks, T.Boyd, R.Moore, D.Hopkins
TE T.Kelce, D.Waller, R.Gronkowski, R.Tonyan, C.Otton
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