We will never know what a catch is I'm afraid.Jigga94 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:36 amLol relax, Im not out to get the Chiefsjcc6fd wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:36 amLol he secured it with the ground clearly. Guess KC is now getting the NE treatment by all other NFL fan bases. We haven’t even won that muchJigga94 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:40 am
It really could've gone either way. I knew that KC INT was going to be overturned to keep it a manageable game, but was definitely a catch. Then Samuel Jr almost had the pick 6 in the end zone like you mentioned. That also may have iced the game a bit. A few other tipped passes as well but Mahomes sneaks away with this one
The thing is, I agree that the ground shouldn't help a player catch the ball (in which this wouldnt be a clear catch, but I also didn't think they had enough to overturn). But the refs were calling that same play a catch in recent past. So I must just not know what the rules are nowadays on what a catch is.
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Not totally convinced where the blame lies. But one thing I did think was interesting was after the previous play, Everett was gassed and was waving to the sideline to come out. He request was not honored, then on the very next play the INT happened. It's possible his effort on that one wasn't 100%.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:40 amDisagree, he side armed it around a defender, and he wasn't in the end zone, open or set. Point is, it was a risky throw, and it back fired. That's on Herbert. Sometimes aggressiveness trying to make a play can backfire on a QB, no matter how talented. It did here. It did a few times with Mahomes too, but he got bailed out by DB drops.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:30 amEh, that’s a pretty standard play for a big receiver to just stand there and box out the defender. I’ve seen many touchdowns come from that play. Problem is evertt moved when Herbert thought he’d just stay there.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:36 am Mahomes had quite a few passes that should have been picked tonight, including one that could have been a pick six. Horseshoes. On the other side, Herbert threw a back breaking pick 6. Some miscommunication on it, but he probably should have thrown that ball away over the head of Everrett the play was shot, nothing was there. Good game, both teams look very good. They always seem to play each other tight and it comes right down to the end, recently. Last 3 times, at least.
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I've watched the play a bunch of times, different angles. It's on Herbert, you throw to a player who's not open, and hasn't finished his route, it's on the QB. That stuff happens, where there are miscommunications in zone, and a QB will expect a guy to sit, and he doesn't, but usually the guy is open, and that can be on the receiver, but a guy that's blanketed at the time you decide to throw it with a less than ideal arm angle to try and fit it around a guy, that's on the QB. Herbert is a great young player, but he's not infallible. He made a mistake that cost them, he'll bounce back.Shoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:47 amNot totally convinced where the blame lies. But one thing I did think was interesting was after the previous play, Everett was gassed and was waving to the sideline to come out. He request was not honored, then on the very next play the INT happened. It's possible his effort on that one wasn't 100%.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:40 amDisagree, he side armed it around a defender, and he wasn't in the end zone, open or set. Point is, it was a risky throw, and it back fired. That's on Herbert. Sometimes aggressiveness trying to make a play can backfire on a QB, no matter how talented. It did here. It did a few times with Mahomes too, but he got bailed out by DB drops.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:30 am
Eh, that’s a pretty standard play for a big receiver to just stand there and box out the defender. I’ve seen many touchdowns come from that play. Problem is evertt moved when Herbert thought he’d just stay there.
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Spot on. They were even highlighting after the play that Everett was gassed before that play and was supposed to come for the field but waved them off and stayed out there. It costed his team because he showed almost no effort in preventing that pick 6. Great play by the DB but he has to do a better job of trying to at least break up a turnover. He’s got a ton of physical talent but his mental mistakes and attitude cost his teams constantly. He didn’t even try to tackle the DB after the pick. He just looked around on the ground to pick up his mouth piece and slowly walked away. Herbert got tricked by that slick DB move to the outside then quickly to the inside but still shouldn’t have thrown that ball.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:40 amDisagree, he side armed it around a defender, and he wasn't in the end zone, open or set. Point is, it was a risky throw, and it back fired. That's on Herbert. Sometimes aggressiveness trying to make a play can backfire on a QB, no matter how talented. It did here. It did a few times with Mahomes too, but he got bailed out by DB drops.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:30 amEh, that’s a pretty standard play for a big receiver to just stand there and box out the defender. I’ve seen many touchdowns come from that play. Problem is evertt moved when Herbert thought he’d just stay there.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:36 am Mahomes had quite a few passes that should have been picked tonight, including one that could have been a pick six. Horseshoes. On the other side, Herbert threw a back breaking pick 6. Some miscommunication on it, but he probably should have thrown that ball away over the head of Everrett the play was shot, nothing was there. Good game, both teams look very good. They always seem to play each other tight and it comes right down to the end, recently. Last 3 times, at least.
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This is interesting. I was under the impression that he waved off the sideline as to say he was fine and wanted to stay in. I was assuming he was being selfish with how close they were to the end zone as he has done this sort of thing in the past. Maybe I was wrong. I want to go back and rewatch now lolShoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:47 amNot totally convinced where the blame lies. But one thing I did think was interesting was after the previous play, Everett was gassed and was waving to the sideline to come out. He request was not honored, then on the very next play the INT happened. It's possible his effort on that one wasn't 100%.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:40 amDisagree, he side armed it around a defender, and he wasn't in the end zone, open or set. Point is, it was a risky throw, and it back fired. That's on Herbert. Sometimes aggressiveness trying to make a play can backfire on a QB, no matter how talented. It did here. It did a few times with Mahomes too, but he got bailed out by DB drops.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:30 am
Eh, that’s a pretty standard play for a big receiver to just stand there and box out the defender. I’ve seen many touchdowns come from that play. Problem is evertt moved when Herbert thought he’d just stay there.
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Naw, he wanted out. He had just made that big play, but they were in hurry up, so no substitutions.Gazzerk wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:41 amThis is interesting. I was under the impression that he waved off the sideline as to say he was fine and wanted to stay in. I was assuming he was being selfish with how close they were to the end zone as he has done this sort of thing in the past. Maybe I was wrong. I want to go back and rewatch now lolShoreline Steamers wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:47 amNot totally convinced where the blame lies. But one thing I did think was interesting was after the previous play, Everett was gassed and was waving to the sideline to come out. He request was not honored, then on the very next play the INT happened. It's possible his effort on that one wasn't 100%.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:40 am
Disagree, he side armed it around a defender, and he wasn't in the end zone, open or set. Point is, it was a risky throw, and it back fired. That's on Herbert. Sometimes aggressiveness trying to make a play can backfire on a QB, no matter how talented. It did here. It did a few times with Mahomes too, but he got bailed out by DB drops.
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Not totally convinced where the blame lies. But one thing I did think was interesting was after the previous play, Everett was gassed and was waving to the sideline to come out. He request was not honored, then on the very next play the INT happened. It's possible his effort on that one wasn't 100%.
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That’s how I read it also - tried to come out, but hurry-up prevented it.Jigga94 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:02 pm100%ericanadian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:48 amNaw, he wanted out. He had just made that big play, but they were in hurry up, so no substitutions.Gazzerk wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:41 am
This is interesting. I was under the impression that he waved off the sideline as to say he was fine and wanted to stay in. I was assuming he was being selfish with how close they were to the end zone as he has done this sort of thing in the past. Maybe I was wrong. I want to go back and rewatch now lol
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I'm thinking about starting Greg Dortch over Breece Hall, Rashaad Penny, Tyler Lockett, and Melvin Gordon, someone talk me off the ledge.
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I guess it wasn't surprising to see them lose a close game even though they looked like the better team, again.
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Jump!zacharyringer12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:34 pm I'm thinking about starting Greg Dortch over Breece Hall, Rashaad Penny, Tyler Lockett, and Melvin Gordon, someone talk me off the ledge.
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Pew Dogs wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:10 pmJump!zacharyringer12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:34 pm I'm thinking about starting Greg Dortch over Breece Hall, Rashaad Penny, Tyler Lockett, and Melvin Gordon, someone talk me off the ledge.
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I picked up Dortch this week. But I wouldn’t start him over any of those names. Not yet. I had him on my roster as a rookie for a bit but ended up dropping him. Pretty sure he has a nice profile but can’t remember now. I’m not invested enough to go back and look. Just had a dead roster spot and picked him up. Heh.
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Actually seems like a decent matchup for Dortch and he's going to play a lot.zacharyringer12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:34 pm I'm thinking about starting Greg Dortch over Breece Hall, Rashaad Penny, Tyler Lockett, and Melvin Gordon, someone talk me off the ledge.
But, I'd be careful of chasing Week 1's points.
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If he gets Hobbs covering him it won't be. I think they will play Hobbs on Hollywood, but that kid is turning into one hell of a corner, was the slot CB last year, but moving all over the place now, and playing outside as a starter.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:19 amActually seems like a decent matchup for Dortch and he's going to play a lot.zacharyringer12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:34 pm I'm thinking about starting Greg Dortch over Breece Hall, Rashaad Penny, Tyler Lockett, and Melvin Gordon, someone talk me off the ledge.
But, I'd be careful of chasing Week 1's points.
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