Thoughts on Mark Andrews

[Shankopotamus]

I'm not sure of the breakdown, but it felt like he scored 70% of his points after Lamar went down. Sadly, he couldn't will me beyond the first round of the playoffs this year.

[PPE82]

Was last year an outlier (~150 targets) or is this the new norm?

[dynastyninja]

Was last year an outlier (~150 targets) or is this the new norm?

I think the talent has always been there. Target share & target quality have been the question. I feel good about his prospects moving forward.

[CGW]

Was last year an outlier (~150 targets) or is this the new norm?

I'm not sure he will get quite the same volume going forward, but it's hard to argue with his career trajectory. 100-130 targets seems very doable, plus 8-10 TD.

His targets per game:
2019 - 4.3
2020 - 6.3
2021 - 9

He's at the top of the TE list. Those who want to put Pitts up there for age and outlook are welcome to do so, but I'm not paying much, if any, on top of Andrews to get Pitts.

[Jigga94]

Was last year an outlier (~150 targets) or is this the new norm?

I'm not sure he will get quite the same volume going forward, but it's hard to argue with his career trajectory. 100-130 targets seems very doable, plus 8-10 TD.

His targets per game:
2019 - 4.3
2020 - 6.3
2021 - 9

He's at the top of the TE list. Those who want to put Pitts up there for age and outlook are welcome to do so, but I'm not paying much, if any, on top of Andrews to get Pitts.

2019 he had 6.5 targets per game I believe.

2021 he definitely saw a jump but remember, Lamar missed 6 games (counting the CLE one where he only threw 4 passes).

Andrews still saw a jump with Lamar at 8 targets per game. But he was close to 11 targets per game without Lamar. I pretty much agree with you though. Hard to see him not getting 100+ targets as that's only 6 per game, which he has averaged since his sophomore year

[CGW]

Was last year an outlier (~150 targets) or is this the new norm?

I'm not sure he will get quite the same volume going forward, but it's hard to argue with his career trajectory. 100-130 targets seems very doable, plus 8-10 TD.

His targets per game:
2019 - 4.3
2020 - 6.3
2021 - 9

He's at the top of the TE list. Those who want to put Pitts up there for age and outlook are welcome to do so, but I'm not paying much, if any, on top of Andrews to get Pitts.

2019 he had 6.5 targets per game I believe.

2021 he definitely saw a jump but remember, Lamar missed 6 games (counting the CLE one where he only threw 4 passes).

Andrews still saw a jump with Lamar at 8 targets per game. But he was close to 11 targets per game without Lamar. I pretty much agree with you though. Hard to see him not getting 100+ targets as that's only 6 per game, which he has averaged since his sophomore year

You are right. 6.5 per game. Thanks for correcting, must have made a typo. Point stands, I cant imagine him getting less than his standard 6.5ish and more likely to push 7-8 realistically.

Glad I picked him up his rookie year while everyone was drooling over Hurst.

[_yeti]

I'm not sure of the breakdown, but it felt like he scored 70% of his points after Lamar went down. Sadly, he couldn't will me beyond the first round of the playoffs this year.

Like 30% but he had games like that with Lamar too

[Ray Finkle]

I’m considering adding to Andrews in attempt to turn him into Pitts. As a contender though, I’m hesitant as I think Andrews the next couple seasons could be what Kelce has been the last several…before Pitts then has the position on lockdown for a while.

[Ice]

I’m considering adding to Andrews in attempt to turn him into Pitts. As a contender though, I’m hesitant as I think Andrews the next couple seasons could be what Kelce has been the last several…before Pitts then has the position on lockdown for a while.

Nothing wrong with the plan but Andrews is a stud. Long term I like Pitts but I view both these players as tier 1 TE's and the Ravens are way more stable at the moment.

I wouldn't add much unless Atlanta wins the Sweepstakes and Pitts isn't part of the package.

[mild]

Was last year an outlier (~150 targets) or is this the new norm?

I think the talent has always been there. Target share & target quality have been the question. I feel good about his prospects moving forward.

The only thing I can think of is that the Ravens might get back to a bit more running in 2022 with Dobbins and Gus Bus coming back. The Run has historically been their favoured identity, and their moves so far in FA are pointing to wanting to get back to that.

But even then, I don't think that's a true negative - as committing to the Run more still keeps the TE on the field, and opens Andrews up as the obvious primary read on Play Action calls out of Heavy sets.

[dondickenson]

Was last year an outlier (~150 targets) or is this the new norm?

I think the talent has always been there. Target share & target quality have been the question. I feel good about his prospects moving forward.

The only thing I can think of is that the Ravens might get back to a bit more running in 2022 with Dobbins and Gus Bus coming back. The Run has historically been their favoured identity, and their moves so far in FA are pointing to wanting to get back to that.

But even then, I don't think that's a true negative - as committing to the Run more still keeps the TE on the field, and opens Andrews up as the obvious primary read on Play Action calls out of Heavy sets.

I don’t disagree that the Ravens will probably run a bit more than 2021. But I also doubt they get back to their ways of 2019/2020, when the only weapons were a less developed young trio of LJax/Hollywood/Andrews. Now all 3 are mature and add to that a second year Bateman. They’re gonna throw more than in 2019/2020. Somewhere in between the run-pass split they had then and the split from 2021 imo is what we see.

[olmansmith]

How are people feeling about Mark Andrews?
The ceiling feels more capped than in the past with healthy OBJ, Bateman, Flowers? Not sure how Monken's tendencies will affect the equations either vs Roman (or maybe just Lamar or lack of other options) targeting Andrews.
Still presumably a top 2 option but the chances he just takes over as the clear #1 with a full season of Lamar feels lower.

[ericanadian]

How are people feeling about Mark Andrews?
The ceiling feels more capped than in the past with healthy OBJ, Bateman, Flowers? Not sure how Monken's tendencies will affect the equations either vs Roman (or maybe just Lamar or lack of other options) targeting Andrews.
Still presumably a top 2 option but the chances he just takes over as the clear #1 with a full season of Lamar feels lower.

OJ Howard put up 565 yards and six TDs on a 40% snap share in 2018 under Monken. I’m not all that worried about it.

[Cameron Giles]

How are people feeling about Mark Andrews?
The ceiling feels more capped than in the past with healthy OBJ, Bateman, Flowers? Not sure how Monken's tendencies will affect the equations either vs Roman (or maybe just Lamar or lack of other options) targeting Andrews.
Still presumably a top 2 option but the chances he just takes over as the clear #1 with a full season of Lamar feels lower.

It's historically rare for a TE to maintain being the #1 option in an offense for so many years. Andrews is still going to have a big year, but don't fade him because he may not be the #1 anymore.

[olmansmith]

How are people feeling about Mark Andrews?
The ceiling feels more capped than in the past with healthy OBJ, Bateman, Flowers? Not sure how Monken's tendencies will affect the equations either vs Roman (or maybe just Lamar or lack of other options) targeting Andrews.
Still presumably a top 2 option but the chances he just takes over as the clear #1 with a full season of Lamar feels lower.

It's historically rare for a TE to maintain being the #1 option in an offense for so many years. Andrews is still going to have a big year, but don't fade him because he may not be the #1 anymore.

Yeah not fading him, mostly just doing the mental exercise on the appropriate trade value to acquire him for on a contender. KTC having him for a late 1st + late 2nd feels too low but putting feelers out