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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby YouMightDieTryin » Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:39 pm

Which NFL Quarterback Has the Smallest Hands Ever Measured?
Doug Hudson has the smallest hands measured of any NFL quarterback. His handspan measures only 7.25 inches, which is really surprising considering he stands at 6'2". Russell Wilson stands three inches shorter than Doug Hudson but has a handspan of 10.25 inches.

Having small hands doesn't mean a quarterback can't be great. Players like Michael Vick have shown one can do well in the NFL despite having small hands. Here's a list of some of the NFL quarterbacks with the smallest hands.

Quarterbacks Height Handspan
Brandon Allen
6'2"
8.88"

Charlie Frye
6'4"
8.88"

Tommy Hodson
6'3"
8.88"

Shane Matthews
6'3"
8.88"

Steve Matthews
6'3"
8.88"

Kevin O'Connell
6'5"
8.88"

John Friesz
6'4"
8.75"

Mike Perez
6'1"
8.75"

T.J. Rubley
6'3"
8.75"

Tonny Sacca
6'5"
8.75"

Tyler Wilson
6'2"
8.68"

Jeff Blake
6'1"
8.50"

John David Booty
6'2"
8.50"

Kliff Kingsbury
6'3"
8.50"

Michael Vick
6'0"
8.50"

Doug Hudson
6'2"
7.25"

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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby Ice » Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:50 pm

KingsKing wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:28 pm
Ice wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:14 pm
Yarnith wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:17 pm Hand size isn't a reason to not draft a guy but it is the kind of thing you consider when you are already concerned. Someone like Burrow you shrug, Pickett well he is no Burrow.
I was listening to an interesting conversation on NFL Network Radio 30 minutes ago. They went back and checked the last time a QB had success with hands smaller than 9".

One Name; Michael Vick. He also had 8.5 " hands. No one else.

May not be a reason but teams will consider passing because that box isn't check.
I could be wrong but i'm sure Romo has hands under 9 inches too
That was a rumor proved false when he was actually measured at 9 5/8 ".
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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby Sriracha » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:13 pm

Ice wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:14 pm
Yarnith wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:17 pm Hand size isn't a reason to not draft a guy but it is the kind of thing you consider when you are already concerned. Someone like Burrow you shrug, Pickett well he is no Burrow.
I was listening to an interesting conversation on NFL Network Radio 30 minutes ago. They went back and checked the last time a QB had success with hands smaller than 9".

One Name; Michael Vick. He also had 8.5 " hands. No one else.

May not be a reason but teams will consider passing because that box isn't check.
I think it's important to note that the vast majority of NFL QBs have hand sizes larger than 9".

The QBs who measured under that were not exactly 5 star prospects to begin with with; The exception being Vick who is coincidentally the only success story.

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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby murphysxm » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:19 pm

I am at watching some really fast WR times in the 40. Going to be a WR swell in this class
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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby Dynos » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:22 pm

treylon burks run 4.55, so a big wr that don't run fast that win 50/50 balls with a limited route tree

he looks more a treadwell than a metcalf to me

Edit 4.50 on his second run
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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby Sriracha » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:32 pm

Dynos wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:22 pm treylon burks run 4.55, so a big wr that don't run fast that win 50/50 balls with a limited route tree

he looks more a treadwell than a metcalf to me

Edit 4.50 on his second run
What are these comps?

He's a much more fluid athlete than Metcalf and Treadwell is a bottom percentile athlete not just above average.

He's more like a raw Deebo/AJB

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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby Cameron Giles » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:39 pm

Dynos wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:22 pm treylon burks run 4.55, so a big wr that don't run fast that win 50/50 balls with a limited route tree

he looks more a treadwell than a metcalf to me

Edit 4.50 on his second run
They just have different games. Burks' college production checks out. Plus, many continue to say he's faster on tape.

A 4.5 at 6'3, 232 is still good though.

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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby StripesOfKC » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:46 pm

I've been working on building my WR analytic model and I still can find no evidence of 40 time (or athletic testing at all) mattering at the position

I might add a "tier 0" for WRs who tick every other box AND test incredibly well (ie Jamarr Chase) but from everything I can tell it's strict production and draft capital

Some of the best analytical prospect WRs to date (Keenan Allen, Hopkins, Tee Higgins) tested horribly

For combine WRs I pretty much hope the guys locked into round 1/2 test badly so they fall to me and the guys on the fringe of day 2 (like Skyy Moore or Khalil Shakir) test well to make the cut

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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby JoeJoe88 » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:53 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:39 pm
Dynos wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:22 pm treylon burks run 4.55, so a big wr that don't run fast that win 50/50 balls with a limited route tree

he looks more a treadwell than a metcalf to me

Edit 4.50 on his second run
They just have different games. Burks' college production checks out. Plus, many continue to say he's faster on tape.

A 4.5 at 6'3, 232 is still good though.
There were folks saying he could run sub 4.4 lol

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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby BabyChark23 » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:21 pm

David Bell at 4.62… :confused:

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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby mild » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:40 pm

BabyChark23 wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:21 pm David Bell at 4.62… :confused:
Repeat after me:

"Late 2nd round steal"

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Postby StripesOfKC » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:42 pm

mild wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:40 pm
BabyChark23 wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:21 pm David Bell at 4.62… :confused:
Repeat after me:

"Late 2nd round steal"
Surely you meant in reality

Because he isn't getting out of the early 2nd in any dynasty league in this class

There's a reason every comp for Bell was someone with underwhelming speed

The only thing that worries me is if he tumbles into day 3 like a Tylan Wallace in which case he's almost irrelevant

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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby mild » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:44 pm

StripesOfKC wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:42 pm
mild wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:40 pm
BabyChark23 wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:21 pm David Bell at 4.62… :confused:
Repeat after me:

"Late 2nd round steal"
Surely you meant in reality

Because he isn't getting out of the early 2nd in any dynasty league in this class

There's a reason every comp for Bell was someone with underwhelming speed

The only thing that worries me is if he tumbles into day 3 like a Tylan Wallace in which case he's almost irrelevant
I nearly wrote "mid to late 2nd in a SF" to be more accurate. We'll see.

I dunno, perhaps he could tumble. That's the kind of 40 that turns off a certain kind of "traits" based drafter. I see another few WR's rising after this that were previously off the radar, I don't think it's outrageous to think there's a chance he'll be there.

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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby murphysxm » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:55 pm

mild wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:44 pm
StripesOfKC wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:42 pm
mild wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:40 pm

Repeat after me:

"Late 2nd round steal"
Surely you meant in reality

Because he isn't getting out of the early 2nd in any dynasty league in this class

There's a reason every comp for Bell was someone with underwhelming speed

The only thing that worries me is if he tumbles into day 3 like a Tylan Wallace in which case he's almost irrelevant
I nearly wrote "mid to late 2nd in a SF" to be more accurate. We'll see.

I dunno, perhaps he could tumble. That's the kind of 40 that turns off a certain kind of "traits" based drafter. I see another few WR's rising after this that were previously off the radar, I don't think it's outrageous to think there's a chance he'll be there.
I actually love this, increases my chances of having him in every league
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Re: 2022 NFL Combine

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:23 pm

StripesOfKC wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:46 pm I've been working on building my WR analytic model and I still can find no evidence of 40 time (or athletic testing at all) mattering at the position
I looked into this and weight-adjusted 40 actually matters quite a bit for "taller" receivers, or receivers 6'2" and taller. If you look back, most (not all, but most) receivers of this height had a pretty good weight-adjusted 40, among other things. For the smaller receivers, the 40 times are a lot less sticky. Tee Higgins has done well for himself so far, however for my "study" I looked at players with more of a track record. I guess what I'm saying is, if you're looking at players who had 1 good year and deeming them a success, then maybe what I have outlined here isn't for you.


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