Is my commish cheating or am I wrong.

[ravn88]

Heey guys, I need your help.

Ive basically accused my commish of cheating.
Some of the other owners said that I was indecent to do that without prove.

Its a 12 team - money league (it not a lot, but the only money league i think any of the 12 owners are in.)
Se my team 2 in sig. Its a huge league with 15 starters.

The league is broken into 2 halfs.
4 bad teams: 1-12, 1-12 2-11 and 3-10
1 team in between
7 teams from 8-5 and up with one Juggernut 12-1

Bold teams had made a trade, juggernut is also Commish.

They made a trade in may 2020.

(I also complained a little over this one because i thought back then It make little seense for the bad team)

3-10 owner gets
Jonnu Smith TE NE (rank: 28-252)
2021 1st round pick 1.10 (used on Isaiah McKenzie)
2021 1st round pick 1.11 (used on Tony Pollard)
2022 1st round pick 1.12 #12
2022 2nd round pick 2.2 #14
2022 3rd round pick 3.12 #36

Commish gets:
2020 1st round pick 1.03 J. Taylor
2020 3rd round pick 3.03 KeShawn Vaughn
2021 1st round pick 1.03 (this was used in another trade to get Dalvin Cook.

So I thought this trade was bad, I said something. Back then.
Then later the 3-10 owner uses the 2x 2021 1sts on those 2 players.
And now they have made another trade, and this is where I said some things because I belive he is using the other owner.

So here is my issue.

New trade.

3-10 owner gets:
Derrick Henry IR

Juggernut gets:
2022 2nd Juggernuts own, most likely 2.01 (snakedraft)
2023 3-10 owners 1st
2024 3-10 owners 1st

If you are a contender i could under stand the overpay.
But for a bad team it makes zero seens (even if he uses his 1sts on Isaiah McKenzie and Tony pollard)

The juggernut owner is huge i to college football and is well aware of how good the 2023 draft could be, aswell as the one with Taylor.

The 3-10 owner is playing in his first dynasty league I think.
And the last thing, they are good friends.


Tell me guys, am I wrong. ??
Is this just 2 unluckey trades that happend to fall out to the juggernut, or is there something else going on.

I need neutral eyes on this one.

[FantasyFreak]

It's definitely dishonest. A commish should be trying to provide helpful insight to new dynasty players to prevent trades like this. He's definitely a bad commish, and a bad person IMO. Not sure it's cheating unless the other guy is actually doing it intentionally to help him. Another question. Are you guys required to pay for future years you trade away, because this is a real big oversight if not. Regardless, this is not the type of league I'd want to be in. I would recommend leaving. You're not going to enjoy a league with this type of commish, and cutting bait is probably your best long term solution.

[killer_of_giants]

2022 2nd Juggernuts own, most likely 2.01 (snakedraft)

that'd be enough to leave even without the shady trading.

i don't think it's cheating, bleep trades happen all the time, and if it wasn't the commissioner taking him to the cleaners, it would probably be someone else. smells funny though.

[ravn88]

Ues, but that kind of cheating would be impossible to prove. Especially when they are friends.

And yes, I said I think people should pay up front when using future picks.
One of the bad teams, got a new owner, who just every first he had, just to see the still had a bad team.

But the comish argued against it.

[FantasyFreak]

Ues, but that kind of cheating would be impossible to prove. Especially when they are friends.

And yes, I said I think people should pay up front when using future picks.
One of the bad teams, got a new owner, who just every first he had, just to see the still had a bad team.

But the comish argued against it.

So the guy can trade his 2023/2024 picks without having to pay for any future years, and the commish argued against it? You're in a bad league, my friend. This commish has no business being a commish, and your league will not improve as long as he is. Time to get rid of the headache. As much as leaving a league sucks, what is worse is spending you're spare time and money on a situation that will only lead to continuous frustration. It's your call of course, but I can't see a league like that being enjoyable now, or in the future. If the rest of the league feels the same way, you could call for his removal of course, but if they don't, you're stuck with him, and all that his incompetence and underhandedness provides.

[Anteaters]

Whether it's cheating (in the form of collusion,) or it's a dirty commissioner (abusing uninformed owners,) I would not remain in this league.

Both those trades were horribly unbalanced in favor of the commish. The fact that he went back to the well again this year and made such an egregious trade involving Henry is proof that, at best, the commish is intentionally trade-raping the other guy. Personally, I don't remain in leagues with dishonest/dirty commissioners. Any commish who makes blatantly unbalanced trades like that is probably doing other dirty stuff you're not aware of.

Complaining to him won't change his personality. The only way to come out of this clean is to quit the league.

[ravn88]

Whether it's cheating (in the form of collusion,) or it's a dirty commissioner (abusing uninformed owners,) I would not remain in this league.

Both those trades were horribly unbalanced in favor of the commish. The fact that he went back to the well again this year and made such an egregious trade involving Henry is proof that, at best, the commish is intentionally trade-raping the other guy. Personally, I don't remain in leagues with dishonest/dirty commissioners. Any commish who makes blatantly unbalanced trades like that is probably doing other dirty stuff you're not aware of.

Complaining to him won't change his personality. The only way to come out of this clean is to quit the league.

So if the commish got this offer in his inbox, he should tell him you are offering too much.
Rather than taking the offer.
Not that I think it happent that way

[runCMC]

Tbh the guy who’s 3-10 making terrible deals should be booted from the league. He’s the problem. Though also agree the commish should know better.

I’m in a league where two guys have hoovered up all the talent through awful trade offers. Just spam until something gets accepted. Don’t like the way they go about it but it’s also on the other teams who are accepting those terrible deals

[Jigga94]

This whole thing just sounds like a disaster... shady commish, bad owner making bad trades, no future dues paid, a snake rookie draft...

I'm not normally the one to say "I'd leave the league if..." but I'd leave the league

[smbkrypt24]

I think that 1st trade is absolutely terrible.
The second trade is not bad based on value, but a 3-10 team shouldn't want Henry so it looks bad. And as others pointed out you should pay for any year your trade your draft picks out of so that horrible team should be paid through 2024.

[abloom]

There are a bunch of things that need to be addressed here:

They made a trade in may 2020.

(I also complained a little over this one because i thought back then It make little seense for the bad team)

3-10 owner gets
Jonnu Smith TE NE (rank: 28-252)
2021 1st round pick 1.10 (used on Isaiah McKenzie)
2021 1st round pick 1.11 (used on Tony Pollard)
2022 1st round pick 1.12 #12
2022 2nd round pick 2.2 #14
2022 3rd round pick 3.12 #36

Commish gets:
2020 1st round pick 1.03 J. Taylor
2020 3rd round pick 3.03 KeShawn Vaughn
2021 1st round pick 1.03 (this was used in another trade to get Dalvin Cook.

So this was actually:
Jonnu, 2x 21 1st, 1x 22 1st, 22 2nd, and 22 3rd

For
2020 1.03, 3.03, 21 1st

It's not a good trade but it's nothing egregious.

The biggest problem is that the team that is worse is not drafting great talent and looks like he needs help understanding dynasty. Though I will say, pollard looks good. The fact that the 21 1st ended up becoming the 1.03 and then traded for cook isn't really a factor here.

New trade.

3-10 owner gets:
Derrick Henry IR

Juggernut gets:
2022 2nd Juggernuts own, most likely 2.01 (snakedraft)
2023 3-10 owners 1st
2024 3-10 owners 1st

If you are a contender i could under stand the overpay.
But for a bad team it makes zero seens (even if he uses his 1sts on Isaiah McKenzie and Tony pollard)

Okay first things first. Why the hell is the rookie draft a snake draft? There is no reason it should be snake. It should be in reverse order of end of season standings just like the actual NFL draft. The fact that this isn't an issue in your league leads me to believe that this is a group that is entirely inexperienced and really plays redraft more. Now onto the trade. This is a perfectly fine trade. The firsts are a couple years out and Henry is going to be coming back next year if not at the end of this year. The 3-10 owner can then flip Henry again if they want.

The juggernut owner is huge i to college football and is well aware of how good the 2023 draft could be, aswell as the one with Taylor.

The 3-10 owner is playing in his first dynasty league I think.
And the last thing, they are good friends

.
That's on the 3-10 owner and you. Give the 3-10 owner some resources, the fact that you haven since may 2020 is all on you.

Tell me guys, am I wrong. ??
Is this just 2 unluckey trades that happend to fall out to the juggernut, or is there something else going on.

Okay, you're wrong. The trades themself were not great but they were nothing egregious. The real issue is that it appears that the dynasty league does not have knowledgeable owners or owners that wish to share resources. You should either help the less knowledgeable members by suggesting resources such as websites, podcasts, or forums (hey DLF is a great source for all this) or you should politely bow out of the league and find one that is more competitive. You can probably find some openings in the DLF forums as well.

[abloom]

Tbh the guy who’s 3-10 making terrible deals should be booted from the league. He’s the problem. Though also agree the commish should know better.

I’m in a league where two guys have hoovered up all the talent through awful trade offers. Just spam until something gets accepted. Don’t like the way they go about it but it’s also on the other teams who are accepting those terrible deals

This is terrible advice and really horrible for the dynasty community as a whole. More experienced people should be helping new people to grow the community. That is what these forums are for and it should be your duty to expand the community not boot out new people.

[Anteaters]

So if the commish got this offer in his inbox, he should tell him you are offering too much.
Rather than taking the offer.
Not that I think it happent that way

I've been a commissioner for over 20 years in multiple leagues. I've never NEVER made an unbalanced trade in a league that I commission. In fact, while I encourage everyone else to trade, Commissioner-Me rarely initiate offers and I almost never trade with the easy targets.

IMO, in most leagues the commissioner has one big unfair advantage in trades - he is usually the only guy who really (really really) knows every other owner. Also, in my leagues at least, all the owners trust me explicitly. I could probably make several trades a year and end up with super teams. And not always highly unbalanced trades. Just knowing everyone and having their trust is enough to give me a competitive advantage in trading. It seems half the league calls/emails/texts me about their teams and I know what the think they need and what they're willing to pay to get it. I could easily offer deals to several owners that don't look very unfair but end up giving me a great bulletproof lineup.

I won't go so far as to say every commissioner should limit his trading activity, but it can become an unfair advantage. In most of my leagues where I'm not the commissioner, the commissioners are usually the most active traders ... or one of the top two or three. And the commissioners who trade a lot always seem to win their trades. I know one guy who always manages to make at least one or two bye week trades each year for a decent QB or RB that's sitting on someone's bench, by giving up a bench player the new team will never start. It's not that the trade is egregious, but they give his team enough of an advantage to win one or two bye-impacted games every season. It just doesn't seem right for him to always win every trade.

Again, I'm not criticizing any commish who trades. It can be done and done fairly. It's just something I try to avoid to stay above reproach. I'm almost always in the playoffs in all my leagues anyway. I pursue multiple trades in leagues where I'm not the commish, and enjoy it.

[jordanzs]

Piling on, it's a bad league. There's plenty of good leagues out there that you can replace this one with.

The (juggernaut) commish must love that rookie snake draft. Just to test him, I would ask him to change the rookie draft to NFL style & see if he balks or not. My 1st dynasty league was an ESPN bush league that a buddy created. It had a rookie snake draft. We quickly realized that was bush league and evolved. We all have to start somewhere.

[Ice]

This whole thing just sounds like a disaster... shady commish, bad owner making bad trades, no future dues paid, a snake rookie draft...

I'm not normally the one to say "I'd leave the league if..." but I'd leave the league

Have to agree with this!