Massive Overhaul for 2021

[Jrblaha]

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No I mean put how many points your pretrade lineup would have scored this year week 1, then next week do week 2 etc. I didn’t see it but maybe I’m just misreading or missing it

Ahhhhh I see! Good point. Ok, here we go

STARTING LINEUPS 2021 WEEK 1 RESULTS COMPARISON
Kyler Murray (42 point) vs Darnold (21 points)
Rodgers (1 point) vs Tyrod Taylor (27 points)
Cook (19 points) vs Fournette (11 points)
Tevin Coleman (2 points) vs Harris (11 points)
Godwin (23 points) vs Cooper (39 points)
Sutton (3 points) vs Juju (9 points)
Golladay (10 points) vs Chark (20 points)
De. Parker (12 points) vs Landry (19 points)
Hamler (7 points) vs Boyd (6 points)
Cobb (4 points) vs Pittman (6 points)
Jarwin (6 points) vs Jarwin (6 points)
Gronk (33 points) vs Mo Alie-Cox (0 points)
= 162 points vs 175 points

BENCH (TOP 3)
Brady (36 points) vs Mac Jones (16 points)
Cam Sims (3 points) vs Mike Williams (22 points)
Miller/Ty Montgomery/Mckissic/Breida/De Washington < (2 points each) vs Marvin Jones (19 points)

BEST POTENTIAL LINEUP:
198 points vs 204

And that doesnt include honorable Mentions from my current team that were on the bench
Josh Jacobs - I benched him against the Ravens
Sutton - I benched against NYG

And as a reminder: I would have lost this week in a heartbreaker with my old lineup.

Interesting. I’ll be watching to keep seeing how this continues to play out. Good luck and congrats on the win!

[CGW]

Winning is nice an all, but man its got to be rough seeing the likely QB1 Kyler Murray just torching the field. Still can't imagine a scenario where I'd trade my two Murray shares for anything less than a massive overpay. In superflex leagues, he will win weeks by himself.

[The MAC Machine]

Winning is nice an all, but man its got to be rough seeing the likely QB1 Kyler Murray just torching the field. Still can't imagine a scenario where I'd trade my two Murray shares for anything less than a massive overpay. In superflex leagues, he will win weeks by himself.

This is the point of the exercise and the commentary around it. For me its actually not rough seeing Kylers 42 point week at all because right next to it is Rodgers' 1 point week along with a handful of other duds and disappointments that would have wasted the effort. This was the theme of my season last year. If all 5 of my best players dont blow up then I have close to 0 chance of winning in a league that starts 12 players because the other 7 were putting up duds. Its rougher IMO seeing one player blow up and the rest of your team sucking it up.

[The MAC Machine]

Sorry ya'll, I thought I had posted the week 2 results. Here they are

STARTING LINEUPS 2021 WEEK 2 RESULTS COMPARISON
Kyler Murray (40 points) vs Darnold (22 points)
Rodgers (35 points) vs Tyrod Taylor (6 points)
Cook (17 points) vs Fournette (11 points)
Tevin Coleman (2 points) vs Harris (13 points)
Godwin (16 points) vs Mike Williams (22 points)
Sutton (26 points) vs Sutton (26 points)
Golladay (7 points) vs Cooper (5 points)
De. Parker (9 points) vs Marvin Jones (18 points)
Hamler (2 points) vs Landry (2 points)
Cobb (6 points) vs Chark (3 points)
Jarwin (8 points) vs Jarwin (8 points)
Gronk (22 points) vs Mo Alie-Cox (3 points)
= 190 points vs 139 points

BENCH (TOP 5)
Brady (39 points) vs Tyrod Taylor (19 points)
Mckissic (21 points) vs Juju (16 points)
Cam Sims (0 points) vs Pittman (21 points)
Breida (0 points) vs Boyd (14 points)
Lamar Miller (0 points) vs Cordarelle Patterson (23 points)

BEST POTENTIAL LINEUP:
213 points vs 205

And that doesnt include honorable Mentions from my current team that were on the bench
Josh Jacobs

[The MAC Machine]

STARTING LINEUPS 2021 WEEK 3 RESULTS COMPARISON
Kyler Murray (19 points) vs Darnold (23 points)
Rodgers (23 points) vs Mac Jones (14 points)
Cook (DNP) vs Fournette (6 points)
Tevin Coleman (0 points) vs CPatterson (16 points)
Godwin (20 points) vs Mike Williams (34 points)
Sutton (9 points) vs Sutton (9 points)
Golladay (10 points) vs Cooper (6 points)
De. Parker (8 points) vs Marvin Jones (12 points)
Hamler (4 points) vs Juju (6 points)
Cobb (0 points) vs Chark (14 points)
Jarwin (4 points) vs Jarwin (4 points)
Gronk (12 points) vs Mo Alie-Cox (4 points)
= 109 points vs 148 points

BENCH (TOP 4)
Brady (30 points) vs Pittman (13 points)
Mckissic (6 points) vs Boyd (14 points)
Cam Sims (3 points) vs Zaccheaus (12 points)
Breida (0 points) vs D. Harris (3 points)


BEST POTENTIAL LINEUP:
129 points vs 163

And that doesnt include honorable Mentions from my current team that were on the bench due to injury
Josh Jacobs
Tyrod Taylor
Landry

[The MAC Machine]

STARTING LINEUPS COMPARISON THROUGH 3 WEEKS

Week 1: 162 points vs 175 points
Week 2: 190 points vs 139 points
Week 3: 109 points vs 148 points
Total: 461 points (Previous) vs 462 points (Current)

BEST POTENTIAL LINEUP:
Week 1: 198 points vs 204 points
Week 2: 213 points vs 205 points
Week 3: 129 points vs 163 points
Total: 540 points (Previous) vs 572 points (Current)

STARTING LINEUP EFFICIENCY
Week 1: 82% vs 86%
Week 2: 89% vs 68%
Week 3: 84% vs 91%
Total: 85% (Previous) vs 80.7% (Current)

RECORD IN LEAGUE THROUGH WEEK 3
Previous Team: 0-3
Current Team: 2-1

CURRENT TEAM VS PREVIOUS TEAM
Current team: 2-1

Notes: I havent even started Jacobs once yet, and I have suffered injuries to Landry and Tyrod. Last year injuries to Godwin, Golladay, Parker, and Jarwin destroyed my team. This is the reason why I decided to go with more depth, and it feels good to be weathering injuries at the moment. Im currently seeking to upgrade or add depth to my TE spot as it seems like I never get solid production there.

[The MAC Machine]

Breaking news:
Was offered Ridley for Mike Williams, Pittman and Boyd
I countered with Pittman, Boyd and one other receiver.
He selected Marvin Jones, I countered with Landry.
Deal accepted

Ridley for Pittman, Boyd, and Landry

WRs are now: Cooper, Sutton, Mike Williams, Ridley, Chark, Marvin Jones, and Juju and I get to start 6

[Gator Sens]

Breaking news:
Was offered Ridley for Mike Williams, Pittman and Boyd
I countered with Pittman, Boyd and one other receiver.
He selected Marvin Jones, I countered with Landry.
Deal accepted

Ridley for Pittman, Boyd, and Landry

WRs are now: Cooper, Sutton, Mike Williams, Ridley, Chark, Marvin Jones, and Juju and I get to start 6

Really nice deal here. Nice work buying low from a panicked owner.

[The MAC Machine]

STARTING LINEUPS 2021 WEEK 4 RESULTS COMPARISON
Kyler Murray (28 points) vs Darnold (36 points)
Rodgers (28 points) vs Mac Jones (21 points)
Cook (6 points) vs Fournette (17 points)
McKissic (16 points) vs CPatterson (37 points)
Godwin (9 points) vs Mike Williams (2 points)
Sutton (8 points) vs Sutton (8 points)
Golladay (18 points) vs Cooper (16 points)
De. Parker (19 points) vs Marvin Jones (5 points)
Coleman (5 points) vs Ridley (15 points)
Cobb (24 points) vs Chark (0 points due to injury)
Jarwin (9 points) vs Jarwin (9 points)
Asiasi (0 points) vs Mo Alie-Cox (21 points)
= 170 points vs 187 points

BENCH (TOP 4)
Brady (11 points) vs Juju (3 points)
Breida (0 points) vs Collins (16 points)
Cam Sims (0 points) vs D. Harris (5 points)
L. Miller (0 points) vs Josh Jacobs (11 points)


BEST POTENTIAL LINEUP:
170 points vs 212 points

And that doesnt include honorable Mentions from my current team that were on the bench due to injury
Tyrod Taylor

[timeEd32]

Breaking news:
Was offered Ridley for Mike Williams, Pittman and Boyd
I countered with Pittman, Boyd and one other receiver.
He selected Marvin Jones, I countered with Landry.
Deal accepted

Ridley for Pittman, Boyd, and Landry

WRs are now: Cooper, Sutton, Mike Williams, Ridley, Chark, Marvin Jones, and Juju and I get to start 6

Really nice deal here. Nice work buying low from a panicked owner.

This is a very good trade.

[The MAC Machine]

Breaking news:
Was offered Ridley for Mike Williams, Pittman and Boyd
I countered with Pittman, Boyd and one other receiver.
He selected Marvin Jones, I countered with Landry.
Deal accepted

Ridley for Pittman, Boyd, and Landry

WRs are now: Cooper, Sutton, Mike Williams, Ridley, Chark, Marvin Jones, and Juju and I get to start 6

Really nice deal here. Nice work buying low from a panicked owner.

This is a very good trade.

Thanks Ed!

From beginning to end here is my full trade registry. Im really curious about how in spite of some glaring trade value blunders, my team is currently performing better. What trades do you all think offset those blunders to create a net gain in production thus far?


Gave (During startup draft): 2021 1st
Received (5th round pick): Courtland Sutton

Gave: Hamler and 2021 3rd
Received: Valdes-Scantling

Gave: Tom Brady and 2021 4th
Received: Sony Michel

Gave: Breida
Received: Auden Tate and 2021 4th

Gave: Dalvin Cook
Received: Fournette, Landry, and 2021 2nd

Gave: Rodgers, Dev. Parker, and 2021 2nd
Received: Big Ben, Montgomery, and 2021 3rd

Gave: 2021 3rd
Received: Dalton Keene

Gave: Murray, JRob, and MVS
Received: Chubb, Minshew, Mo Alie Cox and 2021 2nd

Gave: Golladay and 2021 2nd
Received: Juju, Njoku, and Penny

Gave: Tevin Coleman and 2021 4th
Received: Damien Harris

Gave: Montgomery
Received: Vaughn and 2021 1st

Gave: Gronk and Rashard Higgins
Received: 2022 1st and 2022 2nd

Gave: 2022 1st and 2021 1st
Received: Darnold and DeeJay Dallas

Gave: 2022 2nd
Received: Luton

Gave: Njoku
Received: Boston Scott

Gave: 2022 2nd
Received: Tyler Boyd

Gave: 2022 3rd
Received: Anthony Miller (CHI)

Gave: 2022 1st
Received: Mac Jones

Gave: Godwin
Received: Chark and Pittman

Gave: Big Ben, Fulgham and 4th
Received: Amari Cooper and 2022 3rd

Gave: Chubb
Received: Jacobs, Collins, Marv. Jones, 2022 2nd and 2022 3rd

Gave: Anthony Miller (HOU)
Received: 2022 2nd and 2022 3rd

Gave: 2022 2nd and 2022 2nd
Received: Mike Williams

Gave: 2022 3rd, 2022 3rd, and 2022 3rd
Received: Tre Quan Smith

Gave: Sony Michel
Received: Tyrod Taylor

Gave: Tyler Boyd, Michael Pittman, Jarvis Landry
Received: Calvin Ridley

[CGW]

Really nice deal here. Nice work buying low from a panicked owner.

This is a very good trade.

Thanks Ed!

From beginning to end here is my full trade registry. Im really curious about how in spite of some glaring trade value blunders, my team is currently performing better. What trades do you all think offset those blunders to create a net gain in production thus far?


Gave (During startup draft): 2021 1st
Received (5th round pick): Courtland Sutton

Gave: Hamler and 2021 3rd
Received: Valdes-Scantling

Gave: Tom Brady and 2021 4th
Received: Sony Michel

Gave: Breida
Received: Auden Tate and 2021 4th

Gave: Dalvin Cook
Received: Fournette, Landry, and 2021 2nd

Gave: Rodgers, Dev. Parker, and 2021 2nd
Received: Big Ben, Montgomery, and 2021 3rd

Gave: 2021 3rd
Received: Dalton Keene

Gave: Murray, JRob, and MVS
Received: Chubb, Minshew, Mo Alie Cox and 2021 2nd

Gave: Golladay and 2021 2nd
Received: Juju, Njoku, and Penny

Gave: Tevin Coleman and 2021 4th
Received: Damien Harris

Gave: Montgomery
Received: Vaughn and 2021 1st

Gave: Gronk and Rashard Higgins
Received: 2022 1st and 2022 2nd

Gave: 2022 1st and 2021 1st
Received: Darnold and DeeJay Dallas

Gave: 2022 2nd
Received: Luton

Gave: Njoku
Received: Boston Scott

Gave: 2022 2nd
Received: Tyler Boyd

Gave: 2022 3rd
Received: Anthony Miller (CHI)

Gave: 2022 1st
Received: Mac Jones

Gave: Godwin
Received: Chark and Pittman

Gave: Big Ben, Fulgham and 4th
Received: Amari Cooper and 2022 3rd

Gave: Chubb
Received: Jacobs, Collins, Marv. Jones, 2022 2nd and 2022 3rd

Gave: Anthony Miller (HOU)
Received: 2022 2nd and 2022 3rd

Gave: 2022 2nd and 2022 2nd
Received: Mike Williams

Gave: 2022 3rd, 2022 3rd, and 2022 3rd
Received: Tre Quan Smith

Gave: Sony Michel
Received: Tyrod Taylor

Gave: Tyler Boyd, Michael Pittman, Jarvis Landry
Received: Calvin Ridley

Most of your trades have been good. However, the bolded ones are the ones people feel you lost significant value and the ones you are having to recover from. Sure, sometimes lopsided trades work out, but none of these were in your favor at the time. I could trade Davante Adams for a couple 3rd round picks, and even if I get lucky and hit on a Terry Mclaurin in the draft it doesn't mean I won the trade.

Nice adjustments though. Buying Ridley and Williams low were great moves.

[Rylakn]

Nice work on the Ridley deal.

As much as I am enjoying keeping up with the weekly results, I can't be the only one that feels like it gets less and less meaningful the deeper we get into the season. It's comparing a team from a snapshot in time to an evolving one. A team that is active and able to make waiver moves or trades will usually come out on top of one that isn't able to make moves and adjust for injuries.

It's not a coincidence that the more active owners tend to do better than ones that barley log in.

[The MAC Machine]

Nice work on the Ridley deal.

As much as I am enjoying keeping up with the weekly results, I can't be the only one that feels like it gets less and less meaningful the deeper we get into the season. It's comparing a team from a snapshot in time to an evolving one. A team that is active and able to make waiver moves or trades will usually come out on top of one that isn't able to make moves and adjust for injuries.

It's not a coincidence that the more active owners tend to do better than ones that barley log in.

I think you're right in terms of comparing a snapshot to an evolving team. My league is pretty active and competitive. Im definitely the most active trader in most leagues I am in. It is challenging in this league because the rosters are so deep most relevant players are rostered already (except Geno Smith at this point which Im trying to drop all of my FAAB on). At this point Im not as interested in comparing the before and after as I am with comparing the concepts of building a team around a couple of studs vs building a team with a deeper roster full of solid players sprinkled with upside. I think the point many people made initially is that on paper the original team was better because it had more players with upside and because of that the value I received back in some trades were insufficient - which I can definitely see in some regards. However, what I suspect is that some of these players were actually being overvalued in comparison to their actual production and my goal was to sell a small handful of players and rebuild by my team around a much larger volume of buy low players. At this point it looks to be working OK. We will see how it continues as injuries and bye weeks start to filter in.

[The MAC Machine]

STARTING LINEUPS 2021 WEEK 5 RESULTS COMPARISON
Kyler Murray (14 points) vs Mac Jones (14 points)
Brady (49 points) vs Darnold (8 points)
Cook (OUT) vs Fournette (21 points)
McKissic (2 points) vs Jacobs (17 points)
Godwin (14 points) vs Mike Williams (41 points)
Sutton (25 points) vs CPatterson (18 points)
Golladay (0 points) vs Cooper (15 points)
De. Parker (0 points) vs Marvin Jones (4 points)
Coleman (1 point) vs Collins (9 points)
Cobb (5 points) vs Harris (9 points)
Jarwin (0 points) vs Seals-Jones (12 points)
Asiasi (0 points) vs Mo Alie-Cox (points TBD)
= 110 points vs 168 points

BENCH (TOP 4)
Rodgers (24 points) vs Sutton (25 points)
Cam Sims (0 points) vs Perine (18 points)
Breida (0 points) vs DeeJay Dallas (6 points)


BEST POTENTIAL LINEUP:
120 points vs 195 points

And that doesnt include honorable Mentions from my current team that were on the bench
Tyrod Taylor (IR)
Juju (0 points - IR)
Ridley (DNP)
Chark (IR)


I would really like to hear from everyone who swore by my first team, As it stands right now it has been performing pretty terribly. I would be 2-3 and 2nd to last in my league standings, instead of what looks to be 4-1 and in 3rd place. Not only that but my new team would be 4-1 against my old team and has scored more points, in spite of a slew of injuries. I know its early to take victory laps, and thats not even what this is about. But I would really like to engage in a conversation reflecting on how the overwhelming majority on this forum could see my old team and call it better without question....thats what was always fascinating to me.