In the 3 years Taylor was in Buffalo he targeted RB/TEs 48% of the time and WRs 52%. Last year the Chargers targeted RB/TEs 48.5% of the time and WRs 51.5%; with 90 of those targets going to Mike Williams. I don't see those numbers going down this year. And as far as Herbert goes; he's a total unknown in the NFL at this point.jjleurquin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:33 amTyrod Taylor has historically targeted WRs less and RBs/TEs more. I think Williams holds a lot more value if Herbert goes out there.Hottoddies wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:01 pm I think people are sleeping on both Mike Williams and Tyrod Taylor. This is the NFL, they aren't going to completely abandon the passing game. As long as the Chargers are in the playoff hunt Taylor will be the starter. People forget that Taylor actually has a pretty strong arm and a really accurate long ball. Williams may be a bit of a boom/bust type of play, but in the end, he should be able to pull off a WR2 floor this year. Perhaps something like 60 receptions, 1000 yards, and 8 touchdowns at the minimum.
However, if they fall out of the playoff hunt and throw Herbert in there, all bets are off.
The Mike Williams Thread: Finally turned the corner?
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Okay, my floor may have been a wee bit optimistic, but if Williams can get back to the catch and TD rate he had 2 years ago, he would exceed those numbers.FiremanEd wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:22 amThe words ‘floor’ and ‘minimum’ are completely out of place here. How a new career year are those two things is beyond my comprehension.Hottoddies wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:01 pm I think people are sleeping on both Mike Williams and Tyrod Taylor. This is the NFL, they aren't going to completely abandon the passing game. As long as the Chargers are in the playoff hunt Taylor will be the starter. People forget that Taylor actually has a pretty strong arm and a really accurate long ball. Williams may be a bit of a boom/bust type of play, but in the end, he should be able to pull off a WR2 floor this year. Perhaps something like 60 receptions, 1000 yards, and 8 touchdowns at the minimum.
However, if they fall out of the playoff hunt and throw Herbert in there, all bets are off.
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Re: Mike Williams
I'm from and center among the Mike Williams fan club, but today's shoulder injury has me pretty concerned. Spent last season playing through an evidently extremely painful knee injury after hurting it Week 1, this dude needs a healthy season.
12-team SF, PPR, TE premium, 0.25 PPCarry
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1SF 4Flex
QB: Mahomes, Fields, Love
RB: Bijan, ETN, Pollard, Achane, Herbert
WR: Kupp, Hill, Metcalf, Ridley, Jeudy, D.J. M, Burks, Hollywood, Wan'Dale
TE: Kyle Pitts, Goedert
Re: Mike Williams
MWill is a prospect I have believed in for quite some time. I feel like he'll be the next to have a "Devante Parker style" late breakout. Herbert my or may not unlock him. I'm hopeful but not convinced. Worst case, he's a free agent at age 27 in 2022 and maybe links up with his old teammate Watson or one of the elite QBs.
I'm not crazy hopeful but I'm not selling cheap. Selling for a DB is not the right move. In terms of rookie picks, I'd slot him somewhere between 2.02-2.05 range.
I'm not crazy hopeful but I'm not selling cheap. Selling for a DB is not the right move. In terms of rookie picks, I'd slot him somewhere between 2.02-2.05 range.
14 TM / Devy / SuperFlex / TEP
1 Q / 2 RB / 2 WR / 1 TE / 1 SF / 3 F / 1 DT / 2 DE / 3 LB / 2 CB / 2 S / 1 F
QB: Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence
RB: Zamir White, James Conner, Trey Benson, Jaylen Warren, Will Shipley
WR: Michael Pittman, Puka Nacua, Drake London, Christian Kirk, Josh Palmer
TE: Trey McBride, Jake Ferguson, Noah Gray
PK: Justin Tucker, Jason Myers
DT: Grover Stewart, Devonte Wyatt
DE: Alex Highsmith, Jonathan Cooper, Gregory Rousseau, Matt Judon, Baron Browning
LB: Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw, Ernest Jones, Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell
CB: L'Jarius Sneed, Deommodore Lenoir, Taron Johnson
S: Derwin James, Talanoa Hufanga, Kareem Jackson
DEVY: RB Nick Singleton PSU
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1 Q / 2 RB / 2 WR / 1 TE / 1 SF / 3 F / 1 DT / 2 DE / 3 LB / 2 CB / 2 S / 1 F
QB: Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence
RB: Zamir White, James Conner, Trey Benson, Jaylen Warren, Will Shipley
WR: Michael Pittman, Puka Nacua, Drake London, Christian Kirk, Josh Palmer
TE: Trey McBride, Jake Ferguson, Noah Gray
PK: Justin Tucker, Jason Myers
DT: Grover Stewart, Devonte Wyatt
DE: Alex Highsmith, Jonathan Cooper, Gregory Rousseau, Matt Judon, Baron Browning
LB: Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw, Ernest Jones, Alex Anzalone, Jack Campbell
CB: L'Jarius Sneed, Deommodore Lenoir, Taron Johnson
S: Derwin James, Talanoa Hufanga, Kareem Jackson
DEVY: RB Nick Singleton PSU
2024 DEVY DEPLETED PICKS: 1.11, 1.13, 2.03, 2.05, 2.13, 3.01, 3.07, 3.10, 3.12, 4.03, 4.11, 4.15, 5.01, 5.02
Re: Mike Williams
I like him a lot. If he puts it all together he vaults himself into top 20 Wr category or higher. Phillip Rivers has had a great career BUT sometimes qb changes can help players and i think this could help. Rivers was always locked on to Keenan Allen so perhaps this changes that dynamic a bit and targets get spread out more between the two.
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Re: Mike Williams
Was never a fan, but I'd be a MW buyer if his value is depressed. Tyrod is actually a situational improvement for his WR archetype.
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1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs
QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs
QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06
Re: Mike Williams
I've long been a disappointed fan of Williams, but I'm still holding out hope. This shoulder injury is a bit concerning. I've still got him in a couple of leagues but recently traded him in a salary cap league. I just couldn't see hanging on to him any longer when my WR corps in that league includes Nuk, Godwin, Gallup, JuJu, Ridley, and CeeDee. Couldn't see him cracking my weekly lineup there. In other leagues where I have him, I look at him as a legit WR3 with WR1/2 upside. If he can get and stay healthy. Is this becoming a recurring theme?
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Re: Mike Williams
Shoulder injury. Questionable for the season opener.
16 team league
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs
QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs
QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06
Re: Mike Williams
I read it could be 4-6 weeks, but who knows. I ended up moving him. Did another deal shortly after and got Boyd so I'm happy.
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Burrow/Howell (Murray, Geno)
Taylor/Swift (Sanders, Conner, Gibson, Miller, Spears Lenny)
Adams/Godwin/Higgins/McLaurin (DJ Moore, Hopkins, Tillman)
Kelce (Hockenson)
Budda/Holland/Blackmon/Minkah (Sydney Brown)
Bosa/Bernard/Okereke/EJones (Elliss)
Burrow/Howell (Murray, Geno)
Taylor/Swift (Sanders, Conner, Gibson, Miller, Spears Lenny)
Adams/Godwin/Higgins/McLaurin (DJ Moore, Hopkins, Tillman)
Kelce (Hockenson)
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This could we WAAAY to early, but has Mike Williams finally turned the corner??
These first three games have been impressive.
Team 1
12 team .5 PPR league
1 Qb, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB/WR/TE
QB: Herbert, Tannehill
RB: Josh Jacobs, Dobbins, Charbs, Ford
WR: Chase, Waddle, AJB, Mike Evans, Michael Thomas, Rashid Shaheed
TE: Waller, Chig, Njoku
12 team .5 PPR league
1 Qb, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB/WR/TE
QB: Herbert, Tannehill
RB: Josh Jacobs, Dobbins, Charbs, Ford
WR: Chase, Waddle, AJB, Mike Evans, Michael Thomas, Rashid Shaheed
TE: Waller, Chig, Njoku
Re: This could we WAAAY to early, but has Mike Williams finally turned the corner??
Yes.
But I can't help but feel like this is like Freddy from Elm Street. His bad days are never dead, they're just waiting to come cut you up 6 more times in a row.
But I can't help but feel like this is like Freddy from Elm Street. His bad days are never dead, they're just waiting to come cut you up 6 more times in a row.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion
TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
2023 semifinals loser
Re: This could we WAAAY to early, but has Mike Williams finally turned the corner??
Yes feels unlikely, but no also feels unlikely. I guess that’s the same thing as both seem likely, but it sure feels different. And this is now a very long way of saying I guess I don’t know.
12 team. PPR. QB pass td = 6
Starters: QB(1) FLEX (RB/WR/TE)(2) RB(2) WR(3) TE(1)
QB: AR, DJones
RB: Gibby, Charb, KMiller, Akers
WR: Chase, Lamb, G Wilson, Tank Dell, Burks, Mimsy, Tutu, W Robinson, Tucker, Wicks, RBell
TE: DNjoku, Hunter Henry
Draft Picks: 2024: 1.2, 1.5, 1.11. 2025: 1st Round (2) 2nd Round (1), 2026: 1st Round (1) 2nd Round (2)
Starters: QB(1) FLEX (RB/WR/TE)(2) RB(2) WR(3) TE(1)
QB: AR, DJones
RB: Gibby, Charb, KMiller, Akers
WR: Chase, Lamb, G Wilson, Tank Dell, Burks, Mimsy, Tutu, W Robinson, Tucker, Wicks, RBell
TE: DNjoku, Hunter Henry
Draft Picks: 2024: 1.2, 1.5, 1.11. 2025: 1st Round (2) 2nd Round (1), 2026: 1st Round (1) 2nd Round (2)
Re: This could we WAAAY to early, but has Mike Williams finally turned the corner??
The new OC had reduced his adot and has put him in better position to be more consistent, I'm a buyer in the new MW.
12 Team Dyno PPR IDP '14 '15 '17 '19 Champion '16 '18 Runner Up
QB Tannehill / Goff
RB Chubb / Kamara / Hunt / J. Rob/ Latavius /
WR Justin Jefferson/DJ Moore/M. Williams/Gallup/Boyd/Renfrow
TE Fant / Kmet / Albert O /
LB B. Wagner / Martinez / D. Leonard / Milano / Long
DB Poyer/ McKinney /
DL Day / Golden /
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/FLEX RB OR WR/DE/DE/LB/LB/LB/S/S/FLEX
QB Tannehill / Goff
RB Chubb / Kamara / Hunt / J. Rob/ Latavius /
WR Justin Jefferson/DJ Moore/M. Williams/Gallup/Boyd/Renfrow
TE Fant / Kmet / Albert O /
LB B. Wagner / Martinez / D. Leonard / Milano / Long
DB Poyer/ McKinney /
DL Day / Golden /
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/FLEX RB OR WR/DE/DE/LB/LB/LB/S/S/FLEX
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Re: This could we WAAAY to early, but has Mike Williams finally turned the corner??
Exactly, this feels really different.
Team 1
12 team .5 PPR league
1 Qb, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB/WR/TE
QB: Herbert, Tannehill
RB: Josh Jacobs, Dobbins, Charbs, Ford
WR: Chase, Waddle, AJB, Mike Evans, Michael Thomas, Rashid Shaheed
TE: Waller, Chig, Njoku
12 team .5 PPR league
1 Qb, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB/WR/TE
QB: Herbert, Tannehill
RB: Josh Jacobs, Dobbins, Charbs, Ford
WR: Chase, Waddle, AJB, Mike Evans, Michael Thomas, Rashid Shaheed
TE: Waller, Chig, Njoku
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Re: This could we WAAAY to early, but has Mike Williams finally turned the corner??
Yep. He looks fantastic.
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