Trade cooper for Waller?

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Trade cooper for Waller?

Postby Bmoneyjones » Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:50 am

1.) offered my cooper for his Waller. Do you value Waller or cooper more In general...? Am I overthinking this?

2.) I also have an offer of my1.8 and a 2022 second for his TJ hockenson


Cooper was my 4th wide receiver as I have devante, Ridley, cooper, and lamb. I have no tight end and I’m competing. I can start 3wrs but can also flex out a 4th. I have 3 good rbs so I’m in a good position. Just need to figure out who to get Waller or TJ... thoughts?

Appreciate any/all help.

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Re: Trade cooper for Waller?

Postby Gator Sens » Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:58 am

As a competing team, I would be all over the Hockenson deal as it allows you to keep Cooper and strengthen your lineup overall. Great deal for you.

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Re: Trade cooper for Waller?

Postby Generic Username » Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:59 am

I’d much rather spend the picks on Hock and use Cooper as something to land RB depth/future picks

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Re: Trade cooper for Waller?

Postby never_punts » Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:27 pm

I like the side you're getting a lot in both deals
Team #1: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 4pt Pass - IDP
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX | DL, LB, DB
The Moore the Murray-er (2022 Champ 8-) )
QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd

Team #2: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 6pt Pass - TE Prem
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX
Team #2 (0-0)
QB: Murray - Allen - Winston
RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
'24 Picks: My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

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Re: Trade cooper for Waller?

Postby abloom » Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:00 pm

In a startup I probably value cooper over waller but on a competitive team, especially one with your roster I would value waller way higher than cooper.

I'd do the hock trade too I think. But I'd much rather get wallet than hock.
Tm 1
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler, T tracey
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert, T johnson
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Tm 2
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 TE), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Murray, Watson, Maye, McCarthy, R Wilson, howell
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus, Moss, Zeke,
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts, t Johnson, bell
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Tm 3
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2 TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Stafford, heinekie, flacco, browning
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Charb, Z White, R white, McLaughlin, wilson
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, watson
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Tm 4
https://www49.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0004&O=01

Tm 5
https://www45.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =07&F=0009

Tm 6
https://www46.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0013&O=07

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Re: Trade cooper for Waller?

Postby never_punts » Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:17 pm

abloom wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:00 pm In a startup I probably value cooper over waller but on a competitive team, especially one with your roster I would value waller way higher than cooper.

I'd do the hock trade too I think. But I'd much rather get wallet than hock.
I definitely prefer getting waller as well

I cannot justify Cooper over Waller, though

Cooper has never been a top5 wr, in fact his ceiling is low end wr1, a position where replacements are everywhere. The last 2 seasons waller is top 5 at a position that is nearly impossible to fill with an elite scorer. You can count on waller to essentially scores the same as cooper from a much tougher position. Elite te > wr1/2
Team #1: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 4pt Pass - IDP
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX | DL, LB, DB
The Moore the Murray-er (2022 Champ 8-) )
QB: Burrow - Lamar - Kyler
RB: Ekeler - Saquon - Gainwell
WR: Amon Ra - Hopkins - Godwin - K.Allen- QJ - Hollywood - Diontae - Shaheed- Wandale - Woods
TE: Kelce - Engram - Ferg - Chig
DL: Hunter | LB: Okereke | DB: Bynum
'24 Picks: Late 1st, Early 2nd, Late 2nd

Team #2: 12-Team - PPR - *SF* - 6pt Pass - TE Prem
25 Roster + 5 Taxi | QB, RB, 2-WR, TE, SFLX, 3-FLX
Team #2 (0-0)
QB: Murray - Allen - Winston
RB: Cook - Saquon - Mattison - Hull
WR: Diontae - Tyreek - Lockett - Higgins - Chark - TMJ - Kirk - Dell
TE: Ertz - Engram - Mayer
'24 Picks: My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

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Re: Trade cooper for Waller?

Postby abloom » Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:25 pm

never_punts wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:17 pm
abloom wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:00 pm In a startup I probably value cooper over waller but on a competitive team, especially one with your roster I would value waller way higher than cooper.

I'd do the hock trade too I think. But I'd much rather get wallet than hock.
I definitely prefer getting waller as well

I cannot justify Cooper over Waller, though

Cooper has never been a top5 wr, in fact his ceiling is low end wr1, a position where replacements are everywhere. The last 2 seasons waller is top 5 at a position that is nearly impossible to fill with an elite scorer. You can count on waller to essentially scores the same as cooper from a much tougher position. Elite te > wr1/2
Cooper is a solid wr and was the WR1 through 4 weeks last year (prior to Dak injury). He's the more valuable startup pick in my mind whereas waller is the more valuable competing piece.
Tm 1
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler, T tracey
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert, T johnson
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Tm 2
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 TE), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Murray, Watson, Maye, McCarthy, R Wilson, howell
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus, Moss, Zeke,
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts, t Johnson, bell
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Tm 3
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2 TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Stafford, heinekie, flacco, browning
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Charb, Z White, R white, McLaughlin, wilson
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, watson
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Tm 4
https://www49.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0004&O=01

Tm 5
https://www45.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =07&F=0009

Tm 6
https://www46.myfantasyleague.com/2024/ ... =0013&O=07

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Re: Trade cooper for Waller?

Postby hawk2119 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:24 pm

Both of those are great, I'd lean to the hock deal because you need that 4th WR this year to contend.

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Re: Trade cooper for Waller?

Postby Bmoneyjones » Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:28 pm

hawk2119 wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:24 pm Both of those are great, I'd lean to the hock deal because you need that 4th WR this year to contend.
Probably should have mentioned we start two rbs so I will be flexing out a rb for my flex, as I have zeke, Chubb, and CEH...

Would that change your thoughts to go Waller?


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