Way too Early 2021 Draft Thread

[Ice]

I thought the QB's last year were very close. I was a huge fan of Herbert who I thought had the highest long term upside but even though I bought him in all leagues I was still surprised at his grace under fire. Maybe Wilson is all that but I doubt he will be.

Lawrence is far above these other QB's. I do like several but Lawrence has been a prodigy since his freshman year in high school.

I get people want to sew a narrative at others expense but I am all but certain Lawrence would go 1.1 by all 32 teams and it's not really close.

Time will tell.

[wickerkat1212]

Yeah, pissed I missed Herbert in the second round in all of my drafts.

[Straycatz2]

I thought the QB's last year were very close. I was a huge fan of Herbert who I thought had the highest long term upside but even though I bought him in all leagues I was still surprised at his grace under fire. Maybe Wilson is all that but I doubt he will be.

Lawrence is far above these other QB's. I do like several but Lawrence has been a prodigy since his freshman year in high school.

How would you rank the current qb class? Any Herbert among them not named Lawrence?

[Ice]

I thought the QB's last year were very close. I was a huge fan of Herbert who I thought had the highest long term upside but even though I bought him in all leagues I was still surprised at his grace under fire. Maybe Wilson is all that but I doubt he will be.

Lawrence is far above these other QB's. I do like several but Lawrence has been a prodigy since his freshman year in high school.

How would you rank the current qb class? Any Herbert among them not named Lawrence?

Wilson; I like Wilson as the 2nd best easily. He actually reminds me a bit of Mahomes in his style of play.

Mac Jones is the most underrated and my 3rd right now. That said, I haven't had time to really evaluate Fields and Lance in depth just yet. Think Lance could move into my #3 spot.

[ThunderTung]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQKEuy_xAT4

chris simms talking about his ranking qb 2021

even if have lot of qb, starting to consider him if he's there at 1.05

The baseline starts with Rodgers and Mahomes? That is bold

I don't want to overthink this, because we're overthinking this, but could we be looking at a Herbert situation? Where we're seeing two very good QB's ahead of him (Tua/Burrow) and just slightly negating what Wilson has done/can do? I don't think his ceiling is higher than Trevor, but if Wilson went to JAX and Trevor went to NYJ then you start to question which one might have the better career.

I don't think JAX has the balls to do it. Its such a risky move, At least with Tlaw you could say consensus was wrong, if you take Wilson and he busts....thats your job on the line immediately lol

[FiremanEd]

I have to agree that the Jags are tied to Lawrence. More than any year really, this is a case where it is consensus, where if you pass, you will be killed in the media and likely by the fans, and be at significant risk immediately. It seems like an unnecessary risk to take given what Lawrence is, even if you think another QB has perhaps a little more upside. Is the lower floor worth the risk? I just don’t think they can make the move even if you feel Wilson may have an edge. It would be EXTREMELY bold.

I’m in on Wilson as a Jets fans. I really hope they don’t crush my optimism and take Fields...

[bjd5211]

Urban went to Jacksonville because of Trevor Lawrence, he's going number 1, and all this Wilson > Lawrence talk is just a media driven storyline because having an unquestioned #1 pick just isn't an interesting story. Same thing happened last year with the Burrow refusing to play for Cincinnati storyline, it was just made up to give themselves something to talk about.

[killer_of_giants]

Same thing happened last year with the Burrow refusing to play for Cincinnati storyline

he may not be using crutches at the moment if he actually did!

[bjd5211]

Same thing happened last year with the Burrow refusing to play for Cincinnati storyline

he may not be using crutches at the moment if he actually did!

It was a freak play that could happen at any given time to any player, there are terrible OLs across the league every year and that play is hardly a common occurrence.

[stoneghost28]

Yeah, pissed I missed Herbert in the second round in all of my drafts.

I've kinda settled into half pissed (why didn't I at least dart throw once the drafts had settled into the bottom end of things in 1QB), and not pissed (I just suck at evaluating QB's).

Since 2010 QB evaluation of the consensus QB's is just incredibly hit and miss, as you see about those posts regarding how few are still with their original drafting team, how many aren't starters etc, but in general, it's just not an easy process and the best I can do, is rather than pretend I know exactly what I'm seeing, just try and note why I was wrong about some guys:

Darnold: there were warning signs his final year at USC

Watson: I was totally sold until his velocity drill, I no longer pay any attention whatsoever to that drill.

Tua: Maybe I should've taken the injury more seriously, even though it's early.

Josh Allen: I guess you can learn to be accurate, maybe? Regardless as a runner, he was worth investing in. At worst he was a potential Cam Newton 2.0. Should've noted that.

Herbert: That last year Dan Marino Subpar Rule. Pay attention to that, Herbert was the consensus #2 QB going into the fall of '19, should've meant more than it did.

And also feel good about the one's I probably got right:

There was only one QB in '19 worth drafting.

The top of the '16 class was mega-overdrafted. Ignore need based QB selections who don't merit the love (which is why other than at a major discount, I totally ignored Jones and Haskins three years later).

Trubisky never made sense.

Mahomes is a stud, Baker is a good QB.


And remain confused about ones that just don't make sense to me:

Winston was sooo good at FSU it's been so confusing to see him be an interception machine in the pros.

I still don't know what went wrong with Josh Rosen but there is a lesson in it: while it's probably fine to ignore situation with RB's and WR's long term, with QB's, situation is generally key. If they land in the wrong situation they're almost always screwed. Rosen landed in back to back nightmares, and is now suffering for it. It's not a coincidence that most of the busts landed with teams that fired their coaches and generally sucked F.O. and/or Owner on downward.

If you think about it:

Darnold to the Jets

Rosen to the emptyheaded Cardinals and to a tanking Dolphins team.

Jones to an inept Giants team

Haskins to a desloate Redskins regime.

Most of the seeming mega busts were drafted and developed by total incompetents in terms of franchises, so perhaps we should really consider that aspect of QB landing spot.

Jacksonville looks competent so Lawrence seems find.

The Jets brought in a defensive guy when they appear set to draft a QB. So that's a minus, the organization sucks so that's another minus, whose their OC? I probably should look into that.

Then check out where Fields/Lance in particular and Mac Jones and Trask land. Good, great, or awful?

Probably not a bad way to evaluate at least some of these guys long term.

[StripesOfKC]

Yeah, pissed I missed Herbert in the second round in all of my drafts.

I've kinda settled into half pissed (why didn't I at least dart throw once the drafts had settled into the bottom end of things in 1QB), and not pissed (I just suck at evaluating QB's).

Since 2010 QB evaluation of the consensus QB's is just incredibly hit and miss, as you see about those posts regarding how few are still with their original drafting team, how many aren't starters etc, but in general, it's just not an easy process and the best I can do, is rather than pretend I know exactly what I'm seeing, just try and note why I was wrong about some guys:

Darnold: there were warning signs his final year at USC

Watson: I was totally sold until his velocity drill, I no longer pay any attention whatsoever to that drill.

Tua: Maybe I should've taken the injury more seriously, even though it's early.

Josh Allen: I guess you can learn to be accurate, maybe? Regardless as a runner, he was worth investing in. At worst he was a potential Cam Newton 2.0. Should've noted that.

Herbert: That last year Dan Marino Subpar Rule. Pay attention to that, Herbert was the consensus #2 QB going into the fall of '19, should've meant more than it did.

And also feel good about the one's I probably got right:

There was only one QB in '19 worth drafting.

The top of the '16 class was mega-overdrafted. Ignore need based QB selections who don't merit the love (which is why other than at a major discount, I totally ignored Jones and Haskins three years later).

Trubisky never made sense.

Mahomes is a stud, Baker is a good QB.


And remain confused about ones that just don't make sense to me:

Winston was sooo good at FSU it's been so confusing to see him be an interception machine in the pros.

I still don't know what went wrong with Josh Rosen but there is a lesson in it: while it's probably fine to ignore situation with RB's and WR's long term, with QB's, situation is generally key. If they land in the wrong situation they're almost always screwed. Rosen landed in back to back nightmares, and is now suffering for it. It's not a coincidence that most of the busts landed with teams that fired their coaches and generally sucked F.O. and/or Owner on downward.

If you think about it:

Darnold to the Jets

Rosen to the emptyheaded Cardinals and to a tanking Dolphins team.

Jones to an inept Giants team

Haskins to a desloate Redskins regime.

Most of the seeming mega busts were drafted and developed by total incompetents in terms of franchises, so perhaps we should really consider that aspect of QB landing spot.

Jacksonville looks competent so Lawrence seems find.

The Jets brought in a defensive guy when they appear set to draft a QB. So that's a minus, the organization sucks so that's another minus, whose their OC? I probably should look into that.

Then check out where Fields/Lance in particular and Mac Jones and Trask land. Good, great, or awful?

Probably not a bad way to evaluate at least some of these guys long term.

Mike Lafleur--brother of Matt and from the Shanahan tree

Big determinant for the Jets will be if they can get a WR1 in free agency

[killer_of_giants]

Same thing happened last year with the Burrow refusing to play for Cincinnati storyline

he may not be using crutches at the moment if he actually did!

It was a freak play that could happen at any given time to any player, there are terrible OLs across the league every year and that play is hardly a common occurrence.

like i'd miss the chance to bleep on the bengals because of some reasonable argument!

[SStory93]

Yeah, pissed I missed Herbert in the second round in all of my drafts.

I've kinda settled into half pissed (why didn't I at least dart throw once the drafts had settled into the bottom end of things in 1QB), and not pissed (I just suck at evaluating QB's).

Since 2010 QB evaluation of the consensus QB's is just incredibly hit and miss, as you see about those posts regarding how few are still with their original drafting team, how many aren't starters etc, but in general, it's just not an easy process and the best I can do, is rather than pretend I know exactly what I'm seeing, just try and note why I was wrong about some guys:

Darnold: there were warning signs his final year at USC

Watson: I was totally sold until his velocity drill, I no longer pay any attention whatsoever to that drill.

Tua: Maybe I should've taken the injury more seriously, even though it's early.

Josh Allen: I guess you can learn to be accurate, maybe? Regardless as a runner, he was worth investing in. At worst he was a potential Cam Newton 2.0. Should've noted that.

Herbert: That last year Dan Marino Subpar Rule. Pay attention to that, Herbert was the consensus #2 QB going into the fall of '19, should've meant more than it did.

And also feel good about the one's I probably got right:

There was only one QB in '19 worth drafting.

The top of the '16 class was mega-overdrafted. Ignore need based QB selections who don't merit the love (which is why other than at a major discount, I totally ignored Jones and Haskins three years later).

Trubisky never made sense.

Mahomes is a stud, Baker is a good QB.


And remain confused about ones that just don't make sense to me:

Winston was sooo good at FSU it's been so confusing to see him be an interception machine in the pros.

I still don't know what went wrong with Josh Rosen but there is a lesson in it: while it's probably fine to ignore situation with RB's and WR's long term, with QB's, situation is generally key. If they land in the wrong situation they're almost always screwed. Rosen landed in back to back nightmares, and is now suffering for it. It's not a coincidence that most of the busts landed with teams that fired their coaches and generally sucked F.O. and/or Owner on downward.

If you think about it:

Darnold to the Jets

Rosen to the emptyheaded Cardinals and to a tanking Dolphins team.

Jones to an inept Giants team

Haskins to a desloate Redskins regime.

Most of the seeming mega busts were drafted and developed by total incompetents in terms of franchises, so perhaps we should really consider that aspect of QB landing spot.

Jacksonville looks competent so Lawrence seems find.

The Jets brought in a defensive guy when they appear set to draft a QB. So that's a minus, the organization sucks so that's another minus, whose their OC? I probably should look into that.

Then check out where Fields/Lance in particular and Mac Jones and Trask land. Good, great, or awful?

Probably not a bad way to evaluate at least some of these guys long term.

Mike Lafleur--brother of Matt and from the Shanahan tree

Big determinant for the Jets will be if they can get a WR1 in free agency

So based off this would you still consider Fields over Wilson?

Before the championship game, the talk was that Fields is every bit as good as Lawrence if not better.

Now Mormon Mahomes (Zac Wilson) is the best QB to enter the draft besides Burrows and Lawrence per PFF.

[StripesOfKC]

I've kinda settled into half pissed (why didn't I at least dart throw once the drafts had settled into the bottom end of things in 1QB), and not pissed (I just suck at evaluating QB's).

Since 2010 QB evaluation of the consensus QB's is just incredibly hit and miss, as you see about those posts regarding how few are still with their original drafting team, how many aren't starters etc, but in general, it's just not an easy process and the best I can do, is rather than pretend I know exactly what I'm seeing, just try and note why I was wrong about some guys:

Darnold: there were warning signs his final year at USC

Watson: I was totally sold until his velocity drill, I no longer pay any attention whatsoever to that drill.

Tua: Maybe I should've taken the injury more seriously, even though it's early.

Josh Allen: I guess you can learn to be accurate, maybe? Regardless as a runner, he was worth investing in. At worst he was a potential Cam Newton 2.0. Should've noted that.

Herbert: That last year Dan Marino Subpar Rule. Pay attention to that, Herbert was the consensus #2 QB going into the fall of '19, should've meant more than it did.

And also feel good about the one's I probably got right:

There was only one QB in '19 worth drafting.

The top of the '16 class was mega-overdrafted. Ignore need based QB selections who don't merit the love (which is why other than at a major discount, I totally ignored Jones and Haskins three years later).

Trubisky never made sense.

Mahomes is a stud, Baker is a good QB.


And remain confused about ones that just don't make sense to me:

Winston was sooo good at FSU it's been so confusing to see him be an interception machine in the pros.

I still don't know what went wrong with Josh Rosen but there is a lesson in it: while it's probably fine to ignore situation with RB's and WR's long term, with QB's, situation is generally key. If they land in the wrong situation they're almost always screwed. Rosen landed in back to back nightmares, and is now suffering for it. It's not a coincidence that most of the busts landed with teams that fired their coaches and generally sucked F.O. and/or Owner on downward.

If you think about it:

Darnold to the Jets

Rosen to the emptyheaded Cardinals and to a tanking Dolphins team.

Jones to an inept Giants team

Haskins to a desloate Redskins regime.

Most of the seeming mega busts were drafted and developed by total incompetents in terms of franchises, so perhaps we should really consider that aspect of QB landing spot.

Jacksonville looks competent so Lawrence seems find.

The Jets brought in a defensive guy when they appear set to draft a QB. So that's a minus, the organization sucks so that's another minus, whose their OC? I probably should look into that.

Then check out where Fields/Lance in particular and Mac Jones and Trask land. Good, great, or awful?

Probably not a bad way to evaluate at least some of these guys long term.

Mike Lafleur--brother of Matt and from the Shanahan tree

Big determinant for the Jets will be if they can get a WR1 in free agency

So based off this would you still consider Fields over Wilson?

Before the championship game, the talk was that Fields is every bit as good as Lawrence if not better.

Now Mormon Mahomes (Zac Wilson) is the best QB to enter the draft besides Burrows and Lawrence per PFF.

I always had Wilson over Fields (and Lawrence over both). I've had Lance over Fields too. For fantasy Fields>Mac because of rushing but for the NFL those two are pretty close for me too

I have never been a Fields fan

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