Diontae Johnson is...... maybe really really good?

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:25 pm

tresskid84 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:52 pm Are we doing this again???
Sorry. Guess I missed the first go-round. So, maybe?
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QB: L. Jackson, B. Purdy, T. Lance
RB: J. Mixon, N. Chubb, A. Dillon, J. Cook, K. Mitchell, J. McLaughlin, Z. Evans
WR: J. Chase, C. Godwin, D. Johnson, J. Reed, C. Tillman
TE: TJ Hockenson, D. Njoku, B. Jordan

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby CGW » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:33 pm

Shoreline Steamers wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:25 pm
tresskid84 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:52 pm Are we doing this again???
Sorry. Guess I missed the first go-round. So, maybe?
Theres a dedicated thread. Basically, 10 pages of Claypool owners saying Diontae is too inefficient to be good and Diontae owners saying hes a solid hold as a WR2 with upside due to his excellent volume.

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby Sriracha » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:42 pm

CGW wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:33 pm
Shoreline Steamers wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:25 pm
tresskid84 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:52 pm Are we doing this again???
Sorry. Guess I missed the first go-round. So, maybe?
Theres a dedicated thread. Basically, 10 pages of Claypool owners saying Diontae is too inefficient to be good and Diontae owners saying hes a solid hold as a WR2 with upside due to his excellent volume.
There's also about 6 pages of why James Washington is not a threat and why Diontae is going to breakout in 2020 :lol:

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:26 pm

CGW wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:33 pm
Shoreline Steamers wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:25 pm
tresskid84 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:52 pm Are we doing this again???
Sorry. Guess I missed the first go-round. So, maybe?
Theres a dedicated thread. Basically, 10 pages of Claypool owners saying Diontae is too inefficient to be good and Diontae owners saying hes a solid hold as a WR2 with upside due to his excellent volume.
Gotcha' and thanks. Personally, I like both Claypool and Diontae. Don't see why they can't form a nice duo and can't both be solid options as long as the Steelers get a decent replacement for Ben. Obviously different types of WR's, but both could be good. Sounds like a chocolate versus vanilla debate depending on what the poster has in their freezer.
14 Team, No-PPR, 20 Man Roster, TD Heavy, TD = 6, FG = 3, Start: QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, Flex, K, D
QB: L. Jackson, B. Purdy, T. Lance
RB: J. Mixon, N. Chubb, A. Dillon, J. Cook, K. Mitchell, J. McLaughlin, Z. Evans
WR: J. Chase, C. Godwin, D. Johnson, J. Reed, C. Tillman
TE: TJ Hockenson, D. Njoku, B. Jordan

14 Team, .5 PPR, 18 Man Roster, Rush/Rec TD = 6, Pass TD = 4, FG = 3, Start: QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, Flex, K, D
QB: L. Jackson, T. Tagovailoa
RB: B. Robinson, K. Walker, R. Stevenson, K. Herbertl
WR: C. Olave, T. Higgins, B. Aiyuk, N. Collins, Z. Flowers, M. Mims
TE: K. Pitts, D. Njoku

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby CGW » Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:36 pm

Shoreline Steamers wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:26 pm
CGW wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:33 pm
Shoreline Steamers wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:25 pm

Sorry. Guess I missed the first go-round. So, maybe?
Theres a dedicated thread. Basically, 10 pages of Claypool owners saying Diontae is too inefficient to be good and Diontae owners saying hes a solid hold as a WR2 with upside due to his excellent volume.
Gotcha' and thanks. Personally, I like both Claypool and Diontae. Don't see why they can't form a nice duo and can't both be solid options as long as the Steelers get a decent replacement for Ben. Obviously different types of WR's, but both could be good. Sounds like a chocolate versus vanilla debate depending on what the poster has in their freezer.
I agree. Almost night and day different WR who succeed in different ways for an offense that's had multiple fantasy relevant WR for decades.

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby joeday » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:16 pm

tresskid84 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:52 pm Are we doing this again???
That’s my bad. I looked through a couple pages and didn’t see anything recent but then just did a search and realized there was a longer thread.
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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby Kmani6 » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:53 pm

What’s his value in 2020 picks?
Dynasty Team 1:

10 Man, Full PPR, .2 PPC, Double Flex

QB: Kyler Murray
RB: Saquon Barkley , Breece Hall, Swift, Dobbins, Gibson, CEH
WR: Devante Adams, Tyreek Hill, Jamarr Chase, DK Metcalf, Devonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy
TE: Travis Kelce

2023 Picks: 1.4, 1.8, 2.9, 3.2, 3.6, 3.8

Dynasty Team 2:

10 Man, Half PPR, Double Flex

QB: Tua
RB: Barkley , Mixon, Javonte, Jacobs, CEH
WR: AJB, Tyreek, Lamb, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Kittle

2022 Picks: 1.5, 1.6, 2.3
2023 Picks: 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby Never Veto1 » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:43 pm

I’m selling while the hype is high
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RB - Christian McCaffrey, JK Dobbins, Tony Pollard, Jaylen Warren
WR - Odell Beckham, Adam Thielen, Allen Robinson, Donavan Peoples-Jones
TE - Mark Andrews, Jonnu Smith

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby Hottoddies » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:43 am

Kmani6 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:53 pm What’s his value in 2020 picks?
Unless you have a time machine, I'm pretty sure the value of 2020 picks have expired by now.
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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby Valhalla » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:05 am

Hottoddies wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:43 am
Kmani6 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:53 pm What’s his value in 2020 picks?
Unless you have a time machine, I'm pretty sure the value of 2020 picks have expired by now.
Maybe he does have a time machine. It can be read as:
“What’s his value in hindsight picks?”

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby CGW » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:53 am

In hindsight, I'd have him after Taylor, Swift, Dobbins, Akers, JJ, and Lamb and Herbert, Burrow, Tua in SF. So 1.07 or 1.10.

If you mean 2021 picks, probably similar. Mid 1st.

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby Kmani6 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:01 am

I was pretty tired when I posted that lol. Sorry, I meant what's his value in 2021 picks?!
Dynasty Team 1:

10 Man, Full PPR, .2 PPC, Double Flex

QB: Kyler Murray
RB: Saquon Barkley , Breece Hall, Swift, Dobbins, Gibson, CEH
WR: Devante Adams, Tyreek Hill, Jamarr Chase, DK Metcalf, Devonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy
TE: Travis Kelce

2023 Picks: 1.4, 1.8, 2.9, 3.2, 3.6, 3.8

Dynasty Team 2:

10 Man, Half PPR, Double Flex

QB: Tua
RB: Barkley , Mixon, Javonte, Jacobs, CEH
WR: AJB, Tyreek, Lamb, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Kittle

2022 Picks: 1.5, 1.6, 2.3
2023 Picks: 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby Kmani6 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:05 am

CGW wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:53 am In hindsight, I'd have him after Taylor, Swift, Dobbins, Akers, JJ, and Lamb and Herbert, Burrow, Tua in SF. So 1.07 or 1.10.

If you mean 2021 picks, probably similar. Mid 1st.
I'm an owner + believer, so I'd probably value him at a mid 1st, but I don't know that consensus would. I would take Harris, Etienne, Williams, Chase, and Smith over Diontae and I'd have him on the same level as Batemon, so 1.6ish.
Dynasty Team 1:

10 Man, Full PPR, .2 PPC, Double Flex

QB: Kyler Murray
RB: Saquon Barkley , Breece Hall, Swift, Dobbins, Gibson, CEH
WR: Devante Adams, Tyreek Hill, Jamarr Chase, DK Metcalf, Devonta Smith, Jerry Jeudy
TE: Travis Kelce

2023 Picks: 1.4, 1.8, 2.9, 3.2, 3.6, 3.8

Dynasty Team 2:

10 Man, Half PPR, Double Flex

QB: Tua
RB: Barkley , Mixon, Javonte, Jacobs, CEH
WR: AJB, Tyreek, Lamb, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Kittle

2022 Picks: 1.5, 1.6, 2.3
2023 Picks: 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby tresskid84 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:14 am

Kmani6 wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:05 am
CGW wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:53 am In hindsight, I'd have him after Taylor, Swift, Dobbins, Akers, JJ, and Lamb and Herbert, Burrow, Tua in SF. So 1.07 or 1.10.

If you mean 2021 picks, probably similar. Mid 1st.
I'm an owner + believer, so I'd probably value him at a mid 1st, but I don't know that consensus would. I would take Harris, Etienne, Williams, Chase, and Smith over Diontae and I'd have him on the same level as Batemon, so 1.6ish.
Id agree with this. Id add having waddle ahead of him though, and Williams slightly behind him in my own rankings.
2021-Orphan Rebuild, 12tm PPR, SF, 1.75 TE Prem
2 SF, 8 Flex

QB: Mayfield, Z Wilson, D Jones, Heinicke, Rudolph, Foles
RB: Herbert, Felton, Evans, Nwangwu, Calais
WR: D Smith, Waddle, Chark, J Palmer, D P-J, Raymond, Washington, Jauan, Darden, Fehoko, Smith-Marsette, C Johnson, Proche, Shi Smith, A Tate, ESB, JJAW
TE: O'Shaughnessy, Moreau, Granson, Tyree J, Hu Bryant, Hopkins, Fortson
2022 Picks: 1.01, 1.04, 1.11, 2.01, 2.09, and 3.02
2023 Picks: six 1sts, my 2nd

2021-Orphan Rebuild, 16tm PPR, SF, 1.5pr TE, DEVY:
1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 SF, 3 Flex
Draft is rookies and devy (only 2022 NFL eligible)

QB: Tua, Fields, Brissett, Foles, Purdy(D), T Morgan(D)
RB: Etienne, Gainwell, Homer, T Jones, J Hill, Ragas, Sargent, Calais, Funk,
WR: Cephus, Nico, J Palmer, Gage, Quez, P Williams, JJAW, Strachan, Proche, Lil'Jordan, Shi Smith, Fryfogle(D)
TE: Moreau, Maxx, H Long, RSJ, Tyree J
2022 Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 2.12, 3.02, 3.07, 3.10, 3.11, 3.12, 3.15, 4.01, 4.02, 4.05, 4.07, 4.12, 4.15

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Re: Diontae Johnson?

Postby CGW » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:54 am

Sounds about right for 2021. I think when juju moves his value will bump up for those looking to sell prior to the 2021 draft.


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