Way too Early 2021 Draft Thread

[honcho55]

It's not a death sentence especially at his size. Lateral movement, agility,vision,contact balance are all more important than straight line speed for a rb and Harris has all those in spades. CEH,James Robinson,Lev Bell,Ingram,Blount,Foster all ran 4.6 or higher and Gore, Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis all ran 4.59 at the combine.

I think a RB refusing to run a 40 is like a QB not wanting to throw , it was tank his draft stock worse than running a 4.6 . I don't think any NFL teams are expecting him to run super fast.

For what it’s worth I meant over 4.6- that was a typo.

Maybe that’s the case that skipping would drop him farther, but some of the guys you mentioned (Robinson, Foster, Blount) went undrafted.

Maybe if he’s consistently running 4.60-4.62 it’s no big deal and he should just run. If he’s closer to 4.7 than to 4.6 I still say he should probably skip.

4.7 would be a disaster, I don't think he is a burner by any means but I also don't think he is 4.7 slow. I'm looking forward to seeing how fast some of these guys are . I think Hubbard will run in the 4.3's , Etienne 4.4, Williams 4.5,Harris high 4.5 or low 4.6. Gainwell and Carter are the 2 guys im most curious about because they lack size of prototype workhorse rb's .

Hubbard sub 4.4? I dunno that I see that.

Since we are talking about guys that shouldn’t run, I don’t think ettienne helps himself unless he can have a very low, or sub 4.4.

Guys like Williams, Harris, Carter, need to try to get close to 4.5 flat

[OhCruelestRanter]

I think at the end of the day 40 times is an incredibly overrated measurement for RB's. The only relevance it has to us is that it can affect their adp. Anything under 4.6 for RB's is perfectly fine. I don't need my RB's to break off 90 yard runs if they can consistently pick up 4-8 on every carry, and your 40 yard dash is not the measurable that determines whether or not they can accomplish that

This is demonstrably untrue. The 40 when adjusted for weight, is one of the few productive metrics we have for rushing success.

Source: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat ... score-2020

So you started Anthonthy MacFarland and Darrynton Evans all season then? It is a piece of the equation, but the end all IMO

That’s a bad faith argument. At absolutely no point did I even approach suggesting that it is the “end all.” I agree with you that it is “a piece of the equation” which is a dramatically different stance than “an incredibly overrated measurement.”

I’ve come to expect better than this from you, Murph.

[murphysxm]

This is demonstrably untrue. The 40 when adjusted for weight, is one of the few productive metrics we have for rushing success.

Source: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat ... score-2020

So you started Anthonthy MacFarland and Darrynton Evans all season then? It is a piece of the equation, but the end all IMO

That’s a bad faith argument. At absolutely no point did I even approach suggesting that it is the “end all.” I agree with you that it is “a piece of the equation” which is a dramatically different stance than “an incredibly overrated measurement.”

I’ve come to expect better than this from you, Murph.

Fair enough, demonstrably untrue came across as a tad heavy handed to me

[KingsKing]

For what it’s worth I meant over 4.6- that was a typo.

Maybe that’s the case that skipping would drop him farther, but some of the guys you mentioned (Robinson, Foster, Blount) went undrafted.

Maybe if he’s consistently running 4.60-4.62 it’s no big deal and he should just run. If he’s closer to 4.7 than to 4.6 I still say he should probably skip.

4.7 would be a disaster, I don't think he is a burner by any means but I also don't think he is 4.7 slow. I'm looking forward to seeing how fast some of these guys are . I think Hubbard will run in the 4.3's , Etienne 4.4, Williams 4.5,Harris high 4.5 or low 4.6. Gainwell and Carter are the 2 guys im most curious about because they lack size of prototype workhorse rb's .

Hubbard sub 4.4? I dunno that I see that.

Since we are talking about guys that shouldn’t run, I don’t think ettienne helps himself unless he can have a very low, or sub 4.4.

Guys like Williams, Harris, Carter, need to try to get close to 4.5 flat

Hubbard is really fast, he was a track star before football. He is thinly built and a bit stiff but in a straight line he is very fast.

[honcho55]

4.7 would be a disaster, I don't think he is a burner by any means but I also don't think he is 4.7 slow. I'm looking forward to seeing how fast some of these guys are . I think Hubbard will run in the 4.3's , Etienne 4.4, Williams 4.5,Harris high 4.5 or low 4.6. Gainwell and Carter are the 2 guys im most curious about because they lack size of prototype workhorse rb's .

Hubbard sub 4.4? I dunno that I see that.

Since we are talking about guys that shouldn’t run, I don’t think ettienne helps himself unless he can have a very low, or sub 4.4.

Guys like Williams, Harris, Carter, need to try to get close to 4.5 flat

Hubbard is really fast, he was a track star before football. He is thinly built and a bit stiff but in a straight line he is very fast.

Hmm. Nice.

His personal best 100meter listed are 10.69, that’s circa 2016. Could’ve gotten slower or faster since. There’s no super reliable way to extrapolate a 40 time, but that does indeed seem right around a 4.4

I’d say he would shoot up boards if he posted something in the 4.3s, warranted or not.

[KingsKing]

Hubbard sub 4.4? I dunno that I see that.

Since we are talking about guys that shouldn’t run, I don’t think ettienne helps himself unless he can have a very low, or sub 4.4.

Guys like Williams, Harris, Carter, need to try to get close to 4.5 flat

Hubbard is really fast, he was a track star before football. He is thinly built and a bit stiff but in a straight line he is very fast.

Hmm. Nice.

His personal best 100meter listed are 10.69, that’s circa 2016. Could’ve gotten slower or faster since. There’s no super reliable way to extrapolate a 40 time, but that does indeed seem right around a 4.4

I’d say he would shoot up boards if he posted something in the 4.3s, warranted or not.

His personal best was 10.55 in high school, fwiw Riggs ran a 10.42

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Hubbard is really fast, he was a track star before football. He is thinly built and a bit stiff but in a straight line he is very fast.

Hmm. Nice.

His personal best 100meter listed are 10.69, that’s circa 2016. Could’ve gotten slower or faster since. There’s no super reliable way to extrapolate a 40 time, but that does indeed seem right around a 4.4

I’d say he would shoot up boards if he posted something in the 4.3s, warranted or not.

His personal best was 10.55 in high school, fwiw Riggs ran a 10.53

[KingsKing]

Hmm. Nice.

His personal best 100meter listed are 10.69, that’s circa 2016. Could’ve gotten slower or faster since. There’s no super reliable way to extrapolate a 40 time, but that does indeed seem right around a 4.4

I’d say he would shoot up boards if he posted something in the 4.3s, warranted or not.

His personal best was 10.55 in high school, fwiw Riggs ran a 10.53

Lol, damn auto correct got me Ruggs

[MFundercover]

I've seen a lot of varying rankings for Chuba Hubbard. If he falls all the way to the bottom of round 2, or even early round 3 as I've see in some places, I'd be all over it. He had a bad 2020 but I think that's a knee jerk reaction. Though I've also seen him go in the early 2nd.

[Sriracha]

Jaylen Waddle is who people wanted Ruggs to be.

[Pullo Vision]

Is Ruggs already past tense?

[Nanananananana]

I've seen a lot of varying rankings for Chuba Hubbard. If he falls all the way to the bottom of round 2, or even early round 3 as I've see in some places, I'd be all over it. He had a bad 2020 but I think that's a knee jerk reaction. Though I've also seen him go in the early 2nd.

Rich mans Tevin Coleman, hope he goes to Arizona, San Fran or the Jets.

[YouMightDieTryin]

Is Ruggs already past tense?

Not yet.

Henry Rugged.

Now he is past tense.

[SoftwoodGrampian]

He got the Rugg pulled from ’neath him

[Sriracha]

Is Ruggs already past tense?

All I'm saying is that Waddle looks a lot more like Tyreek than Ruggs ever did.