Way too Early 2021 Draft Thread

[murphysxm]

I think he is a gamble no doubt but I'd role the dice on him anyway because the only thing people can say bad about him is his BMI.

My 15 year old son is bigger, that is my only concern. Kid has balled, just worry he is the next Hollywood Brown, who is tough to trust. I am am all in on Chase, so doubt I will be presented the decision to draft him, but I would have pause.

Brown measured in at 5'9" 166 at the combine. I bet Smith ends up being 6'1" 180+. That's a lot closer to Calvin Ridley. People had the same concerns about him pre combine.

If he measures 6'1" 180 I will re-evaluate. My eye test tells me he will come in below each number. when he stands next to a 5'6" Nick Saban, he doesn't exactky tower over him. I have been wrong before though

[stoneghost28]

So how would people Tier out say, the top 15-20 guys in 1QB and Superflex/2QB at this point? Curious what people's boards look like.

[yinzername]

So how would people Tier out say, the top 15-20 guys in 1QB and Superflex/2QB at this point? Curious what people's boards look like.

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[cantguardjake]

So how would people Tier out say, the top 15-20 guys in 1QB and Superflex/2QB at this point? Curious what people's boards look like.

Unlike last year I’ve found there’s a pretty clear top 10 or so wide receivers, but personally finding it hard to rank them. I’ve grouped the tiers based on their physical profile this year as a start (outside of Chase who is my clear #1).

Smaller:
Smith
Waddle
Rondale Moore
Dyami Brown
Olave

Bigger:
Terry
Marshall
Bateman

Midsize:
Toney
Wallace

+ Chase are the top receivers for me, how the different groups actually rank against each other to form tiers though

Draft capital / landing spot will probably shape my rankings more than ever, but that’s kind of how I feel about each prospect within their grouping (obviously a bit higher on Terry than most and lower on Bateman, but that’s more being high on Terry).

[Sriracha]

So how would people Tier out say, the top 15-20 guys in 1QB and Superflex/2QB at this point? Curious what people's boards look like.

Unlike last year I’ve found there’s a pretty clear top 10 or so wide receivers, but personally finding it hard to rank them. I’ve grouped the tiers based on their physical profile this year as a start (outside of Chase who is my clear #1).

Smaller:
Smith
Waddle
Rondale Moore
Dyami Brown
Olave

Bigger:
Terry
Marshall
Bateman

Midsize:
Toney
Wallace

+ Chase are the top receivers for me, how the different groups actually rank against each other to form tiers though

Draft capital / landing spot will probably shape my rankings more than ever, but that’s kind of how I feel about each prospect within their grouping (obviously a bit higher on Terry than most and lower on Bateman, but that’s more being high on Terry).

A lot can and will change before the draft but right now I've got:

Ja'marr
Devonta

Rondale Moore
Bateman


Waddle
Terrace Marshall
Tamorrion

Toney
Olave

Dyami Brown

COVID season really makes it hard to evaluate Terrace Marshall and Tamorrion Terry. Both of them have super star potential given their physical traits... but fairly low sample sizes. Marshall played 3rd fiddle to Justin Jefferson and Ja'marr Chase.. so no qualms about his late breakout from me and he looks the part. Tamorrion.. just wow. 6'4 209 blazer, sophomore breakout. Probably not talked about enough, I could see him being a surprise 1st round pick.

Toney and Olave are solid, solid players.. but I don't see Alpha WR in their range of outcomes. Toney's definitely a playmaker.. but would've liked to see more downfield routes out of him, and in general I'm not a fan of tepid Senior breakouts.

[Ice]

Devonta Smith is as close to a consensus #1 WR we have seen in years.

He looks awesome. Not great size but looks unstoppable. He will most likely go top 5 in the NFL draft.

Looks like another pretty strong WR class overall.

[bjd5211]

Devonta Smith is as close to a consensus #1 WR we have seen in years.

He looks awesome. Not great size but looks unstoppable. He will most likely go top 5 in the NFL draft.

Looks like another pretty strong WR class overall.

Except a lot of people (if not a majority) have Ja'marr Chase as WR1 in the class, so Smith definitely isn't a "consensus" #1 WR.

[dynastyninja]

Devonta Smith is as close to a consensus #1 WR we have seen in years.

He looks awesome. Not great size but looks unstoppable. He will most likely go top 5 in the NFL draft.

Looks like another pretty strong WR class overall.

Except a lot of people (if not a majority) have Ja'marr Chase as WR1 in the class, so Smith definitely isn't a "consensus" #1 WR.

Agreed, I feel like I'll probably have Chase above Smith, but they're close enough that it's not a consensus.

[briank]

My 15 year old son is bigger, that is my only concern. Kid has balled, just worry he is the next Hollywood Brown, who is tough to trust. I am am all in on Chase, so doubt I will be presented the decision to draft him, but I would have pause.

Brown measured in at 5'9" 166 at the combine. I bet Smith ends up being 6'1" 180+. That's a lot closer to Calvin Ridley. People had the same concerns about him pre combine.

If he measures 6'1" 180 I will re-evaluate. My eye test tells me he will come in below each number. when he stands next to a 5'6" Nick Saban, he doesn't exactky tower over him. I have been wrong before though

He's listed at 6'1" 175. I know listings aren't always accurate, but I can't imagine he comes in much below that. I'd bet he's a lot closer to his listed height and weight than what Marquise Brown measured in at. He's got some time to put on good weight.

[YouMightDieTryin]

Combine, draft, and most importantly 3 cone drill will all be big factors. I do enjoy Smith potentially pushing into the top 4 spots. Makes my 1.04 not seem as questionable. And if someone wants to take him above me I'd love to land any of the other 3 easily.

[cantguardjake]

So how would people Tier out say, the top 15-20 guys in 1QB and Superflex/2QB at this point? Curious what people's boards look like.

Unlike last year I’ve found there’s a pretty clear top 10 or so wide receivers, but personally finding it hard to rank them. I’ve grouped the tiers based on their physical profile this year as a start (outside of Chase who is my clear #1).

Smaller:
Smith
Waddle
Rondale Moore
Dyami Brown
Olave

Bigger:
Terry
Marshall
Bateman

Midsize:
Toney
Wallace

+ Chase are the top receivers for me, how the different groups actually rank against each other to form tiers though

Draft capital / landing spot will probably shape my rankings more than ever, but that’s kind of how I feel about each prospect within their grouping (obviously a bit higher on Terry than most and lower on Bateman, but that’s more being high on Terry).

A lot can and will change before the draft but right now I've got:

Ja'marr
Devonta

Rondale Moore
Bateman


Waddle
Terrace Marshall
Tamorrion

Toney
Olave

Dyami Brown

COVID season really makes it hard to evaluate Terrace Marshall and Tamorrion Terry. Both of them have super star potential given their physical traits... but fairly low sample sizes. Marshall played 3rd fiddle to Justin Jefferson and Ja'marr Chase.. so no qualms about his late breakout from me and he looks the part. Tamorrion.. just wow. 6'4 209 blazer, sophomore breakout. Probably not talked about enough, I could see him being a surprise 1st round pick.

Toney and Olave are solid, solid players.. but I don't see Alpha WR in their range of outcomes. Toney's definitely a playmaker.. but would've liked to see more downfield routes out of him, and in general I'm not a fan of tepid Senior breakouts.

If I had to rank them mine would be pretty similar:

Chase

Devonta
Terry

Waddle
Rondale
Terrace

Bateman
Toney

Olave
Dyami
Wallace

Personally don’t love the idea of having to spend a top 4 pick on Smith, but he is solid. I’m expecting Terry to have a Mims like rise after he blows up his athletic testing. Has pretty bad drop issues so will be interesting to see how his draft capital looks, anything outside of round 3 and he drops massively (like Hakeem Butler, but I feel he’s a much better receiver than Butler was in every aspect).

Agree on Toney and Olave, personally really like Toney but he probably won’t ever be a top 12 guy but I think he can be a serviceable flex which is fine for his current ADP - he came on massively this year and looks like he has the tools to develop further (massive X factor about him IMO).

Bateman is a little overrated for me at the moment. Like Tyler Johnson, he looks slightly slow to me and not as big as he’s listed - athletic testing the most important for him and if it goes well I’ll move him up for sure.

Hopefully the senior bowl reps are filmed this year, they are always useful.

[bjd5211]

RBs Zamir White (UGA) and Max Borghi (WSU) both staying in school, both were potentially in the mix of tier 2 RBs in this relatively weak RB class.

[Cameron Giles]

If he measures 6'1" 180 I will re-evaluate. My eye test tells me he will come in below each number. when he stands next to a 5'6" Nick Saban, he doesn't exactky tower over him. I have been wrong before though

That will probably be what he weighs in at. Maybe 185-190 if he puts on muscle. He has a frame similar to Robby Anderson.

To me, the concerns about his weight are overplayed. You don't need to look like a bodybuilder to play the WR position anymore. Cole freaking Beasley almost had a 1000 yard season this year, and he's 5'8, 175 on a good day.

[cantguardjake]

RBs Zamir White (UGA) and Max Borghi (WSU) both staying in school, both were potentially in the mix of tier 2 RBs in this relatively weak RB class.

Smart by both of them, both had a bit of work to do.

For me there’s 5 decent backs the obvious in Najee, Etienne, Williams and Sermon as well as Kylin Hill who everyone seems to have forgotten about.

Not as big on Najee as the consensus, would prefer Etienne and Williams at the price but he’s still solid.

Jermar Jefferson, Gainwell etc don’t really interest me. Javian Hawkins maybe for a late pick, he has some juice if he weighs in well.

[cantguardjake]

If he measures 6'1" 180 I will re-evaluate. My eye test tells me he will come in below each number. when he stands next to a 5'6" Nick Saban, he doesn't exactky tower over him. I have been wrong before though

That will probably be what he weighs in at. Maybe 185-190 if he puts on muscle. He has a frame similar to Robby Anderson.

To me, the concerns about his weight are overplayed. You don't need to look like a bodybuilder to play the WR position anymore. Cole freaking Beasley almost had a 1000 yard season this year, and he's 5'8, 175 on a good day.

That’s why people are talking about BMI, Beasley is over 3 inches shorter than Smith but weighs the same, it’s not really comparable.

Smiths upper body actual looks solid as it is, his legs are just twigs.

He’s going to look like Dede Westbrook on the field, granted I think he’s obviously better but he was a Heisman finalist and Biletnikoff winner himself, it’s a genuine concern that players with their BMI don’t tend to do to well in the NFL.