Way too Early 2021 Draft Thread

[ThunderTung]

Right here, opinion hasn't changed . Am I supposed to be impressed he took a hit playing football and stayed in the game? . I implied his softness was more mental than physical anyways , I don't think I ever said anything about him not being able to take a hit, I said he seemed fragile in his head. He played good today, full credit. Ohio was on a mission and blew Clemson out of the water. I've been wrong on prospects before and this is a long term game, he could turn out to be the greatest qb to ever play the game but I stand by what I said. I like Lawrence and Wilson better and Mac Jones is no slouch either, Lance is an interesting prospect but very raw. Pre draft and before all the declarations and landing spots are determined I rank them

1.Lawrence
2.Wilson
3.Fields
4.Jones
5.Lance

That hit? yes lmao. Dude took a helmet to the ribs at full speed. I can't even imagine how excruciating it was to throw after that. Not only Is the physical toughness impressive, but the mental toughness to ignore it is impressive. You don't have to believe in the guy, I don't think one good performance makes him a lock to be a superstar or anything, but don't discount what he did last night

I agree but you are sort of doing the same thing King is doing, some hits look massive yet players don't seem fazed at all, other times a player will get what looks like a small bump and bam! Broken ribs. It did look like it must have done some sort of damage but who knows.
Fields did do a great job silencing all the reactionary viewers from a couple of bad games, his over all body of work in college has been been great and NFL teams will likely view it accordingly. I fully expect him to go 2nd over all whether it's to the Jets or a trade partner.

Unless fields is just an incredible actor, you could tell he was in a lot of pain. im sure the drugs at the half helped, still doesn't make you invincible though

[saw061600]

I admittedly haven't dug into the research on this draft class yet but the Fields hate is starting to feel eerily similar to the Herbert hate. That didn't work out so well for many.

[Pullo Vision]

I admittedly haven't dug into the research on this draft class yet but the Fields hate is starting to feel eerily similar to the Herbert hate. That didn't work out so well for many.

There were reasons to ding/dismiss Herbert, but one thing I'm taking away from him is to be willing to take the value gamble. In some of my deeper non SF leagues, he went mid/late 3rd.

[AussieMate]

I admittedly haven't dug into the research on this draft class yet but the Fields hate is starting to feel eerily similar to the Herbert hate. That didn't work out so well for many.

There were reasons to ding/dismiss Herbert, but one thing I'm taking away from him is to be willing to take the value gamble. In some of my deeper non SF leagues, he went mid/late 3rd.

I never looked too much into Herbert in college but from what I've read he's done things that no one (or close enough) saw coming. Even analyst I've heard who liked him a lot were shocked about his rise, something about showing traits that he never did in college, or potentially never got the opportunity to show.
I don't think Fields hate can be compared to Herbert's as they come from different directions.

[ravn88]

That hit? yes lmao. Dude took a helmet to the ribs at full speed. I can't even imagine how excruciating it was to throw after that. Not only Is the physical toughness impressive, but the mental toughness to ignore it is impressive. You don't have to believe in the guy, I don't think one good performance makes him a lock to be a superstar or anything, but don't discount what he did last night

I agree but you are sort of doing the same thing King is doing, some hits look massive yet players don't seem fazed at all, other times a player will get what looks like a small bump and bam! Broken ribs. It did look like it must have done some sort of damage but who knows.
Fields did do a great job silencing all the reactionary viewers from a couple of bad games, his over all body of work in college has been been great and NFL teams will likely view it accordingly. I fully expect him to go 2nd over all whether it's to the Jets or a trade partner.

Unless fields is just an incredible actor, you could tell he was in a lot of pain. im sure the drugs at the half helped, still doesn't make you invincible though

I just saw the the highlits from the Ohio-Clemson game, i dont know the rules apparently, can someone explane why there was a penalty on that hit ?

I see it as Fields going forward, the defender goes for the tackel and then at the end Field turns to the side.

That hit in the back is his own fault right?

[bjd5211]

Clemson LB lowered his head and led with the crown of his helmet, this is considered "targeting" in CFB. It was a questionable call, that probably wouldn't have been made if Fields didn't get hurt. It's an extremely subjective rule, and one that while well intentioned is not at all consistently officiated.

[smbkrypt24]

I agree but you are sort of doing the same thing King is doing, some hits look massive yet players don't seem fazed at all, other times a player will get what looks like a small bump and bam! Broken ribs. It did look like it must have done some sort of damage but who knows.
Fields did do a great job silencing all the reactionary viewers from a couple of bad games, his over all body of work in college has been been great and NFL teams will likely view it accordingly. I fully expect him to go 2nd over all whether it's to the Jets or a trade partner.

Unless fields is just an incredible actor, you could tell he was in a lot of pain. im sure the drugs at the half helped, still doesn't make you invincible though

I just saw the the highlits from the Ohio-Clemson game, i dont know the rules apparently, can someone explane why there was a penalty on that hit ?

I see it as Fields going forward, the defender goes for the tackel and then at the end Field turns to the side.

That hit in the back is his own fault right?

I think it was a weak call. If Fields would have been sliding I could see making that call, but he was still running when he was hit by the LB.

[ThunderTung]

I agree but you are sort of doing the same thing King is doing, some hits look massive yet players don't seem fazed at all, other times a player will get what looks like a small bump and bam! Broken ribs. It did look like it must have done some sort of damage but who knows.
Fields did do a great job silencing all the reactionary viewers from a couple of bad games, his over all body of work in college has been been great and NFL teams will likely view it accordingly. I fully expect him to go 2nd over all whether it's to the Jets or a trade partner.

Unless fields is just an incredible actor, you could tell he was in a lot of pain. im sure the drugs at the half helped, still doesn't make you invincible though

I just saw the the highlits from the Ohio-Clemson game, i dont know the rules apparently, can someone explane why there was a penalty on that hit ?

I see it as Fields going forward, the defender goes for the tackel and then at the end Field turns to the side.

That hit in the back is his own fault right?

its because the defenders head was down. had it been his facemask that made contact instead of the top of the helmet, he would have been fine.

Also because (lets be honest here) it was the QB and he got hurt, I don't think that's an insignificant piece

[ravn88]

Unless fields is just an incredible actor, you could tell he was in a lot of pain. im sure the drugs at the half helped, still doesn't make you invincible though

I just saw the the highlits from the Ohio-Clemson game, i dont know the rules apparently, can someone explane why there was a penalty on that hit ?

I see it as Fields going forward, the defender goes for the tackel and then at the end Field turns to the side.

That hit in the back is his own fault right?

its because the defenders head was down. had it been his facemask that made contact instead of the top of the helmet, he would have been fine.

Also because (lets be honest here) it was the QB and he got hurt, I don't think that's an insignificant piece

So every tackel where the defender uses his helmet is a violent hit ?

[ThunderTung]

I just saw the the highlits from the Ohio-Clemson game, i dont know the rules apparently, can someone explane why there was a penalty on that hit ?

I see it as Fields going forward, the defender goes for the tackel and then at the end Field turns to the side.

That hit in the back is his own fault right?

its because the defenders head was down. had it been his facemask that made contact instead of the top of the helmet, he would have been fine.

Also because (lets be honest here) it was the QB and he got hurt, I don't think that's an insignificant piece

So every tackel where the defender uses his helmet is a violent hit ?

under the rules yea lol, the only reason it was called was because fields got hurt during it. Remember they didn't flag it originally, they went and looked at it again. Had fields been fine they probably wouldn't have done that at all

[OhCruelestRanter]

I admittedly haven't dug into the research on this draft class yet but the Fields hate is starting to feel eerily similar to the Herbert hate. That didn't work out so well for many.

There were reasons to ding/dismiss Herbert, but one thing I'm taking away from him is to be willing to take the value gamble. In some of my deeper non SF leagues, he went mid/late 3rd.

I never looked too much into Herbert in college but from what I've read he's done things that no one (or close enough) saw coming. Even analyst I've heard who liked him a lot were shocked about his rise, something about showing traits that he never did in college, or potentially never got the opportunity to show.
I don't think Fields hate can be compared to Herbert's as they come from different directions.

Count me as one of these people. I thought Herbert was much closer to Burrow and Tua than most people were giving him credit for, given that he started for roughly three years all told, had good functional mobility, and went early in the draft to a good situation despite not playing with a bunch of NFL talent. I had no idea he would be this good this soon.

Fields is a different prospect. He’s only played for two years, but he’s been great during those two years, but his teammates have been outstanding as well. I’ve done no research at this point into Wilson, but I like that he’s a three year starter, and I’m concerned that BYU doesn’t play great competition.

I also hope Fields runs at the combine. I’d like to know how fast he is.

[Krypto_King]

So every tackel where the defender uses his helmet is a violent hit ?

if you try to use your imaginary rhino horn, yea. He risked a significant head/neck injury to himself, now imagine if Fields had ducked his head as well... process over results.

[Mjvb5]

So every tackel where the defender uses his helmet is a violent hit ?

if you try to use your imaginary rhino horn, yea. He risked a significant head/neck injury to himself, now imagine if Fields had ducked his head as well... process over results.

Yup leading with the front of your face is fine thats a proper form tackle , leading with the top of your head..... yeah thats how people were snapping there spine if your head goes down. It's a rule Moreso to protect the tacklers than the guy getting hit

[AussieMate]

There were reasons to ding/dismiss Herbert, but one thing I'm taking away from him is to be willing to take the value gamble. In some of my deeper non SF leagues, he went mid/late 3rd.

I never looked too much into Herbert in college but from what I've read he's done things that no one (or close enough) saw coming. Even analyst I've heard who liked him a lot were shocked about his rise, something about showing traits that he never did in college, or potentially never got the opportunity to show.
I don't think Fields hate can be compared to Herbert's as they come from different directions.

Count me as one of these people. I thought Herbert was much closer to Burrow and Tua than most people were giving him credit for, given that he started for roughly three years all told, had good functional mobility, and went early in the draft to a good situation despite not playing with a bunch of NFL talent. I had no idea he would be this good this soon.

Fields is a different prospect. He’s only played for two years, but he’s been great during those two years, but his teammates have been outstanding as well. I’ve done no research at this point into Wilson, but I like that he’s a three year starter, and I’m concerned that BYU doesn’t play great competition.

I also hope Fields runs at the combine. I’d like to know how fast he is.

Remind me to check your QB rankings come July hahaha, one guy I'm looking more into is Chris Simms, seems to have been a controversial rankings in the past but his rankings look better and better as the players careers flesh out.

FYI I have been a big Wilson fan for over 1 1/2 years now, I also really enjoyed someone say he looked like a mix of Johnny Manziel and Patty Mahomes which just tickled the hell out of me, I don't even know how that would work as a comp but it was funny anyway.

[Sriracha]

I never looked too much into Herbert in college but from what I've read he's done things that no one (or close enough) saw coming. Even analyst I've heard who liked him a lot were shocked about his rise, something about showing traits that he never did in college, or potentially never got the opportunity to show.
I don't think Fields hate can be compared to Herbert's as they come from different directions.

Count me as one of these people. I thought Herbert was much closer to Burrow and Tua than most people were giving him credit for, given that he started for roughly three years all told, had good functional mobility, and went early in the draft to a good situation despite not playing with a bunch of NFL talent. I had no idea he would be this good this soon.

Fields is a different prospect. He’s only played for two years, but he’s been great during those two years, but his teammates have been outstanding as well. I’ve done no research at this point into Wilson, but I like that he’s a three year starter, and I’m concerned that BYU doesn’t play great competition.

I also hope Fields runs at the combine. I’d like to know how fast he is.

Remind me to check your QB rankings come July hahaha, one guy I'm looking more into is Chris Simms, seems to have been a controversial rankings in the past but his rankings look better and better as the players careers flesh out.

FYI I have been a big Wilson fan for over 1 1/2 years now, I also really enjoyed someone say he looked like a mix of Johnny Manziel and Patty Mahomes which just tickled the hell out of me, I don't even know how that would work as a comp but it was funny anyway.

He's got a different take on players, but I'd hesitate to say he's that much better than anyone else.

Still good to look at for a different perspective. When people were calling JJ a slot receiver he was quick to point out that he played primarily outside the year before for instance. When people were bemoaning DK's 3 cone, he said it won't matter given his elite downfield traits.

He missed big on Michael Thomas, AJB, though