Collusion or not

[Silver&Black]

Here's the situation in my league.
Team A has Ezekial Elliot (RB) and Christian McCaffrey as his running backs. Zeke has a bye week and CMC is injured, so he has no RB. He has a a starting tight end and an extra tight end that can play that week.

Team B has Jamaal Williams (RB) and James Robinson (RB) on his team, who will both play that week. Team B starting TE is on bye and he needs a tight end.

Team A trades Thomas Logan (TE) to Team B. Team B trades Jamaal Williams (RB) to Team A.
Both players start for their new teams.

After scoring is done, Team A trades back Jamaal Williams (RB) to Team B. Team B trades Blake Jarwin (TE) to Team A.

Same exact trade, other than the TE's being slightly different. Team A now has Zeke back off the bye week and no longer needs Jamaal Williams. Team B has their normal starting TE back from bye for the next week.

Bonus feature: Team A is the commissioner.

[thunderTung]

100% collusion. especially considering that one of the teams is the commish. I'd be concerned with the integrity of that league going forward, especially if this issue doesn't get addressed.

[Jigga94]

I mean it seems like renting players to me, which I don't like but is there rules against trading the same player back after a week or 2?

While it seems like collusion and I don't like renting players. The player values are low and pretty equal. It's whatever to me

[usps33]

100% collusion.

[PR0v3]

Seems fine to me.

[Silver&Black]

The league has a rule against collusion, with the penalty being that any owner engaging in collusion will be removed from the league.

[The MAC Machine]

I think it’s fine because Team A received a dynasty upgrade in TE, while Team B received a better chance to compete for 1 week. That’s fair trade off in my eyes.

[qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyuj]

Not collusion for me, since it's not the same trade. If it were player renting, sure.

Sketchy? Absolutely. But it's 2 different trades, so not much you can do imo.

[thunderTung]

I think it’s fine because Team A received a dynasty upgrade in TE, while Team B received a better chance to compete for 1 week. That’s fair trade off in my eyes.

disagree. This would never be allowed in any real sports league. While I try to avoid comparing fantasy to real football, when it comes to things like league integrity, taking advantage of rules and colluding affects both leagues the same

[The MAC Machine]

I think it’s fine because Team A received a dynasty upgrade in TE, while Team B received a better chance to compete for 1 week. That’s fair trade off in my eyes.

disagree. This would never be allowed in any real sports league. While I try to avoid comparing fantasy to real football, when it comes to things like league integrity, taking advantage of rules and colluding affects both leagues the same

I think you need to look up the definition of collusion...

“secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.”

Considering the circumstances, How is this cheating?

[Silver&Black]

To put it further into perspective: Team A was playing a division rival, where both had the same record going into this week's game. Team B was also playing a division rival who averages the same score as them and is in second place.

The implications of this week's game. If Team A were to lose, they would have moved into 2nd place in their division, with the team currently below them very likely to win their remaining games and thus be the #1 team in that division. If Team B were to lose, they might move into 2nd place if they lose their next two games as well (which is very possible).

[Silver&Black]

You are getting too hung up on the exact definition of the word collusion. The principle behind the word in this situation is referring to fairness of league competition.

[thunderTung]

I think it’s fine because Team A received a dynasty upgrade in TE, while Team B received a better chance to compete for 1 week. That’s fair trade off in my eyes.

disagree. This would never be allowed in any real sports league. While I try to avoid comparing fantasy to real football, when it comes to things like league integrity, taking advantage of rules and colluding affects both leagues the same

I think you need to look up the definition of collusion...

“secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.”

Considering the circumstances, How is this cheating?

wait, you wouldn't consider this secret cooperation in order to cheat or deceive others? lol. I'm not even sure how anyone could argue that this isn't collusion. You have a team that is in a bind, so he rents a player for a week in order to get out of that bind. Unless the rules specifically say that renting players is allowed, then it has to be assumed it isn't.

[Prison_Mike]

I think it’s fine because Team A received a dynasty upgrade in TE, while Team B received a better chance to compete for 1 week. That’s fair trade off in my eyes.

disagree. This would never be allowed in any real sports league. While I try to avoid comparing fantasy to real football, when it comes to things like league integrity, taking advantage of rules and colluding affects both leagues the same

I think you need to look up the definition of collusion...

“secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.”

Considering the circumstances, How is this cheating?

I mean they did secretly cooperate to cheat others lol
Secret = their trade negotiations | cheat others = the rest of the league who wasn't renting players | illegal = as stated in the bylaws

They agreed upon a trade that would (might) buy them a win, not a trade for betterment of their teams. Evidenced by the fact that they traded the players back. Sure, we can recognize that one player was different. But I think most of us are smart enough to see what was being done here. To me, it's just a thinly veiled attempt at renting players and thus - collusion

I agree with others who said it's unlikely anything can be done since a rule wasn't technically broken; but it's still sketchy, damages league integrity, and I would expect better from my commish lol

[Silver&Black]

The rules do not say that renting players is allowed. It has been discussed several times such as in chat in the past as not being allowed, but the actual rules have never been updated to say this.

The actual rules list is outdated in some parts, with things like "**** Needs work" listed on other parts of it. AKA, not the most accurate, up-to-date, clear and concise rules.