Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby TD41 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:50 pm

bjd5211 wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:45 pm
TD41 wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:40 pm In the next couple of weeks we could be adding Eno Benjamin to the list
He's been almost as impressive as Akers.
Lmao not wrong

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby PTW32 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:05 pm

CEH
Dobbins
Swift
Taylor
Robinson
Gibson
Moss
Akers
Dillon

For the most part I dont think the guys at the top will be disappointing enough to fall alot. CEH, Dobbins and Swift have all flashed and I believe an increase of touches will be expected for all 3. JT has been fairly disappointing so far, especially this week but i believe the game will slow down for him a bit and it will only take him getting the corner and showing his speed for people to believe again.
Team 1 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 3Flex

QB: Feilds, Lance, Stafford
RB: Javonte, Charbonnet
WR: Godwin, Boyd, Aiyuk, Mingo, Downs
TE: Kincaid, Kraft, Schoonmaker

Team 2 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex
QB: Lamar, Baker
RB: Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ekeler, Sanders, Dillon, Pierce
WR: Diggs, Hill, Lockett, Addison
TE: Andrews, Hurst, Logan Thomas

Team 3 12 Team PPR (keep 16)
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3Flex

QB: Kyler, Feilds
RB: CMC, Javonte, Dobbins, Dillo, Brian Robinson
WR: AJB, Godwin, DJ Moore, Keenan, Lamb, Burks, Toney
TE: Kittle, Hockenson

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby Krypto_King » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:29 pm

we talking January or August?
my September 1st ADP prediction...

Dobbins
Taylor
CEH
Gibson
Akers
Swift
Robinson



Moss

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby jcc6fd » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:38 pm

Wow, I am shocked by how many people have CEH below any of the other rookies. I’m tempted to say you all are too highly influenced by last week alone, but I’m sure I’ll be lambasted by a bunch of justifications I don’t care to hear. All I’ll say is that CEH has been the best rookie RB this year, and I don’t see any good reason why he won’t continue into next year.

CEH
Dobbins
JT
Robinson
Swift
Gibson
Moss
Akers
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QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
TE: Kelce, J. Smith, Musgrave

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby AussieMate » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:57 pm

jcc6fd wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:38 pm Wow, I am shocked by how many people have CEH below any of the other rookies. I’m tempted to say you all are too highly influenced by last week alone, but I’m sure I’ll be lambasted by a bunch of justifications I don’t care to hear. All I’ll say is that CEH has been the best rookie RB this year, and I don’t see any good reason why he won’t continue into next year.

CEH
Dobbins
JT
Robinson
Swift
Gibson
Moss
Akers
He may arguably be the best so far but I don't think he has done enough to make his position insurmountable like you claim, I've got no issue with still having him 1 as I still have him no2, but as you don't care to hear an opposing opinion then I don't expect a reply to this :whistle:

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby CGW » Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:05 am

jcc6fd wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:38 pm Wow, I am shocked by how many people have CEH below any of the other rookies. I’m tempted to say you all are too highly influenced by last week alone, but I’m sure I’ll be lambasted by a bunch of justifications I don’t care to hear. All I’ll say is that CEH has been the best rookie RB this year, and I don’t see any good reason why he won’t continue into next year.

CEH
Dobbins
JT
Robinson
Swift
Gibson
Moss
Akers
Well I know you don't want to hear anyone else's opinion, but many of us had other backs ahead of him pre draft. He's climbed for me, but I still think Dobbins looks significantly more dynamic with his touches. I'm not voting who has had the best 2020 (it would be JR not CEH), but who we like going forward. Swift and dobbins are going to make some noise towards then end of this season, I don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it seem.
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Murray, Prescott
RB | Jeff Wilson, Pierre-Strong
WR | Adams, Olave, ARSB, Dotson, Addison
TE | Andrews, Otton, Bellinger, Likely, Okonkwo
2024 | 1st 2025 | 1stx3, 2nd, 3rdx2

10 Team | SF | PPR
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Murray, Tagovailoa, Stroud
RB | Montgomery, Swift, Dobbins, Singletary, Jamaal Williams, R. White, Davis-Price, Herbert, Miller
WR | Godwin, AJB, Lamb, D. Johnson, M. Brown, Mooney, Kirk, J. Williams, Skyy Moore, Watson
TE | Andrews, Bellinger, Dulcich
2024 | 1st, 2nd, 3rd

12 Team | SF | PPR | 1.5TEP | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF

QB | Herbert, Love, Young, Lance
RB | ETN, Pacheco, Ford, Warren
WR | ARSB, Wilson, Olave, DK, Flowers, Collins, Downs
TE | Hockenson, Dulcich, Likely, Otton
2024 | 2nd, 3rdx3, 4th

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby airforceones25 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:27 am

Draft capital boys still riding that JT train.

Robinson > JT

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby CGW » Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:48 am

airforceones25 wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:27 am Draft capital boys still riding that JT train.

Robinson > JT
Thats helpful. We will see though. Thus far, absolutely JR has had the best season. Again, this post was about the future, not week 1-8.
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Murray, Prescott
RB | Jeff Wilson, Pierre-Strong
WR | Adams, Olave, ARSB, Dotson, Addison
TE | Andrews, Otton, Bellinger, Likely, Okonkwo
2024 | 1st 2025 | 1stx3, 2nd, 3rdx2

10 Team | SF | PPR
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Murray, Tagovailoa, Stroud
RB | Montgomery, Swift, Dobbins, Singletary, Jamaal Williams, R. White, Davis-Price, Herbert, Miller
WR | Godwin, AJB, Lamb, D. Johnson, M. Brown, Mooney, Kirk, J. Williams, Skyy Moore, Watson
TE | Andrews, Bellinger, Dulcich
2024 | 1st, 2nd, 3rd

12 Team | SF | PPR | 1.5TEP | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF

QB | Herbert, Love, Young, Lance
RB | ETN, Pacheco, Ford, Warren
WR | ARSB, Wilson, Olave, DK, Flowers, Collins, Downs
TE | Hockenson, Dulcich, Likely, Otton
2024 | 2nd, 3rdx3, 4th

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby airforceones25 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:57 am

CGW wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:48 am
airforceones25 wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:27 am Draft capital boys still riding that JT train.

Robinson > JT
Thats helpful. We will see though. Thus far, absolutely JR has had the best season. Again, this post was about the future, not week 1-8.

Again people are hanging the hopes on Taylor being that guy because where they drafted him. Robinson is already that dude. Taylor continues to disappoint. He’s been handed the keys and and can’t drive. Smh

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby PTW32 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:22 am

airforceones25 wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:57 am
CGW wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:48 am
airforceones25 wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:27 am Draft capital boys still riding that JT train.

Robinson > JT
Thats helpful. We will see though. Thus far, absolutely JR has had the best season. Again, this post was about the future, not week 1-8.

Again people are hanging the hopes on Taylor being that guy because where they drafted him. Robinson is already that dude. Taylor continues to disappoint. He’s been handed the keys and and can’t drive. Smh
It doesnt matter when we drafted Taylor but it does matter where the Colts drafted Taylor compared to Robinson.

Robinson has been great but Phillip Lindsay out player Nick Chubb as rookies too.
(Although Chubb maybe a better comparison for Dobbins as far as situation in their rookie years)

But the point is that as good as Lindsay was as a rookie the Broncos still brought in Gordon to take his job. Maybe that wont happen to JRob but its still early to push him up that far in terms of expected adp going into next season.
Team 1 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2TE, 3Flex

QB: Feilds, Lance, Stafford
RB: Javonte, Charbonnet
WR: Godwin, Boyd, Aiyuk, Mingo, Downs
TE: Kincaid, Kraft, Schoonmaker

Team 2 10 Team PPR QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3Flex
QB: Lamar, Baker
RB: Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Ekeler, Sanders, Dillon, Pierce
WR: Diggs, Hill, Lockett, Addison
TE: Andrews, Hurst, Logan Thomas

Team 3 12 Team PPR (keep 16)
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3Flex

QB: Kyler, Feilds
RB: CMC, Javonte, Dobbins, Dillo, Brian Robinson
WR: AJB, Godwin, DJ Moore, Keenan, Lamb, Burks, Toney
TE: Kittle, Hockenson

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby jcc6fd » Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:48 am

AussieMate wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:57 pm
jcc6fd wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:38 pm Wow, I am shocked by how many people have CEH below any of the other rookies. I’m tempted to say you all are too highly influenced by last week alone, but I’m sure I’ll be lambasted by a bunch of justifications I don’t care to hear. All I’ll say is that CEH has been the best rookie RB this year, and I don’t see any good reason why he won’t continue into next year.

CEH
Dobbins
JT
Robinson
Swift
Gibson
Moss
Akers
He may arguably be the best so far but I don't think he has done enough to make his position insurmountable like you claim, I've got no issue with still having him 1 as I still have him no2, but as you don't care to hear an opposing opinion then I don't expect a reply to this :whistle:
Oh my goodness, I'm fine with hearing justifications for ranking him lower. What I didn't want to hear was a bunch of justifications about how this wasn't just based on last week's games, which based on the number of responses ranking Dobbins ahead of CEH appears evident to me. If this thread were created after a blow up CEH game the responses would be completely different. I'd argue the timing of the thread's creation speaks to how Dobbins/JT/CEH's week 8 performances were specifically being judged versus their whole body of work and future prospects. For the record, I've been highly critical of CEH compared to 1.06 startup value crowd.

But this is on me. My mistake was accusing people of making this about last week before letting them give reasons as to why they felt Dobbins would be better next year. I probably just shouldn't have interjected myself into this thread because I already saw the lack of value in the discussion based on recency bias.
10 Team Half PPR Scoring SF
QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
TE: Kelce, J. Smith, Musgrave

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby airforceones25 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:30 am

PTW32 wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:22 am
airforceones25 wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:57 am
CGW wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:48 am

Thats helpful. We will see though. Thus far, absolutely JR has had the best season. Again, this post was about the future, not week 1-8.

Again people are hanging the hopes on Taylor being that guy because where they drafted him. Robinson is already that dude. Taylor continues to disappoint. He’s been handed the keys and and can’t drive. Smh
It doesnt matter when we drafted Taylor but it does matter where the Colts drafted Taylor compared to Robinson.

Robinson has been great but Phillip Lindsay out player Nick Chubb as rookies too.
(Although Chubb maybe a better comparison for Dobbins as far as situation in their rookie years)

But the point is that as good as Lindsay was as a rookie the Broncos still brought in Gordon to take his job. Maybe that wont happen to JRob but its still early to push him up that far in terms of expected adp going into next season.
Just because a team drafts you in the top 2 rounds of a draft doesn't mean you get an automatic pass to suck. Here's a list of guys drafted in the top two rounds over the last 10 years. Way more flops and short leashes than success stories. I left out some fringe guys that could probably be added to this list as well but this still illustrates my point. NFL coaches and GM's are under more and more pressure everyday and they will put the best guy on the field. If Taylor continues to struggle he'll be joining the list like the countless others sooner rather than later.

Rashaad Penny, Kerryon Johnson, Derrius Guice, Tj Yeldon, Ameer Abdullah, Bishop Sankey, Jeremy Hill, Carlos Hyde, Gio Bernard, Montee Ball, Christine Michael, Trent Richardson, David Wilson, Isaiah Pead, LaMichael James, Ryan Williams, Shane Vereen, Mikel Leshoure, Daniel Thomas, Jahvid Best, Toby Gerhart, Montario Hardesty

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby Sriracha » Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:11 pm

airforceones25 wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:27 am Draft capital boys still riding that JT train.

Robinson > JT
Robinson looking a really nice power back with some hands.

JT hasn't been nearly as impressive... but the talent is still very much there. Needs to get a little more creative with his runs, and realize that he's fast as hell and a big boy. The number of times I've seen him bounce back into the teeth of the line rather than bouncing it outside to try and beat a DB is infuriating, but coachable.

He seems uncomfortable going off-script up to this point; needs to ad lib a bit more and utilize his physical advantages.

Watching the tape.. it doesn't actually look like his vision is terrible; it's the result of him refusing to go off-script and this O-line not dominating the line of scrimmage.

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby AussieMate » Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:19 pm

jcc6fd wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:48 am
AussieMate wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:57 pm
jcc6fd wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:38 pm Wow, I am shocked by how many people have CEH below any of the other rookies. I’m tempted to say you all are too highly influenced by last week alone, but I’m sure I’ll be lambasted by a bunch of justifications I don’t care to hear. All I’ll say is that CEH has been the best rookie RB this year, and I don’t see any good reason why he won’t continue into next year.

CEH
Dobbins
JT
Robinson
Swift
Gibson
Moss
Akers
He may arguably be the best so far but I don't think he has done enough to make his position insurmountable like you claim, I've got no issue with still having him 1 as I still have him no2, but as you don't care to hear an opposing opinion then I don't expect a reply to this :whistle:
Oh my goodness, I'm fine with hearing justifications for ranking him lower. What I didn't want to hear was a bunch of justifications about how this wasn't just based on last week's games, which based on the number of responses ranking Dobbins ahead of CEH appears evident to me. If this thread were created after a blow up CEH game the responses would be completely different. I'd argue the timing of the thread's creation speaks to how Dobbins/JT/CEH's week 8 performances were specifically being judged versus their whole body of work and future prospects. For the record, I've been highly critical of CEH compared to 1.06 startup value crowd.

But this is on me. My mistake was accusing people of making this about last week before letting them give reasons as to why they felt Dobbins would be better next year. I probably just shouldn't have interjected myself into this thread because I already saw the lack of value in the discussion based on recency bias.
I was one of those people who had Dobbins as their favourite back pre-draft and loved his landing spot for 2021, my main reason to have him ahead of both JT and CEH is they haven't "run away" with it like was expected, I still rate them both going forward.

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Re: Ranking the 2020 rookie rbs for 2021

Postby jenkins.math » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:04 pm

AussieMate wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:19 pm
I was one of those people who had Dobbins as their favourite back pre-draft and loved his landing spot for 2021, my main reason to have him ahead of both JT and CEH is they haven't "run away" with it like was expected, I still rate them both going forward.
CEH is averaging 4.7 yards per carry and halfway through his rookie season is on pace for 1552 yards from scrimmage. What exactly would he need to do to "run away" with it?

I can totally get on board with some of the rankings being based on a lack of updating pre-draft rankings at this point in their career, but the level of disappointment people seem to have with CEH seems to be based on unreal expectations and not on his actual numbers to this point.


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