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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby AussieMate » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:41 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:09 am
AussieMate wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:14 am
Mjvb5 wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:28 am
For arguments sake in his sophomore and rookie seasons juju actually scored incredibly well in the games that AB missed which was 3 to 5 I can't quite remember and was one of the main reasons people were so high on him.
As I said in another post this is all going off my questionable memory but I thought Juju had a mixed bag of good and terrible games without Brown, I remember it being talked about on this forum and there was a case for both the good and bad not just incredible good.
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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby Cameron Giles » Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:43 pm

Selling low on Godwin would be...a mistake.

Short-term drop in production, but not because he's regressing as a player. He's too good a route runner. I understand the Juju drop, but their roles despite playing next to another really good WR were very different.

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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby Sriracha » Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:04 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:43 pm Selling low on Godwin would be...a mistake.

Short-term drop in production, but not because he's regressing as a player. He's too good a route runner. I understand the Juju drop, but their roles despite playing next to another really good WR were very different.
100% these are two very different players.

Godwin has created separation throughout his career, Juju relied heavily on contested catches in single coverage. One of these WRs is more likely to deal with heavy defensive attention than the other.

However, both of them are seeing a volume decrease because their previously horrid defenses have both dramatically improved from their blowup seasons. This is the real reason both of them have disappointed, imo. Juju was doing fine when Diontae was pulling #1 coverage -- just not at an elite level because they weren't giving up 28 points a game.

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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby thebeast » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:23 pm

Dibbles wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:02 am Not sure there is a better buy low than Godwin, how quickly things can change. Was last year’s DK (for good reason), essentially hasnt mattered at all this season with Covid/injuries/new QB, not helping anyone at the moment, frustrating injuries for 6+ weeks, concerns over a 40 yr old QB who spreads it around, and now a suddenly crowded and complicated WR room with AB. Important to remember he is an absolute proven stud (regardless of QB) when healthy and given the opportunity. Not entirely sure the opportunity will be in Tampa going forward but 100% willing to buy his talent, get him on the cheap while you can, he was the overall PPR WR #2 last year at age 23. His situation can only get better from here.
You are a smart guy, I agree 100%

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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby blemly » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:02 pm

bjd5211 wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:18 am Everyone said the same about Juju...
No offense, but this level of analysis isn’t particularly helpful in my opinion. Taking one player and copying and pasting his projected future value onto a different player simply because they happen to share a few similarities doesn’t say much of anything.
Team 1: 12-team SF 0.5 PPR:
QB: Dak, Russ, Stafford, Geno, Dalton
RB: Harris, Gibson, Chubb, Cohen
WR: DK, Ridley, Kirk, Chark, Woods, C Samuel, Shepard, Reagor
TE: Fant, Knox
Team 2: 14-team PPR SF TEP:
QB: Wilson, Burrow, Geno, Foles
RB: Mixon, Gibson, Hines, Cohen, Pollard
WR: DJM, Cooper, Sutton, Deebo, R. Moore, ARSB, Eskridge, Renfrow
TE: Gesicki, Njoku, Arnold
Team 3: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Winston, Cam
RB: Harris, Ekeler, Dobbins
WR: Hill, AJB, Woods, Chark, Lockett
TE: Gesicki, OJH, Firkser
Team 4: 12-team SF TEP Devy
QB: Wilson, Geno, Ryan, Cousins
RB: Zeke, Chubb, Sanders, Pollard, Hines, Cohen, Henderson
WR: Cooper, Godwin, Sutton, JuJu, Samuel, Fuller, Shepard, Campbell
TE: Fant, Gesicki, Ertz, Freiermuth
Devy: Boutte, Young, Slovis, Harris
Team 5: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Dak, Lance, Jones, Cam
RB: Swift, Sanders, Dobbins, Pollard
WR: Sutton, DJM, Golladay, Chase, Pittman, Kirk, Campbell, Mims, Wallace
TE: Herndon, Gesicki, Freiermuth

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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby Orenthal Shames » Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:48 am

After a nice break, I'm finally back and digging into 2021 analysis. Upon doing so, one thing stood out to me glaringly. Deandre Swift is THE sell high currently.

DLF March Startup ADP has him at 1.6 overall (rb6). I love the player, but he's on a historically bad franchise for RB opportunity. With Williams and Kerryon in the mix, I just don't see how he ever gets enough work to justify that cost.
16 team league
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs

QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Downs, Mims, Douglas, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.08, 1.14

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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:56 am

Jerry Jeudy is now a screaming buy low.
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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby broncohead » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:20 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:56 am Jerry Jeudy is now a screaming buy low.
I agree. In my leagues the owners are holding out. I do think there will be another time to buy during the season as Denver will be getting back Sutton and I’m not convinced Lock is a viable starting QB. With the 1st three picks looking like QB, Denver may miss out on QB in the draft.
48 team, 4 copy league, QB, RB, WR, WR, TE, SF, 4 flex
QB - Wentz, Tannehill, Mayfield, Jones, Alex Smith
RB - Chubb, Hunt, Swift, Akers, Henderson, Mostert, Mack, Bowden, Hill
WR - AJ Brown, DJ Moore, Gabriel Davis, Slayton, Hamler, Isabella
TE - Fant, Burton, Firkser, Keene, Okuegbunam
2021 Draft - 1.09, 3rd

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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby jenkins.math » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:41 pm

broncohead wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:20 pm
OhCruelestRanter wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:56 am Jerry Jeudy is now a screaming buy low.
I agree. In my leagues the owners are holding out. I do think there will be another time to buy during the season as Denver will be getting back Sutton and I’m not convinced Lock is a viable starting QB. With the 1st three picks looking like QB, Denver may miss out on QB in the draft.
I've tried in the leagues I don't own him and Jeudy owners are also holding out in my league as well. I haven't seen him discounted either.

Is Jeudy really being moved for a discount in a lot of leagues or is this just an idea that hasn't exactly manifested itself in reality?

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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby broncohead » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:55 pm

jenkins.math wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:41 pm
broncohead wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:20 pm
OhCruelestRanter wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:56 am Jerry Jeudy is now a screaming buy low.
I agree. In my leagues the owners are holding out. I do think there will be another time to buy during the season as Denver will be getting back Sutton and I’m not convinced Lock is a viable starting QB. With the 1st three picks looking like QB, Denver may miss out on QB in the draft.
I've tried in the leagues I don't own him and Jeudy owners are also holding out in my league as well. I haven't seen him discounted either.

Is Jeudy really being moved for a discount in a lot of leagues or is this just an idea that hasn't exactly manifested itself in reality?
I'm wondering if it's based on recent ADP data. I haven't seen any trades in any of my leagues with him involved.
48 team, 4 copy league, QB, RB, WR, WR, TE, SF, 4 flex
QB - Wentz, Tannehill, Mayfield, Jones, Alex Smith
RB - Chubb, Hunt, Swift, Akers, Henderson, Mostert, Mack, Bowden, Hill
WR - AJ Brown, DJ Moore, Gabriel Davis, Slayton, Hamler, Isabella
TE - Fant, Burton, Firkser, Keene, Okuegbunam
2021 Draft - 1.09, 3rd

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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby broncohead » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:57 pm

Orenthal Shames wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:48 am After a nice break, I'm finally back and digging into 2021 analysis. Upon doing so, one thing stood out to me glaringly. Deandre Swift is THE sell high currently.

DLF March Startup ADP has him at 1.6 overall (rb6). I love the player, but he's on a historically bad franchise for RB opportunity. With Williams and Kerryon in the mix, I just don't see how he ever gets enough work to justify that cost.
See any recent trades involving Swift? Just curious as I may consider moving him in one league if the price is right.
48 team, 4 copy league, QB, RB, WR, WR, TE, SF, 4 flex
QB - Wentz, Tannehill, Mayfield, Jones, Alex Smith
RB - Chubb, Hunt, Swift, Akers, Henderson, Mostert, Mack, Bowden, Hill
WR - AJ Brown, DJ Moore, Gabriel Davis, Slayton, Hamler, Isabella
TE - Fant, Burton, Firkser, Keene, Okuegbunam
2021 Draft - 1.09, 3rd

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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby jjleurquin » Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:01 pm

broncohead wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:55 pm
jenkins.math wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:41 pm
broncohead wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:20 pm

I agree. In my leagues the owners are holding out. I do think there will be another time to buy during the season as Denver will be getting back Sutton and I’m not convinced Lock is a viable starting QB. With the 1st three picks looking like QB, Denver may miss out on QB in the draft.
I've tried in the leagues I don't own him and Jeudy owners are also holding out in my league as well. I haven't seen him discounted either.

Is Jeudy really being moved for a discount in a lot of leagues or is this just an idea that hasn't exactly manifested itself in reality?
I'm wondering if it's based on recent ADP data. I haven't seen any trades in any of my leagues with him involved.
This just wasn’t a very good take. Jeudys perceived value is about the same it was last year at this point. A lot of people see Jeudy didn’t live up to expectations and think they can get a deal because of it but whoever has him in your league is probably still high on him. I’ve actually seen trades on dlf where he went for 2 1sts, and fewer trades than that where someone doesn’t get at least a 1st back in value.

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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby StripesOfKC » Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:02 pm

broncohead wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:57 pm
Orenthal Shames wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:48 am After a nice break, I'm finally back and digging into 2021 analysis. Upon doing so, one thing stood out to me glaringly. Deandre Swift is THE sell high currently.

DLF March Startup ADP has him at 1.6 overall (rb6). I love the player, but he's on a historically bad franchise for RB opportunity. With Williams and Kerryon in the mix, I just don't see how he ever gets enough work to justify that cost.
See any recent trades involving Swift? Just curious as I may consider moving him in one league if the price is right.
I mean Kerryon is a literal zero and I don't give two shits about what Jahvid Best and Shawn Bryson did years and uears ago for Lions teams with players that have mostly been out of the league for years or see how it means Swift can't be good any more than Dorial Green Beckham and Justin Hunter busting means AJ Brown can't be good

That said 1.6 is still a little high

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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby StripesOfKC » Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:18 pm

Buy Low: Baker Mayfield

He was a way better real life QB than fantasy one, gets a second year in the system and I don't see any way the Browns can run as much as they did last year for much longer

I think something like a QB 11 finish is coming next year and will boost his stock substantially

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Re: Buy Low/Sell High

Postby Jigga94 » Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:41 pm

StripesOfKC wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:18 pm Buy Low: Baker Mayfield

He was a way better real life QB than fantasy one, gets a second year in the system and I don't see any way the Browns can run as much as they did last year for much longer

I think something like a QB 11 finish is coming next year and will boost his stock substantially
I think that would make his fantasy stock one of the most volatile I've seen for a QB. I tend to agree though. He's a good QB, prove-it contract year, and a Browns team that is finally coming around.

Loved rooting for him as a rookie even if it meant him giving Baltimore a hard time 2x a year for many years to come.

Back to Baker, I think I've always had him ranked higher than consensus. I could easily see his value back in QB1 range.

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