Travis Fulgham

[lukkynumber13]

I can't get a single offer for him, and not even drumming up any trade discussions for him, in team B - Will have to hold now and hope he turns into Darius Slayton

[Raymond1974]

I can't get a single offer for him, and not even drumming up any trade discussions for him, in team B - Will have to hold now and hope he turns into Darius Slayton

Same here. Not one offer. I guess I’ll hold and hope he isn’t a fluke

[The MAC Machine]

Someone offered me joshua Kelley and TreQuan Smith. I passed though.

[jman3134]

I want to hold. Believe what my eyes are seeing.

[DLF3000]

Someone offered me joshua Kelley and TreQuan Smith. I passed though.

I don't even know where to begin. Hopefully I can get 3 1sts for Tonyan, then trade 'em all for Fulgham.

[esloan35]

Someone offered me joshua Kelley and TreQuan Smith. I passed though.

No movement on the Mattison counter???

[Cameron Giles]

Leonard Hankerson, similar size and stature, once had a similar game then faded. Just saying.

Hankerson was a 3rd round pick, never hit 12 targets, and barely crested 100 yards 2 times in his career.

Both against abysmal pass defenses: MIA (2011) and HOU (2015).

Not saying Fulgham can't fade into the ether, but this level of breakout vs solid competition is a very rare occurrence.

Yeah, this could very well be a blip on the radar like Zach Pascal was last year.

But, there is opportunity and Wentz is on pace for 624 passing attempts. Injuries to Goedert, Reagor, Jeffery, Jackson. Ertz for whatever reason doesn't have the same connection with Wentz, and Arcega-Whiteside is bad.

Fulgham could rack up targets on this team in the short-to-intermediate game.

[Pullo Vision]

Scouting is not an exact science.

Adam Thielen almost never got a chance to enter the NFL, now he's a repeat top 40 player in the NFL.

Aaron Rodgers was only recruited to CAL because Tedford went to scout his JUCO teams TE.

They're hardly the first players that have been underappreciated by multiple teams before getting their chance and breaking out.

I'm not saying that Fulgham is assuredly a stud right now, but I like his chances of being relevant infinitely more than Hightower and Watkins who have done absolutely nothing and have similarly long shot profiles.

Agree on this overall point. I'm profiting with James Robinson in several leagues. It just seems inconsistent to write off Hightower and Watkins for doing "nothing" when it took Fulgham a year and a half to do anything. What was he doing in FA tryouts and/or practice squad reps that led coaching staffs to not give him regular snaps? He only had opportunity after a team was so devastated by injuries they were scouring PSs from other teams.

Now, if you want to dismiss Hightower/Watkins for being smaller (listed as 6'2" and no more than 190, vs Fulgham's 6-2 215), I can understand that. I've heard comparisons of Fulgham to Jeffrey, or that he's only had opportunity because the lead TEs are injured/ineffective. But, dismissing two guys for not putting up big numbers in the first few games of their NFL career, while simultaneously advocating for a guy who was even less productive over the same first few games of his NFL career seems very odd.

Dismiss is a strong word. Antonio Brown had 16 receptions his rookie year. He was a 6th round pick, just like Fulgham. Adam Thielen never saw the field his rookie year, either. These WR's with low draft capital just don't usually get an opportunity early on in their careers, so I don't punish them for a lack of early careeer production if they're not given opportunity.

Quez and Hightower are both extreme long shots to be fantasy relevant (based on draft capital, and profile); while Fulgham entered the NFL with a similar career projection he's done nothing but produce when given the opportunity making his odds of success dramatically higher than the two rookies.

I don't see this as odd, at all. We should all be adjusting our outlook on players as new data comes in. We have 1/2 the numbers of a winning lotto ticket with Fulgahm, it would be "odd" to say that this ticket is not worth more than any other.

I can sometimes get bogged down in discussions/arguments pivoting on semantics. I don't want to fall down rabbit holes where we get stuck on certain words or phrases. I presume you understand the thought behind "dismiss", even while understanding the word itself may be too strong a term. Similarly, I'll not focus on describing Hightower/Watkins as "extreme" long shots, and agree that they are not sure things in any way.

I agree that we need to adjust valuations based on production. The question is, How sensitive should we be to that production? James Robinson also had very poor draft capital and there have been and are currently tons of questions where his value is, despite being among the league leaders in rush and reception yards among RBs. Robert Tonyan also had a very good game, but how heavily should we factor that production in his value?

One of the reasons I'm hesitant about Robinson's and Tonyan's value is they've produced facing very limited competition. Ozigbo and Armstead have both been injured/unavailable. [edit] Tonyan had a big game with no Adams or Lazard. MVS was the most targeted WR that game and the RBs combined for 15 targets. Thanks god they were facing the Falcons that game. [/edit]

Similarly, Fulgham has only had this opportunity due to the apocalyptic injuries ravaging Philly's TE/WR groups. It's not like Fulgham faced stiff competition to get those snaps/targets/production. If Fulgham's competition at the time of his production were on par with Claypool's, I'd put much more weight on it. But, his main competition was, what, a TE nearing or past his prime, and... a RB? A low capital speedster?

I'm happy to have a lottery ticket like him where I do, but all I have is that ticket. I know the ticket makes me eligible for tonight's lottery, but there are 5 bazillion other tickets, including rostered and practice squad players this year, as well as rookies and FAs next year.

I'm open to arguments based on his talents and skills, which would suggest he'll have more opportunities through this year and into next year. But box score scouting and saying, Hey look at these awesome numbers!, has very limited meaning for me, especially when the competition has been so poor/limited.

[ManuManu]

I think Fulgham’s usage is what gives me some optimism. Putting aside the stats and his limited resume, I like that the Eagles deployed him as an X, Z, slot. He caught short passes, intermediate passes and deep passes. He’s been both schemed open as the primary and has beaten both man and zone coverage. He makes easy and tough catches, and unlike any WR in recent Eagles history (aside from Alshon) he can high point a ball. FWIW, Pederson said the Eagles had a third or fourth round grade on him.

[jman3134]

Agree on this overall point. I'm profiting with James Robinson in several leagues. It just seems inconsistent to write off Hightower and Watkins for doing "nothing" when it took Fulgham a year and a half to do anything. What was he doing in FA tryouts and/or practice squad reps that led coaching staffs to not give him regular snaps? He only had opportunity after a team was so devastated by injuries they were scouring PSs from other teams.

Now, if you want to dismiss Hightower/Watkins for being smaller (listed as 6'2" and no more than 190, vs Fulgham's 6-2 215), I can understand that. I've heard comparisons of Fulgham to Jeffrey, or that he's only had opportunity because the lead TEs are injured/ineffective. But, dismissing two guys for not putting up big numbers in the first few games of their NFL career, while simultaneously advocating for a guy who was even less productive over the same first few games of his NFL career seems very odd.

Dismiss is a strong word. Antonio Brown had 16 receptions his rookie year. He was a 6th round pick, just like Fulgham. Adam Thielen never saw the field his rookie year, either. These WR's with low draft capital just don't usually get an opportunity early on in their careers, so I don't punish them for a lack of early careeer production if they're not given opportunity.

Quez and Hightower are both extreme long shots to be fantasy relevant (based on draft capital, and profile); while Fulgham entered the NFL with a similar career projection he's done nothing but produce when given the opportunity making his odds of success dramatically higher than the two rookies.

I don't see this as odd, at all. We should all be adjusting our outlook on players as new data comes in. We have 1/2 the numbers of a winning lotto ticket with Fulgahm, it would be "odd" to say that this ticket is not worth more than any other.

I can sometimes get bogged down in discussions/arguments pivoting on semantics. I don't want to fall down rabbit holes where we get stuck on certain words or phrases. I presume you understand the thought behind "dismiss", even while understanding the word itself may be too strong a term. Similarly, I'll not focus on describing Hightower/Watkins as "extreme" long shots, and agree that they are not sure things in any way.

I agree that we need to adjust valuations based on production. The question is, How sensitive should we be to that production? James Robinson also had very poor draft capital and there have been and are currently tons of questions where his value is, despite being among the league leaders in rush and reception yards among RBs. Robert Tonyan also had a very good game, but how heavily should we factor that production in his value?

One of the reasons I'm hesitant about Robinson's and Tonyan's value is they've produced facing very limited competition. Ozigbo and Armstead have both been injured/unavailable. [edit] Tonyan had a big game with no Adams or Lazard. MVS was the most targeted WR that game and the RBs combined for 15 targets. Thanks god they were facing the Falcons that game. [/edit]

Similarly, Fulgham has only had this opportunity due to the apocalyptic injuries ravaging Philly's TE/WR groups. It's not like Fulgham faced stiff competition to get those snaps/targets/production. If Fulgham's competition at the time of his production were on par with Claypool's, I'd put much more weight on it. But, his main competition was, what, a TE nearing or past his prime, and... a RB? A low capital speedster?

I'm happy to have a lottery ticket like him where I do, but all I have is that ticket. I know the ticket makes me eligible for tonight's lottery, but there are 5 bazillion other tickets, including rostered and practice squad players this year, as well as rookies and FAs next year.

I'm open to arguments based on his talents and skills, which would suggest he'll have more opportunities through this year and into next year. But box score scouting and saying, Hey look at these awesome numbers!, has very limited meaning for me, especially when the competition has been so poor/limited.

You do realize that Claypool's 4 TD game was a beneficiary of Johnson getting knocked out early on a special teams play? Production is production and chemistry is chemistry. Whether or not that production can exist for multiple seasons, this would depend on how impressive the chemistry is and if the team is winning.

Either way, it appears that Fulgham has great chemistry with Wentz and he has near term value even with Alshon, Desean and Reagor returning. If you don't believe that, then he has no value to you and you don't trust the chemistry.

[Pullo Vision]

You do realize that Claypool's 4 TD game was a beneficiary of Johnson getting knocked out early on a special teams play? Production is production and chemistry is chemistry. Whether or not that production can exist for multiple seasons, this would depend on how impressive the chemistry is and if the team is winning.

Either way, it appears that Fulgham has great chemistry with Wentz and he has near term value even with Alshon, Desean and Reagor returning. If you don't believe that, then he has no value to you and you don't trust the chemistry.

Yes I do. I also realize that juju/James Washington/Ebron/McDonald/Conner is way better than whatever whattever pieces you wanna list/rank for Philly. Even with Diontae getting injured, target competition in Pittsburgh is much more stout than Philly.

Let's see if Fulgham can get to multiple games before we start talking about production across multiple seasons. He's still hoping for a 5 game production stretch like Robinson.

And thank you, ManuManu. I had liked Fulgham's catches, with the whole high-pointing/my-ball play, hadn't realized he had gotten snaps across alignments. Now gotta see what his effectiveness was at each position.

[The MAC Machine]

You do realize that Claypool's 4 TD game was a beneficiary of Johnson getting knocked out early on a special teams play? Production is production and chemistry is chemistry. Whether or not that production can exist for multiple seasons, this would depend on how impressive the chemistry is and if the team is winning.

Either way, it appears that Fulgham has great chemistry with Wentz and he has near term value even with Alshon, Desean and Reagor returning. If you don't believe that, then he has no value to you and you don't trust the chemistry.

Yes I do. I also realize that juju/James Washington/Ebron/McDonald/Conner is way better than whatever whattever pieces you wanna list/rank for Philly. Even with Diontae getting injured, target competition in Pittsburgh is much more stout than Philly.

Let's see if Fulgham can get to multiple games before we start talking about production across multiple seasons. He's still hoping for a 5 game production stretch like Robinson.

And thank you, ManuManu. I had liked Fulgham's catches, with the whole high-pointing/my-ball play, hadn't realized he had gotten snaps across alignments. Now gotta see what his effectiveness was at each position.

That belief is circular. On the flip side of it you could also say the target “competition” aided Claypools production by drawing more attention away from him. Remember, WRs aren’t working AGAINST each other....they are working in CONJUNCTION with each other to compete with the defense. The less focus a defense can place on 1 player the better opportunity there is across the board. The fact that Fulgham stood out that greatly in terms of volume is noteworthy considering no WR has stood out quite like that in an eagles uniform in years despite them consistently and repeatedly fielding mediocre talent at WR. Its not like once every few games some no name Eagles WR throws down 10 catches. Historically the ball has been spread out among receivers or super TE heavy. It’s rare that a WR is targeted that heavy in an Eagles offense, let alone with that much success. I’m intrigued. He could be the next Marques Colston.

[failblazer]

I haven’t been able to move him for too much but wanted to get out in case his value goes in the toilet this weekend. Got Van Jefferson and KJ Hamler for him in two leagues and not unhappy with that. Two rookies I didn’t really target in drafts but 2nd rounders in the NFL who have the potential to be flippable later.

[ManuManu]

I haven’t been able to move him for too much but wanted to get out in case his value goes in the toilet this weekend. Got Van Jefferson and KJ Hamler for him in two leagues and not unhappy with that. Two rookies I didn’t really target in drafts but 2nd rounders in the NFL who have the potential to be flippable later.

I think that’s a pretty darn good deal. I’m an Eagles fan and Fulgham owner and would do that pretty easily.

[failblazer]

I haven’t been able to move him for too much but wanted to get out in case his value goes in the toilet this weekend. Got Van Jefferson and KJ Hamler for him in two leagues and not unhappy with that. Two rookies I didn’t really target in drafts but 2nd rounders in the NFL who have the potential to be flippable later.

I think that’s a pretty darn good deal. I’m an Eagles fan and Fulgham owner and would do that pretty easily.

Not the flashiest deals but I figure the chances of each of them panning out and/or increasing in value to where I can get a strong return are much higher than hoping Fulgham continues to increase in value. An injury to Woods or Kupp in LA and suddenly Jefferson is worth quite a bit I'd imagine.