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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Pullo Vision » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:53 am

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Ya never know.. but Watkins and Hightower have been very unimpressive up to this point despite being given opportunity.

When you consider the degree to which Fulgham broke out -- 2nd most receiving yards vs PIT since Gronk in 2017, first PHI WR with more than 85 receiving yards in 9 games, the fact that this came against a solid pass defense and that it was the result of 13 targets rather than a couple freak long TDs... I'd be surprised if he just disappeared into the ether after this game.
Quez Watkins literally WAS JUST TAKEN OFF IR!!! He's had no opportunity. Zilch. I'm not burying him or Hightower because neither have produced big numbers within their first 5 NFL games.

Geez, if you treated Fulgham last year the way you're writing off Hightower and Watkins now...
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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby CGW » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:11 pm

Pullo Vision wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:53 am
Sriracha wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:11 am
Ya never know.. but Watkins and Hightower have been very unimpressive up to this point despite being given opportunity.

When you consider the degree to which Fulgham broke out -- 2nd most receiving yards vs PIT since Gronk in 2017, first PHI WR with more than 85 receiving yards in 9 games, the fact that this came against a solid pass defense and that it was the result of 13 targets rather than a couple freak long TDs... I'd be surprised if he just disappeared into the ether after this game.
Quez Watkins literally WAS JUST TAKEN OFF IR!!! He's had no opportunity. Zilch. I'm not burying him or Hightower because neither have produced big numbers within their first 5 NFL games.

Geez, if you treated Fulgham last year the way you're writing off Hightower and Watkins now...
True, it's easy to write late round rookies off pretty quick, especially when they are given 5 games of 80% snaps share and don't do much like Hightower. I doubt Fulgham, Hightower, or Watkins will be much, but all of them have opportunity with that beat up WR room. I have a share of both Watkins and Fulgham just in case I'm able to flip.
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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby The Godwin Complex » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 pm

murphysxm wrote:
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Just got offered a Joshua Kelley for Fulgham after picking Fulgham up off the waiver wire last week. I was initially tempted but all of the fumbles combined with that muddled backfield. I’m thinking about countering for Mattison. :think:
If you think any owner is going to give you Mattison for Fulgham you are more out of touch than I already thought.
Well he offered me a Joshua Kelley (drafted in 4th round) and TreQuan Smith (drafted in 3rd round)....I don’t see why THINKING about countering for Mattison is unreasonable. 😌 Whether or not I think he goes for it 🤷‍♂️ I don’t know. Also remember I’m in a league full of Eagles fans :lol:
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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby CGW » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:26 pm

The Godwin Complex wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 pm
murphysxm wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:10 am
The Godwin Complex wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:17 am
Just got offered a Joshua Kelley for Fulgham after picking Fulgham up off the waiver wire last week. I was initially tempted but all of the fumbles combined with that muddled backfield. I’m thinking about countering for Mattison. :think:
If you think any owner is going to give you Mattison for Fulgham you are more out of touch than I already thought.
Well he offered me a Joshua Kelley (drafted in 4th round) and TreQuan Smith (drafted in 3rd round)....I don’t see why THINKING about countering for Mattison is unreasonable. 😌 Whether or not I think he goes for it 🤷‍♂️ I don’t know. Also remember I’m in a league full of Eagles fans :lol:
I wouldn't say unreasonable, just not likely to be accepted. But I've seen crazier things happen.
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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Sriracha » Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:49 pm

Pullo Vision wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:53 am
Sriracha wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:11 am
Ya never know.. but Watkins and Hightower have been very unimpressive up to this point despite being given opportunity.

When you consider the degree to which Fulgham broke out -- 2nd most receiving yards vs PIT since Gronk in 2017, first PHI WR with more than 85 receiving yards in 9 games, the fact that this came against a solid pass defense and that it was the result of 13 targets rather than a couple freak long TDs... I'd be surprised if he just disappeared into the ether after this game.
Quez Watkins literally WAS JUST TAKEN OFF IR!!! He's had no opportunity. Zilch. I'm not burying him or Hightower because neither have produced big numbers within their first 5 NFL games.

Geez, if you treated Fulgham last year the way you're writing off Hightower and Watkins now...
My mistake, I guess it was just John Hightower that was pulling an 80% snap share.

Generally speaking WR's that produce this little when given opportunity don't end up as fantasy assets. That's one of the reasons I dropped Fulgahm this off-season (although.. he never got an opportunity) .. and his success thus far in the season falls under the "ya never know" category of these players.

Could Hightower or Watkins emerge eventually? Sure, but I'm going to bet on the guy that's been brilliant in a limited sample size in the NFL over similarly incredibly low hit rate prospects that have not shown us anything.

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby jman3134 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:07 pm

CGW wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:26 pm
The Godwin Complex wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 pm
murphysxm wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:10 am


If you think any owner is going to give you Mattison for Fulgham you are more out of touch than I already thought.
Well he offered me a Joshua Kelley (drafted in 4th round) and TreQuan Smith (drafted in 3rd round)....I don’t see why THINKING about countering for Mattison is unreasonable. 😌 Whether or not I think he goes for it 🤷‍♂️ I don’t know. Also remember I’m in a league full of Eagles fans :lol:
I wouldn't say unreasonable, just not likely to be accepted. But I've seen crazier things happen.
What is so great about Mattison? I don't get it. Maybe if Cook was out for the year.
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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Vcize » Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:58 pm

Pullo Vision wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:53 am
Sriracha wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:11 am
Ya never know.. but Watkins and Hightower have been very unimpressive up to this point despite being given opportunity.

When you consider the degree to which Fulgham broke out -- 2nd most receiving yards vs PIT since Gronk in 2017, first PHI WR with more than 85 receiving yards in 9 games, the fact that this came against a solid pass defense and that it was the result of 13 targets rather than a couple freak long TDs... I'd be surprised if he just disappeared into the ether after this game.
Quez Watkins literally WAS JUST TAKEN OFF IR!!! He's had no opportunity. Zilch. I'm not burying him or Hightower because neither have produced big numbers within their first 5 NFL games.

Geez, if you treated Fulgham last year the way you're writing off Hightower and Watkins now...
Hightower has had more actual on field opportunity than Fulgham has already.
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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Pullo Vision » Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:45 pm

Sriracha wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:49 pm
Pullo Vision wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:53 am
Sriracha wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:11 am
Ya never know.. but Watkins and Hightower have been very unimpressive up to this point despite being given opportunity.

When you consider the degree to which Fulgham broke out -- 2nd most receiving yards vs PIT since Gronk in 2017, first PHI WR with more than 85 receiving yards in 9 games, the fact that this came against a solid pass defense and that it was the result of 13 targets rather than a couple freak long TDs... I'd be surprised if he just disappeared into the ether after this game.
Quez Watkins literally WAS JUST TAKEN OFF IR!!! He's had no opportunity. Zilch. I'm not burying him or Hightower because neither have produced big numbers within their first 5 NFL games.

Geez, if you treated Fulgham last year the way you're writing off Hightower and Watkins now...
My mistake, I guess it was just John Hightower that was pulling an 80% snap share.

Generally speaking WR's that produce this little when given opportunity don't end up as fantasy assets. That's one of the reasons I dropped Fulgahm this off-season (although.. he never got an opportunity) .. and his success thus far in the season falls under the "ya never know" category of these players.

Could Hightower or Watkins emerge eventually? Sure, but I'm going to bet on the guy that's been brilliant in a limited sample size in the NFL over similarly incredibly low hit rate prospects that have not shown us anything.
I've been chasing Philly WRs all offseason. In various leagues, I'm holding Fulgham, Hightower, Jeffrey, Ward and Watkins. How do you account for Fulgham's low draft capital (6th rounder) and getting cut by 2 teams? How do 2 good games in two seasons overcome both of those negatives? How can a player with those negatives be ranked higher than 2 players with (slightly) better draft capital and without the "cut twice" baggage? I know my answers to all that, curious your views.
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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby AussieMate » Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:48 pm

All this makes me think is people need to go get Reagor now because this is the good landing spot people thought originally.

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Bot101 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:23 pm

Well I got him this morning. Spent $68 out of a 200 budget. Vs the Steelers he was PFFs #1 rated WR (take that for what its worth), hes competing for targets with a bunch of nobodies and has-beens' (except Reagor and Goedert when healthy), has very nice college resume and workout metrics and produced vs a very solid defense so why not? He could possibly (hoooopefully) be the next Thielen/Baldwin.

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Sriracha » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:30 pm

Pullo Vision wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:45 pm
I've been chasing Philly WRs all offseason. In various leagues, I'm holding Fulgham, Hightower, Jeffrey, Ward and Watkins. How do you account for Fulgham's low draft capital (6th rounder) and getting cut by 2 teams? How do 2 good games in two seasons overcome both of those negatives? How can a player with those negatives be ranked higher than 2 players with (slightly) better draft capital and without the "cut twice" baggage? I know my answers to all that, curious your views.
Scouting is not an exact science.

Adam Thielen almost never got a chance to enter the NFL, now he's a repeat top 40 player in the NFL.

Aaron Rodgers was only recruited to CAL because Tedford went to scout his JUCO teams TE.

They're hardly the first players that have been underappreciated by multiple teams before getting their chance and breaking out.

I'm not saying that Fulgham is assuredly a stud right now, but I like his chances of being relevant infinitely more than Hightower and Watkins who have done absolutely nothing and have similarly long shot profiles.

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Pullo Vision » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:25 am

Sriracha wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:30 pm
Pullo Vision wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:45 pm
I've been chasing Philly WRs all offseason. In various leagues, I'm holding Fulgham, Hightower, Jeffrey, Ward and Watkins. How do you account for Fulgham's low draft capital (6th rounder) and getting cut by 2 teams? How do 2 good games in two seasons overcome both of those negatives? How can a player with those negatives be ranked higher than 2 players with (slightly) better draft capital and without the "cut twice" baggage? I know my answers to all that, curious your views.
Scouting is not an exact science.

Adam Thielen almost never got a chance to enter the NFL, now he's a repeat top 40 player in the NFL.

Aaron Rodgers was only recruited to CAL because Tedford went to scout his JUCO teams TE.

They're hardly the first players that have been underappreciated by multiple teams before getting their chance and breaking out.

I'm not saying that Fulgham is assuredly a stud right now, but I like his chances of being relevant infinitely more than Hightower and Watkins who have done absolutely nothing and have similarly long shot profiles.
Agree on this overall point. I'm profiting with James Robinson in several leagues. It just seems inconsistent to write off Hightower and Watkins for doing "nothing" when it took Fulgham a year and a half to do anything. What was he doing in FA tryouts and/or practice squad reps that led coaching staffs to not give him regular snaps? He only had opportunity after a team was so devastated by injuries they were scouring PSs from other teams.

Now, if you want to dismiss Hightower/Watkins for being smaller (listed as 6'2" and no more than 190, vs Fulgham's 6-2 215), I can understand that. I've heard comparisons of Fulgham to Jeffrey, or that he's only had opportunity because the lead TEs are injured/ineffective. But, dismissing two guys for not putting up big numbers in the first few games of their NFL career, while simultaneously advocating for a guy who was even less productive over the same first few games of his NFL career seems very odd.
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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Sriracha » Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:52 am

Pullo Vision wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:25 am
Sriracha wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:30 pm
Scouting is not an exact science.

Adam Thielen almost never got a chance to enter the NFL, now he's a repeat top 40 player in the NFL.

Aaron Rodgers was only recruited to CAL because Tedford went to scout his JUCO teams TE.

They're hardly the first players that have been underappreciated by multiple teams before getting their chance and breaking out.

I'm not saying that Fulgham is assuredly a stud right now, but I like his chances of being relevant infinitely more than Hightower and Watkins who have done absolutely nothing and have similarly long shot profiles.
Agree on this overall point. I'm profiting with James Robinson in several leagues. It just seems inconsistent to write off Hightower and Watkins for doing "nothing" when it took Fulgham a year and a half to do anything. What was he doing in FA tryouts and/or practice squad reps that led coaching staffs to not give him regular snaps? He only had opportunity after a team was so devastated by injuries they were scouring PSs from other teams.

Now, if you want to dismiss Hightower/Watkins for being smaller (listed as 6'2" and no more than 190, vs Fulgham's 6-2 215), I can understand that. I've heard comparisons of Fulgham to Jeffrey, or that he's only had opportunity because the lead TEs are injured/ineffective. But, dismissing two guys for not putting up big numbers in the first few games of their NFL career, while simultaneously advocating for a guy who was even less productive over the same first few games of his NFL career seems very odd.
Dismiss is a strong word. Antonio Brown had 16 receptions his rookie year. He was a 6th round pick, just like Fulgham. Adam Thielen never saw the field his rookie year, either. These WR's with low draft capital just don't usually get an opportunity early on in their careers, so I don't punish them for a lack of early careeer production if they're not given opportunity.

Quez and Hightower are both extreme long shots to be fantasy relevant (based on draft capital, and profile); while Fulgham entered the NFL with a similar career projection he's done nothing but produce when given the opportunity making his odds of success dramatically higher than the two rookies.

I don't see this as odd, at all. We should all be adjusting our outlook on players as new data comes in. We have 1/2 the numbers of a winning lotto ticket with Fulgahm, it would be "odd" to say that this ticket is not worth more than any other.

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Space Cowboy » Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:42 am

Leonard Hankerson, similar size and stature, once had a similar game then faded. Just saying.

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Sriracha » Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:17 pm

Space Cowboy wrote:
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Leonard Hankerson, similar size and stature, once had a similar game then faded. Just saying.
Hankerson was a 3rd round pick, never hit 12 targets, and barely crested 100 yards 2 times in his career.

Both against abysmal pass defenses: MIA (2011) and HOU (2015).

Not saying Fulgham can't fade into the ether, but this level of breakout vs solid competition is a very rare occurrence.


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