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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby TheNuts » Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:17 pm

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It was his first nfl game and he was facing the most stacked boxes of any rb in the nfl that week for some reason. You can look at his carries too. On one play his lineman gets shoved 3 yards backwards into him as he's going into the running lane near the goal line. He made several unblocked defenders miss in the backfield and gained positive yardage. If his name was Melvin Gordon or Joe Mixon or CEH you'd have people making tweets of him putting spin moves on guys in the backfield and saying how good he is. Are there a couple of runs that he could have done better? Sure, he's a super young rookie (turned 21 recently) that is coming from a team with absolutely atrocious run blocking playing in his first NFL game. Of course there's stuff to work on. DJ came from a similar situation in college and needed time to adjust. But Akers also showed a lot of good things too, like constantly making the first defender miss and gaining extra yards. Akers faced a light defensive front 17% of the time whereas Henderson has faced a light front 68% of the time. You'll have to ask the Rams why they decided to royally screw Akers in his first NFL game.
Ask the Rams why they had given up on henderson. Drafting a rb like Akers in the second was a wasted move
No it wasn't. The NFL is moving to a 17 game schedule. Multiple RB's are going to be a must. Henderson and Malcolm Brown isn't a depth Chart McVay is/was going to be happy with. Akers will be getting used, at some point.
A 2nd round pick on a running back like Akers is a wasted move. There are plenty of running backs available for cheap instead of spending a valuable pick on one.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:24 pm

TheNuts wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:17 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:12 am
TheNuts wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:38 am

Ask the Rams why they had given up on henderson. Drafting a rb like Akers in the second was a wasted move
No it wasn't. The NFL is moving to a 17 game schedule. Multiple RB's are going to be a must. Henderson and Malcolm Brown isn't a depth Chart McVay is/was going to be happy with. Akers will be getting used, at some point.
A 2nd round pick on a running back like Akers is a wasted move. There are plenty of running backs available for cheap instead of spending a valuable pick on one.
Glad you have a crystal ball after 3 games. People were spouting off comments about Henderson last year like this. We still don't know either way. Why are you wasting your time here, rather than spending the riches you could acquire with it? Such a joke. Regardless of the outcome. Snead and McVay know more than you ever will about football, so go ahead and act for certain like you have a better idea. Playing 20/20 hindsight after 1 game of Akers career. Regardless of it's outcome, you are spouting off ignorance. You have no idea what that pick is worth to the future. Continue to beat your chest about it, though.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:14 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:24 pm
TheNuts wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:17 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:12 am

No it wasn't. The NFL is moving to a 17 game schedule. Multiple RB's are going to be a must. Henderson and Malcolm Brown isn't a depth Chart McVay is/was going to be happy with. Akers will be getting used, at some point.
A 2nd round pick on a running back like Akers is a wasted move. There are plenty of running backs available for cheap instead of spending a valuable pick on one.
Glad you have a crystal ball after 3 games. People were spouting off comments about Henderson last year like this. We still don't know either way. Why are you wasting your time here, rather than spending the riches you could acquire with it? Such a joke. Regardless of the outcome. Snead and McVay know more than you ever will about football, so go ahead and act for certain like you have a better idea. Playing 20/20 hindsight after 1 game of Akers career. Regardless of it's outcome, you are spouting off ignorance. You have no idea what that pick is worth to the future. Continue to beat your chest about it, though.
It’s not a commentary on Henderson or Akers, but a statement that running backs just don’t matter enough. You can like Akers’ long term prospects and still believe that you can do better at pick 52 than a running back who isn’t a generational talent.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:57 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:14 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:24 pm
TheNuts wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:17 pm

A 2nd round pick on a running back like Akers is a wasted move. There are plenty of running backs available for cheap instead of spending a valuable pick on one.
Glad you have a crystal ball after 3 games. People were spouting off comments about Henderson last year like this. We still don't know either way. Why are you wasting your time here, rather than spending the riches you could acquire with it? Such a joke. Regardless of the outcome. Snead and McVay know more than you ever will about football, so go ahead and act for certain like you have a better idea. Playing 20/20 hindsight after 1 game of Akers career. Regardless of it's outcome, you are spouting off ignorance. You have no idea what that pick is worth to the future. Continue to beat your chest about it, though.
It’s not a commentary on Henderson or Akers, but a statement that running backs just don’t matter enough. You can like Akers’ long term prospects and still believe that you can do better at pick 52 than a running back who isn’t a generational talent.
We really don't know how to run an NFL organization better than these people, we just like to think we do. If Akers helps McVay's offense get to a SB, it's worth it. It's no different to picking a DT that doesn't do much, or a an OL. Dynasty Football people, myself included, all think very highly of their opinions, doesn't mean they are relevant, or would carry any weight in making NFL teams better. It's the matter of fact, presenting opinion as fact I have an issue with. "The Nuts" doesn't know more than Les Snead or Sean McVay, IMO. Maybe it won't work out, maybe it will, lets not pretend like it's a good or bad decision week 3 of the first year. If you look back at any draft, you can say teams could have done better, more often than not, to a large percentage.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby jcc6fd » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:08 pm

Maybe, and I’m definitely very far from being an NFL GM/coach, they drafted Henderson thinking he would be good and he had a tough start. Then maybe they drafted Akers because they thought he’d be good and he’s had a rough start. And then maybe when thrust into opportunity Henderson out performed expectations and will continue to lead the backfield as long as he’s healthy and producing. And maybe Henderson’s performance is not a reflection on the Ram’s opinion of Akers nor is it indicative of a mistake made in draft strategy, but just an unforeseen change of circumstance...maybe.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:19 pm

jcc6fd wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:08 pm Maybe, and I’m definitely very far from being an NFL GM/coach, they drafted Henderson thinking he would be good and he had a tough start. Then maybe they drafted Akers because they thought he’d be good and he’s had a rough start. And then maybe when thrust into opportunity Henderson out performed expectations and will continue to lead the backfield as long as he’s healthy and producing. And maybe Henderson’s performance is not a reflection on the Ram’s opinion of Akers nor is it indicative of a mistake made in draft strategy, but just an unforeseen change of circumstance...maybe.
Henderson is awesome.......right now. 6 months ago, he was a wasted draft pick. Same as Akers. We really don't know how this backfield will fair, but if Henderson continues to play well, and Akers develops, they will have a 1/2 punch that may hold up over a 17 game season, and help the Rams towards being an explosive, elite offence. I think that was the intention, when drafting both Henderson and Akers, that they would be explosive players on the team. McVay has talked up Shanny's RBBC, and after what happened with Gurley, I am not surprised he has a desire to have multiple backs, especially with a 17 game season on the horizon. Any forward thinking offensive mind would realize the bell cow is not enough, and if you want to go 20-21 games, you need multiple backs.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby themburns » Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:54 am

It'd be nice if teams were valuing multiple running backs but this doesn't seem to be the case when you look at it from a league wide angle. Fournette rushed for 1000 yards last year then cleared waivers on a rookie contract. Adrian Peterson was cut and then the team went on to name JD McKissic it's week 1 starter. Raheem Mostert was a practice squad guy until suddenly he wasn't, and James Robinson and Joshua Kelley were draft day 3+ rookies who are already effective now.

It's not as if the media was more kind about their drafting decisions. From the NFL.com final grades:
For most of last season, the O-line was viewed as a chief culprit in L.A.'s offensive reversion. Consequently, after the Rams didn't bring in any new offensive linemen in free agency, you figured they'd toss some early draft capital at the problem last week. Not so much. GM Les Snead waited until his final selection -- a compensation pick at No. 250 overall -- before adding a blocker. So I guess the Rams will be running it back with the same unit Pro Football Focus ranked 31st last season. That is a failure.
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The tools are there for (Akers) to be a good runner at the NFL level, but we still gave him a fourth-round label, which means the value wasn’t there in the second round with some of the other needs on the Rams’ roster.
Both (f)Akers and Henderson probably would have ended up in timeshares either way, but what worries me most is the traits the two backs seem to share. It seems more like redundancy situation than any kind of delegation of roles.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby Kurt G.O.A.T. » Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:19 am

those nimrods at nfl.com really know what they're talking about don't they? i guess that's why they're writing for a website and not an actual gm.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby themburns » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:07 am

Kurt G.O.A.T. wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:19 am those nimrods at nfl.com really know what they're talking about don't they? i guess that's why they're writing for a website and not an actual gm.
Still salty eh? I guess David Gettleman knows best. If you are playing this game without critiquing front offices and their strengths and weaknesses, you're gonna end up with lots of N'Keal Harry types.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby Kurt G.O.A.T. » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:39 am

themburns wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:07 am
Kurt G.O.A.T. wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:19 am those nimrods at nfl.com really know what they're talking about don't they? i guess that's why they're writing for a website and not an actual gm.
Still salty eh? I guess David Gettleman knows best. If you are playing this game without critiquing front offices and their strengths and weaknesses, you're gonna end up with lots of N'Keal Harry types.
Salty? About what?

They were talking about Les Snead, not the other bozo. And they were horribly wrong.

Their research probably consisted of looking at the pff grading and starting their analysis from there. Didn't bother looking at what actually happened to the oline last season. What getting linemen back healthy would do for the oline's performance. What experience the younger guys got last season and how it would help them perform better this season. In other words they failed abysmally in giving even a smidgen of accurate analysis.

Unfortunately there is no accountability in the media and that's why almost all of them wouldn't know their heads from their arses when it comes to football analysis.

What's funny was how confident they were in their useless opinion. Give a keyboard to a monkey and they would probably do a better job.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby themburns » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:55 am

Kurt G.O.A.T. wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:39 am
themburns wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:07 am
Kurt G.O.A.T. wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:19 am those nimrods at nfl.com really know what they're talking about don't they? i guess that's why they're writing for a website and not an actual gm.
Still salty eh? I guess David Gettleman knows best. If you are playing this game without critiquing front offices and their strengths and weaknesses, you're gonna end up with lots of N'Keal Harry types.
Salty? About what?

They were talking about Les Snead, not the other bozo. And they were horribly wrong.

Their research probably consisted of looking at the pff grading and starting their analysis from there. Didn't bother looking at what actually happened to the oline last season. What getting linemen back healthy would do for the oline's performance. What experience the younger guys got last season and how it would help them perform better this season. In other words they failed abysmally in giving even a smidgen of accurate analysis.

Unfortunately there is no accountability in the media and that's why almost all of them wouldn't know their heads from their arses when it comes to football analysis.

What's funny was how confident they were in their useless opinion. Give a keyboard to a monkey and they would probably do a better job.
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PFF grades are used internally by most NFL teams at this point, informing their opinions and used as leverage in contract negotiations. Analytics are changing how this game is played and they are at the cutting edge of this movement. I think sometime individual player grades are wonky but the process is good.

I was pointing out to you that when you say that NFL GMs know better than anyone discussing these things, it is a way of shutting down conversation because you have no real argument, just an appeal to authority.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby themburns » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:36 am

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby TheNuts » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:41 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:24 pm
TheNuts wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:17 pm
FantasyFreak wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:12 am

No it wasn't. The NFL is moving to a 17 game schedule. Multiple RB's are going to be a must. Henderson and Malcolm Brown isn't a depth Chart McVay is/was going to be happy with. Akers will be getting used, at some point.
A 2nd round pick on a running back like Akers is a wasted move. There are plenty of running backs available for cheap instead of spending a valuable pick on one.
Glad you have a crystal ball after 3 games. People were spouting off comments about Henderson last year like this. We still don't know either way. Why are you wasting your time here, rather than spending the riches you could acquire with it? Such a joke. Regardless of the outcome. Snead and McVay know more than you ever will about football, so go ahead and act for certain like you have a better idea. Playing 20/20 hindsight after 1 game of Akers career. Regardless of it's outcome, you are spouting off ignorance. You have no idea what that pick is worth to the future. Continue to beat your chest about it, though.
You obviously do not understand value as it relates to actual nfl positions. Akers may be a solid running back, but he isnt special which makes the second round pick a waste. There are far more valuable positions to take. Guys like Raheem Mostert are floating around all the time. Mike Davis, Carlos Hyde. Solid nfl running backs for extremely cheap.

Oh and to act like coaches always make the right call on players is EXTREMELY naive. You haven't realized this yet? How long have you been doing this?
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Re: Darrell Henderson

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