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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby CGW » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:32 am

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I just sent out offers for Akers. If somebody wants to sell a RB who was known throughout the whole draft process to be raw but athletic after two games without a preseason, full camp, etc., I’ll buy.
To my novice eyes, dude has no vision. Not sure that is coachable
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Optically, he didn't look good running up the middle, but the strength they were talking about with him was his pass catching and ability to get in space. Let's see more than a 1 or 2 game sample.
But isn't that also where Henderson's strength is? Putting him in space and catching ability?
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Cousins, Darnold, Trubisky, Flacco
RB | Mixon, Singletary, Taylor, Gaskin, D'ernest Johnson, Wilkins
WR | Adams, Evans, Golladay, Cooper, D. Johnson, Washington, Miller, Cephas, G. Davis, Mooney, Pascal,
TE | Andrews, Herndon, Alie-Cox, Sternberger

10 Team | SF | PPR
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Murray, Minshew, Tua
RB | Montgomery, Singletary, Murray, R. Jones, Dobbins, Swift, Vaughn
WR | Golladay, Godwin, AJ Brown, M. Brown, D. Johnson, Slayton, Aiyuk, Smith, Fulgham, Renfrow, Mooney
TE | Andrews, Henry, Herndon, Sample

12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF

QB | Watson, Wilson, Darnold, Trubisky, Fromme, Smith, Flacco
RB | Guice, Hines, Penny, Henderson, Wilkins
WR | Evans, Golladay, Ridley, Kupp, D. Johnson, Pittman, Westbrook, Coutee, Mooney, Ward, T. Smith, Zaccheus
TE | Ertz, Herndon, Sternberger, Oliver, L. Thomas

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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby jman3134 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:22 am

Why draft Akers that early if they are convinced on Hendo?
12 team, 35 man rosters, 1/2 PPR, 10 round rookie/FA draft
Qb: Baker Mayfield, Drew Brees, Matthew Stafford
Rb: Saquon Barkley, Austin Ekeler, Jonathan Taylor, Joe Mixon, Matt Breida, Cam Akers, Chase Edmonds
Wr: DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Evans, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Laviska Shenault, Julian Edelman, Diontae Johnson, John Brown, Steven Sims, Keelan Cole, Chris Conley, Darnell Mooney, Jalen Guyton, Travis Fulgham
Te: George Kittle, Darren Waller, OJ Howard, Logan Thomas, Tyler Eifert, Dan Arnold, Cameron Brate, Donald Parham
K: Chris Boswell
D: Baltimore Ravens
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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby CGW » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:38 am

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Why draft Akers that early if they are convinced on Hendo?
I'm sure they aren't, but that doesn't mean they have to be sold on Akers either. Both have a ? Mark and likely part of a committee. I am still not buying him at a mid 1st where he was drafted. Late 1st or 2nd and I'll buy low...but owners wouldn't be selling low yet.
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Cousins, Darnold, Trubisky, Flacco
RB | Mixon, Singletary, Taylor, Gaskin, D'ernest Johnson, Wilkins
WR | Adams, Evans, Golladay, Cooper, D. Johnson, Washington, Miller, Cephas, G. Davis, Mooney, Pascal,
TE | Andrews, Herndon, Alie-Cox, Sternberger

10 Team | SF | PPR
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Murray, Minshew, Tua
RB | Montgomery, Singletary, Murray, R. Jones, Dobbins, Swift, Vaughn
WR | Golladay, Godwin, AJ Brown, M. Brown, D. Johnson, Slayton, Aiyuk, Smith, Fulgham, Renfrow, Mooney
TE | Andrews, Henry, Herndon, Sample

12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF

QB | Watson, Wilson, Darnold, Trubisky, Fromme, Smith, Flacco
RB | Guice, Hines, Penny, Henderson, Wilkins
WR | Evans, Golladay, Ridley, Kupp, D. Johnson, Pittman, Westbrook, Coutee, Mooney, Ward, T. Smith, Zaccheus
TE | Ertz, Herndon, Sternberger, Oliver, L. Thomas

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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby jman3134 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:09 pm

My only point is it is way too soon to make sweeping conclusions on him as a prospect. Three games in with significant playing time is enough for a first impression and then we leave the rest of the year for development. If by year 2 he isn't consistently producing, abandon ship.
12 team, 35 man rosters, 1/2 PPR, 10 round rookie/FA draft
Qb: Baker Mayfield, Drew Brees, Matthew Stafford
Rb: Saquon Barkley, Austin Ekeler, Jonathan Taylor, Joe Mixon, Matt Breida, Cam Akers, Chase Edmonds
Wr: DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Evans, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Laviska Shenault, Julian Edelman, Diontae Johnson, John Brown, Steven Sims, Keelan Cole, Chris Conley, Darnell Mooney, Jalen Guyton, Travis Fulgham
Te: George Kittle, Darren Waller, OJ Howard, Logan Thomas, Tyler Eifert, Dan Arnold, Cameron Brate, Donald Parham
K: Chris Boswell
D: Baltimore Ravens
2021 picks:

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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby jcc6fd » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:29 pm

jman3134 wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:09 pm
My only point is it is way too soon to make sweeping conclusions on him as a prospect. Three games in with significant playing time is enough for a first impression and then we leave the rest of the year for development. If by year 2 he isn't consistently producing, abandon ship.
Agree in principal, but the problem with trying to sell in year 2 is that he’ll be worthless by then. It essentially happened to Henderson but he’s rehabbing because he has talent and just lacked opportunity. If Akers continues to get lead usage and doesn’t improve quickly he will lose all of his value. Getting supplanted by Henderson/Brown would only make it worse.
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QB: Mahomes, Super Cam, Jones
RB: Cook, Fournette, Gurley, Henderson, Lindsay, Moss, Gaskin, M. Davis, J. Williams, Hasty
WR: Julio, A.J. Brown, K. Allen, Cooks, TY, Edelman
TE: Kelce, Cook, Gronk
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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby jman3134 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:04 pm

jcc6fd wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:29 pm
jman3134 wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:09 pm
My only point is it is way too soon to make sweeping conclusions on him as a prospect. Three games in with significant playing time is enough for a first impression and then we leave the rest of the year for development. If by year 2 he isn't consistently producing, abandon ship.
Agree in principal, but the problem with trying to sell in year 2 is that he’ll be worthless by then. It essentially happened to Henderson but he’s rehabbing because he has talent and just lacked opportunity. If Akers continues to get lead usage and doesn’t improve quickly he will lose all of his value. Getting supplanted by Henderson/Brown would only make it worse.
It would shock me if he lost all of his value by the end of the year. He will get his opportunity, but he can't just be in a committee position, as he needs to develop and get a better feel for the position in the NFL with at least a hot hand approach. If he's coming in on passing downs, I don't see how he ever becomes the back he was drafted to be.
12 team, 35 man rosters, 1/2 PPR, 10 round rookie/FA draft
Qb: Baker Mayfield, Drew Brees, Matthew Stafford
Rb: Saquon Barkley, Austin Ekeler, Jonathan Taylor, Joe Mixon, Matt Breida, Cam Akers, Chase Edmonds
Wr: DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Evans, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Laviska Shenault, Julian Edelman, Diontae Johnson, John Brown, Steven Sims, Keelan Cole, Chris Conley, Darnell Mooney, Jalen Guyton, Travis Fulgham
Te: George Kittle, Darren Waller, OJ Howard, Logan Thomas, Tyler Eifert, Dan Arnold, Cameron Brate, Donald Parham
K: Chris Boswell
D: Baltimore Ravens
2021 picks:

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Re: Rookie stock watch

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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby Bronco Billy » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:24 am

jman3134 wrote:
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Why draft Akers that early if they are convinced on Hendo?
Great point and true, but that does not make Akers a better player than Henderson.

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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby raiders444 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:04 pm

I'd like to throw a nod to Lamical Perine...the pot is warming after last week's taste and he just logged a full practice yesterday. The opportunity is there
Team 1 - 16 TEAM PPR - 1 QB / 2 RB / 3 WR / 1 TE / 1 D/ST / 1 K
QB: Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees, Drew Lock
RB: Saquon Barkley, James Robinson, Phillip Lindsay, Alexander Mattison, Joshua Kelley, Lamical Perine
WR: TY Hilton, Chris Godwin, Christian Kirk, Preston Williams, Bryan Edwards, Scott Miller, Jaylen Guyton
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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby DLF3000 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:35 pm

raiders444 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:04 pm
I'd like to throw a nod to Lamical Perine...the pot is warming after last week's taste and he just logged a full practice yesterday. The opportunity is there
Yeah, threw a dart at the "Good (or at least better?) Perine" too. Not likely to hit in that freaking cesspool, but whatever. Honestly, I had no shot at any good backs this year in my rookie draft (top 6 were gone by the time I took Jeudy, and I hated the next tier of backs) so this is what I've had to resort to... total dart throws at fiery dumpsters! :P
10 Team Dynasty PPR, TE Premium (1.5 PPR), 6 pt/pass TD, 1pt/25 yds pass, 1pt/5 carries, 1pt/10yds rush/rec
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RB - A Jones | C Carson | A Ekeler+ | R Mostert | P Lindsay | R Penny+ | J Hasty ® | G Edwards | A McFarland ®* | D Dallas ®*
WR - D Hopkins | K Golladay | K Allen | D Slayton | J Edelman | J Jeudy ® | L Shenault ®* | G Davis ® | D Mims ®*
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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby StripesOfKC » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:43 pm

Thoughts on Zack Moss?

Buy Low or stay away?

Haven't watched much of the Bills besides Allen's highlights
Team 1

8 Team 0.5 PPR
2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 FLEX, 1 TE, 1 D, 1 K
2019-20 Champion
QB: Burrow, Roethlisberger
RB: CEH, Jonathan Taylor
WR: AJ Brown (Out), DJ Moore, McLaurin
FLEX: Chark, Diontae
TE: Kittle
D: Steelers
K: Gould

Bench
QB: Daniel Jones, Darnold, Jordan Love
RB: Swift, Sony Michel (IR), Cohen (IR), Damien Harris, KeShawn Vaughn
WR: Justin Jefferson, Sutton (IR), Gallup, Pittman, Anthony Miller, Mims, Bryan Edwards, Parris Campbell (IR), Mooney, Gabe Davis
TE: Hockenson, Gesicki

2021: 2 1sts, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 4th
2022: 3 1sts, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, 1 4th

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IDP Orphan 12 Team 1 QB PPR 0.5 Pt Per Comp, -0.5 Pt for Incomp
QB: Rodgers, Brady, Tua
RB: Mixon, CEH, Michel, James White
WR: Lockett, Gallup, Slayton, Justin Jefferson, Reagor, Mims
TE: Gesicki, Geordert

DL: Chris Jones, Grady Jarrett, Jeffrey Simmons
LB: Brian Burns, Logan Wilson, Jordyn Brooks, K'Lavon Chiasson
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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby Bronco Billy » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:27 am

StripesOfKC wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:43 pm
Thoughts on Zack Moss?

Buy Low or stay away?

Haven't watched much of the Bills besides Allen's highlights
Depends upon where the owner drafted him, I’d think. Owners who drafted him higher saw a talented runner with a well balanced game who has showed traits of being able to play at the NFL level. It’s clear BUF’s coaches like him are going to get him work every week. Those guys - like me - are probably not going to part with him easily.

Guys who got him later might be seeing his workload shared with not only Singletary but also Allen and see a lower cap on production, and now he’s hurt as well. They might be willing to take something to recoup and roll the dice with another player or future draft pick.

I think you’d have to open with a future 2nd to see where it goes. I don’t think a 3rd will get it done, and unless you know your team is locked into a deep run in the playoffs and you feel really good about Moss that a 1st is going to be too rich.

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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby blemly » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:18 pm

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Agreed. He’ll get a chance to show out the rest of the year with Sutton out, including when Lock returns. As highly touted as Jeudy was coming out, he just doesn’t do what Hamler does and that is valuable. Was just able to get him and Lock for Cousins + C. Davis in a league where I’m in a hard rebuild.
Team 1: 14-team PPR SF TE Prem:
QB: Jackson, Burrow
RB: Sanders, Guice, Dobbins
WR: DJM, Chark, Kupp, J. Jefferson, D-Jax
TE: Ebron, Warring

Team 2: 14-team PPR SF TE Prem:
QB: Wilson, Rivers, Foles, Mullens
RB: Mixon, Swift, Guice, Cohen, Hines, Gibson
WR: DJM, Diggs, Landry, Renfrow
TE: Henry, Gesicki

Team 3: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Watson, Prescott, Garopollo
RB: Kamara, Jacobs, Dobbins, Hill
WR: Hill, Lockett, Chark, McLaurin, Hardman, Perriman, Mims, Shenault
TE: Gesicki, OJH

Team 4 (Rebuild): 12-team PPR SF TE Prem
QB: Watson, Stafford
RB: JT, Swift, Akers, Robinson
WR: Lamb, D. Johnson, Pittman, Mims, Shenault, Campbell, Shepard
TE: Knox, Jarwin, Trautman
2021: 1,1,2,2

Team 5 (Rebuild): 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Wentz, Lock
RB: Sanders, Dobbins, Guice, Pollard, Edmonds
WR: Sutton, DJM, Kirk, Campbell, Mims, Hamler
TE: Herndon, Gesicki
2021: 1,1,1,1

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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:22 pm

blemly wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:18 pm
Orenthal Shames wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:56 am
Kj Hamler 📈
Agreed. He’ll get a chance to show out the rest of the year with Sutton out, including when Lock returns. As highly touted as Jeudy was coming out, he just doesn’t do what Hamler does and that is valuable. Was just able to get him and Lock for Cousins + C. Davis in a league where I’m in a hard rebuild.
Here's an awesome thread on Hamler and his profile. Go buy him NOW.

https://twitter.com/DFBeanCounter/statu ... 42368?s=19
16 team league
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 man rosters - full point ppr
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QB: Tannehill, Brees
RB: Kamara, CMC, Sanders, Davis, Murray, Scott
WR: Julio, Hill, KA, Hamler
TE: Kelce, Kittle

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Re: Rookie stock watch

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:23 pm

Orenthal Shames wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:22 pm
blemly wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:18 pm
Orenthal Shames wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:56 am
Kj Hamler 📈
Agreed. He’ll get a chance to show out the rest of the year with Sutton out, including when Lock returns. As highly touted as Jeudy was coming out, he just doesn’t do what Hamler does and that is valuable. Was just able to get him and Lock for Cousins + C. Davis in a league where I’m in a hard rebuild.
Here's an awesome thread on Hamler and his profile. Go buy him NOW.

https://twitter.com/DFBeanCounter/statu ... 42368?s=19
I just sold him in a deal to get Ruggs. Glad to do it. I like Hamler OK, but not a fan of the Broncos QB situation, and Jeudy and Fant will demand targets. I think he has added value in best ball right now.


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