No...the first set of statistics you brought up had absolutely nothing to do with how often the Bills run the ball the past 16 seasons. You provided statistics of their leading WR each year. That had nothing to do with them historically being a run first team.The Godwin Complex wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:11 pmI literally gave you 16 seasons of data up leading up to the current moment to establish a trend to support the fact that the Bills are and have historically been a running team. (The Vikings have also historically been a running team).McCafsteez wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:13 pm First off, you are bringing stats from almost two decades ago trying to make them relevant.
But let me give you some more irrelevant data since you seem to really enjoy it.....
The Bills Ranking In Pass Attempts since 2004. The Bolded Years are the years the Bills actually had a 1000 yard receiver
2004: 27th
2005: 26th
2006: 31st
2007: 30th
2008: 24th
2009: 31st
2010: 19th
2011: 10th
2012: 23rd
2013: 24th
2014: 13th
2015: 31st
2016: 32nd
2017: 31st
2018: 28th
2019: 24th - John Brown
2020: ?????
The question is whether or not Diggs’ value has increased...it has not. He has gone from being the guy in an OK situation in Minnesota, to being the number 2 in an OK situation in Buffalo.
Oh, really? My tone said that when my words said this?McCafsteez wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:13 pm My point is, your tone makes it seem like Buffalo has zero chance of WR production when historically, they have a WR every other year produce pretty good FF numbers
Look, believe what you WANT to believe. But my point is...not only is there a 50/50 chance that there will NOT be a 1000 receiver in Buffalo, but additionally there is a chance that EVEN IF THERE IS a 1000 yard receiver - that it won’t be Diggs. It would likely be John Brown, the guy who produced 1000 yards last year. So for Diggs value to INCREASE he would have to somehow transcend his average production of 73-920-6 in 14 games alongside another WR on a historically average passing team. In order to do so a few things need to happen.The Godwin Complex wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:55 am Look at how many Bills WRs have hit 1000 yards in the past 20 years - I think its 50% or less.
1) he has to stay healthy
2) He would have to get as many targets or more than John Brown (115+ and where are those targets going to come from? )
3) Buffalo would have to throw more, and probably be top 10 in passing attempts (didn’t they just draft a RB? )
4) The Bills would then have to do something rare......potentially have 2 - 1000 yard WRs.
Sorry, that’s just not a smart bet. You can close your eyes and bet blindly all you want. Numerically its just not in his favor without John Brown there, but especially with John Brown there. And even if by a long shot he does exceed past production....it won’t be by much at all. There’s no information that anyone has that points to an increase in value or production besides the hope and belief that the Bills are going to magically allow a sudden be a top passing team. Since when?
The passing statistics you just provided shows that they can produce 1,000 yard WR even without maximum pass attempts. You just talked yourself into a loop. This just shows me that Diggs has a shot to hit 1,000 yards even with minimum pass attempts.
I am not quite sure where you got the stigma that Diggs will be the WR 2 in Buffalo behind Brown? You are discounting the fact that they have a WR who breaks 1,000 yards every other year. I'd also argue that this is one of the best offenses they have had in a long time which will prop up statistics. The Bills will also want to preserve their franchise QB and have him throw the ball more. Josh Allen had 46 pass attempts with 33 completions (71.17%) and 312 passing yards in week 1. Stop making it seem like it is impossible to have a good season as a WR in Buffalo.
Week 1:
Brown: 6 / 10 70 yards (on pace for 1,120 receiving yards)
Diggs: 8 / 9 - 86 yards (on pace for 1,376 receiving yards)
*Granted I know a lot can change in a season and it's way to early to project season outcomes after week one.
In week 1 last season, Diggs recorded 2 / 2 for only 37 yards INSIDE at Minnesota.
Diggs has a great shot at production in Buffalo. He is without Cook and Thielen making him on an offense where he will be targeted more. Bottom line is I truly feel Diggs gets an increase in value being on the Bills. The offense is gaining traction quickly and he will have a shot at some great production.
The tone you are using is that you are automatically right and know everything: "Sorry no Wide Receiver will ever be better playing outside in Buffalo than inside in Minnesota. Especially if they rely on speed. Its just fact." I am willing to bet there is a list of WRs who played better in a game outside in Buffalo rather than inside at Minnesota since 2016. But, I understand your point that the conditions are obviously a lot better playing indoors. It's just too early and wrong to say that it's just facts, but carry on.