2020 BAD Trade Offers
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
Not for a team in sig
Give: DJM
Get: Boyd, Mack, Michel, 2021 2, 2022 2
I’m already deep at WR and RB. Then the “Boyd is WR1 on his team and has been better than DJM...2021 is the earliest 2nd I have”
Give: DJM
Get: Boyd, Mack, Michel, 2021 2, 2022 2
I’m already deep at WR and RB. Then the “Boyd is WR1 on his team and has been better than DJM...2021 is the earliest 2nd I have”
Team 1
Q: Allen, Lamar
W: Devonta, Nuk, Godwin, Adams, Diontae, MT, Bateman, Toney, Osborn
R: JT, Henry, Ekeler, Gibbs, Mattison, Ford
T: Kelce
Team 2
Q: Allen, Mahomes, ARich
W: Jefferson, AJB, Tyreek, GW, Ridley, Godwin, MT, Downs, Toney
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, Breece, J. Cook, Kamara
T: Kelce, Hock
2024: 1.02, 1.04, Pick 21
2025: 1st (early)
Team 3
Q: Lamar, Herbert, Goff, Geno
W: Chase, AJB, Waddle, Pittman, Ridley, MT, Terrace Marshall, Downs
R: CMC, Ekeler, Bijan, Barkley, JT, Kamara, Tucker
T: Andrews, Granson
2024: 1.03, 3rd (late)
Team 4
Q: Mahomes, Allen, Geno
W: Tyreek, Lamb, Ridley, Pittman, Diontae, MT
R: CMC, Henry, JT, Chubb, Dobbins, Tucker
T: Kelce, Gesicki, Kittle
Q: Allen, Lamar
W: Devonta, Nuk, Godwin, Adams, Diontae, MT, Bateman, Toney, Osborn
R: JT, Henry, Ekeler, Gibbs, Mattison, Ford
T: Kelce
Team 2
Q: Allen, Mahomes, ARich
W: Jefferson, AJB, Tyreek, GW, Ridley, Godwin, MT, Downs, Toney
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, Breece, J. Cook, Kamara
T: Kelce, Hock
2024: 1.02, 1.04, Pick 21
2025: 1st (early)
Team 3
Q: Lamar, Herbert, Goff, Geno
W: Chase, AJB, Waddle, Pittman, Ridley, MT, Terrace Marshall, Downs
R: CMC, Ekeler, Bijan, Barkley, JT, Kamara, Tucker
T: Andrews, Granson
2024: 1.03, 3rd (late)
Team 4
Q: Mahomes, Allen, Geno
W: Tyreek, Lamb, Ridley, Pittman, Diontae, MT
R: CMC, Henry, JT, Chubb, Dobbins, Tucker
T: Kelce, Gesicki, Kittle
Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
Was offered:
Give: Joe Mixon and Jerry Jeudy
Get: Damien Williams, Sterling Shepard and a 2021 3rd
He didn't even comment or message to try and justify it, I have to assume he was hoping I'd accidentally hit the wrong button. When I shot him a message afterward to ask him why he sent the offer he just left it on "read".
I just love that at some point in putting the offer together he thought "nah that's not enough, gotta add on a 2021 3rd, that'll make it even" haha.
Give: Joe Mixon and Jerry Jeudy
Get: Damien Williams, Sterling Shepard and a 2021 3rd
He didn't even comment or message to try and justify it, I have to assume he was hoping I'd accidentally hit the wrong button. When I shot him a message afterward to ask him why he sent the offer he just left it on "read".
I just love that at some point in putting the offer together he thought "nah that's not enough, gotta add on a 2021 3rd, that'll make it even" haha.
Team 1 PPR (1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex)
QB: Wilson, Cousins, Rivers
RB: Mixon, Guice, Duke J, McCoy
WR: Hopkins, Evans, Allen, Hilton, AJ Brown, Crowder, Diontae, Johnson, Sanders
TE: Andrews, Davis
Team 2 .75 PPR (1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex, 1 Def)
QB: Garappolo, Flacco
RB: Kamara, Edwards, Pollard
WR: Ridley, Kirk, Pettis, Cambell, Whiteside
TE: Ertz, Davis
Team 3 PPR (1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex)
QB: Wilson, Cousins
RB: Cook, Mack, Cohen, Ingram, David Johnson, Bernard, Hill, Smallwood
WR: Allen, Diggs, Hilton, Woods, Jeffrey, Crowder, Harry
TE: Ertz, Olsen, Davis
Team 4 PPR (1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex)
QB: Ryan, Cousins, Flacco
RB: Cook, Cohen, Johnson, Ingram
WR: Evans, Cooper, Diggs, Woods, Jeffrey, Jones
TE: Ertz, Thomas
QB: Wilson, Cousins, Rivers
RB: Mixon, Guice, Duke J, McCoy
WR: Hopkins, Evans, Allen, Hilton, AJ Brown, Crowder, Diontae, Johnson, Sanders
TE: Andrews, Davis
Team 2 .75 PPR (1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex, 1 Def)
QB: Garappolo, Flacco
RB: Kamara, Edwards, Pollard
WR: Ridley, Kirk, Pettis, Cambell, Whiteside
TE: Ertz, Davis
Team 3 PPR (1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex)
QB: Wilson, Cousins
RB: Cook, Mack, Cohen, Ingram, David Johnson, Bernard, Hill, Smallwood
WR: Allen, Diggs, Hilton, Woods, Jeffrey, Crowder, Harry
TE: Ertz, Olsen, Davis
Team 4 PPR (1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex)
QB: Ryan, Cousins, Flacco
RB: Cook, Cohen, Johnson, Ingram
WR: Evans, Cooper, Diggs, Woods, Jeffrey, Jones
TE: Ertz, Thomas
Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
I like the guy, and he's a good player (champ 3 years ago), so I let him down gently...but this one made me chuckle. Team RZ in sig;
Give: Keenan + Lockett
Get: D.Jones + Bourne + 2nd (likely late)
Give: Keenan + Lockett
Get: D.Jones + Bourne + 2nd (likely late)
ESB | 14tm | 0.5 PPR | TE PPR | 0.5 1st DN
1QB | 2RB | 3WR | 1TE | 2FLEX | 1SF CHAMP
QB: Hurts, Burrow, Purdy+
RB: CMC, JT, Saquon, BRob, Zamir+
WR: Lamb, Davante, Nico, DK, Sutton+
TE: Engram, Goedert, Dulcich+
'24: 5
'25: 3+
MND | 14tm | PPR | TE 1.5PPR
1QB | 2RB | 3WR | 1TE | 2FLEX
QB: Dak, TLaw, ARich
RB: JT, ETN, Ford, Spears+
WR: Waddle, Wilson, JSN, JaMo, Sutton, Downs+
TE: Kittle, Otton+
'24: 2+
'25: 1, 2, 2+
XPCL | 12tm | 0.5 PPFD | 0.5PPR | TE PPR
1QB | 2RB | 3WR | 1TE | 2FLEX | 1SF
QB: Lamar, Purdy, Howell+
RB: Bijan, ETN, Charb, Kendre+
WR: Pittman, Amari, Pickens, Zay, JaMo+
TE: Otton+
'24: 1, 2+
'25: 1, 1, 2+
NRD | 14tm | 0.5 PPFD | 0.5PPR | DEVY
1QB | 2RB | 3WR | 2TE | 1FLEX | 1SF
QB: Fields, Stroud, Kyler
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, KW3, Javonte+
WR: Higgins, Jeudy, Dotson+
TE: Njoku, Granson+
DEVY: Odunze, KJJ, Allar, Klubnik, Owens
'24: 1.02, 1.05, 1.07, 2.05+
'25: 1, 2+
1QB | 2RB | 3WR | 1TE | 2FLEX | 1SF CHAMP
QB: Hurts, Burrow, Purdy+
RB: CMC, JT, Saquon, BRob, Zamir+
WR: Lamb, Davante, Nico, DK, Sutton+
TE: Engram, Goedert, Dulcich+
'24: 5
'25: 3+
MND | 14tm | PPR | TE 1.5PPR
1QB | 2RB | 3WR | 1TE | 2FLEX
QB: Dak, TLaw, ARich
RB: JT, ETN, Ford, Spears+
WR: Waddle, Wilson, JSN, JaMo, Sutton, Downs+
TE: Kittle, Otton+
'24: 2+
'25: 1, 2, 2+
XPCL | 12tm | 0.5 PPFD | 0.5PPR | TE PPR
1QB | 2RB | 3WR | 1TE | 2FLEX | 1SF
QB: Lamar, Purdy, Howell+
RB: Bijan, ETN, Charb, Kendre+
WR: Pittman, Amari, Pickens, Zay, JaMo+
TE: Otton+
'24: 1, 2+
'25: 1, 1, 2+
NRD | 14tm | 0.5 PPFD | 0.5PPR | DEVY
1QB | 2RB | 3WR | 2TE | 1FLEX | 1SF
QB: Fields, Stroud, Kyler
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, KW3, Javonte+
WR: Higgins, Jeudy, Dotson+
TE: Njoku, Granson+
DEVY: Odunze, KJJ, Allar, Klubnik, Owens
'24: 1.02, 1.05, 1.07, 2.05+
'25: 1, 2+
Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
Just now.
Give:
Sam Darnold
Josh Jacobs
Chris Godwin
Jerry Jeudy
Get:
Tua
McLaurin
James COnner
Tee Higgins
Give:
Sam Darnold
Josh Jacobs
Chris Godwin
Jerry Jeudy
Get:
Tua
McLaurin
James COnner
Tee Higgins
14 Team Super Flex, 1 PPR
QB, 3WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SFlex, 3 IR
QB: Davis Mills, Kenny Pickett, Sam Darnold, Matt Corral
WR: Chris Godwin, A.J Brown, D.K. Metcalf, Jerry Jeudy, Jalen Reagor, Allen Lazard, K.J. Osborn, Skyy Moore, Tutu Atwell, Greg Dortch
RB: Josh Jacobs, Khalil Herbert, Tyson Chandler, Ronald Jones, K Gainwell
TE: Robert Tonyan, David Njoku, Jonnu Smith, Gerald Everett, Jelani Woods
2023: 1.05, 1.08
2024: 1
QB, 3WR, 2RB, 1TE, 1 Flex, 1 SFlex, 3 IR
QB: Davis Mills, Kenny Pickett, Sam Darnold, Matt Corral
WR: Chris Godwin, A.J Brown, D.K. Metcalf, Jerry Jeudy, Jalen Reagor, Allen Lazard, K.J. Osborn, Skyy Moore, Tutu Atwell, Greg Dortch
RB: Josh Jacobs, Khalil Herbert, Tyson Chandler, Ronald Jones, K Gainwell
TE: Robert Tonyan, David Njoku, Jonnu Smith, Gerald Everett, Jelani Woods
2023: 1.05, 1.08
2024: 1
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
Give: Dobbins
Get: Hines
Get: Hines
Team 1
Q: Allen, Lamar
W: Devonta, Nuk, Godwin, Adams, Diontae, MT, Bateman, Toney, Osborn
R: JT, Henry, Ekeler, Gibbs, Mattison, Ford
T: Kelce
Team 2
Q: Allen, Mahomes, ARich
W: Jefferson, AJB, Tyreek, GW, Ridley, Godwin, MT, Downs, Toney
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, Breece, J. Cook, Kamara
T: Kelce, Hock
2024: 1.02, 1.04, Pick 21
2025: 1st (early)
Team 3
Q: Lamar, Herbert, Goff, Geno
W: Chase, AJB, Waddle, Pittman, Ridley, MT, Terrace Marshall, Downs
R: CMC, Ekeler, Bijan, Barkley, JT, Kamara, Tucker
T: Andrews, Granson
2024: 1.03, 3rd (late)
Team 4
Q: Mahomes, Allen, Geno
W: Tyreek, Lamb, Ridley, Pittman, Diontae, MT
R: CMC, Henry, JT, Chubb, Dobbins, Tucker
T: Kelce, Gesicki, Kittle
Q: Allen, Lamar
W: Devonta, Nuk, Godwin, Adams, Diontae, MT, Bateman, Toney, Osborn
R: JT, Henry, Ekeler, Gibbs, Mattison, Ford
T: Kelce
Team 2
Q: Allen, Mahomes, ARich
W: Jefferson, AJB, Tyreek, GW, Ridley, Godwin, MT, Downs, Toney
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, Breece, J. Cook, Kamara
T: Kelce, Hock
2024: 1.02, 1.04, Pick 21
2025: 1st (early)
Team 3
Q: Lamar, Herbert, Goff, Geno
W: Chase, AJB, Waddle, Pittman, Ridley, MT, Terrace Marshall, Downs
R: CMC, Ekeler, Bijan, Barkley, JT, Kamara, Tucker
T: Andrews, Granson
2024: 1.03, 3rd (late)
Team 4
Q: Mahomes, Allen, Geno
W: Tyreek, Lamb, Ridley, Pittman, Diontae, MT
R: CMC, Henry, JT, Chubb, Dobbins, Tucker
T: Kelce, Gesicki, Kittle
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
Lol, at least it wasn't Hines and a 3rd.
League #1- 14 tm ppr, 1Q, 2R, 3W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1K
1 DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 1 CB, 1 S, 1 flex
League #2- 12 team PPR, 1Q, 1R, 2W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1 W/R/T, 1 Def
League #3- 12 tm PPR, 1Q, 0R (yes, ZERO RB) 3W, 1T, 2 R/W/T flex, 1 Def
1 DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 1 CB, 1 S, 1 flex
League #2- 12 team PPR, 1Q, 1R, 2W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1 W/R/T, 1 Def
League #3- 12 tm PPR, 1Q, 0R (yes, ZERO RB) 3W, 1T, 2 R/W/T flex, 1 Def
Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
kvothe34 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:32 am Was offered:
Give: Joe Mixon and Jerry Jeudy
Get: Damien Williams, Sterling Shepard and a 2021 3rd
He didn't even comment or message to try and justify it, I have to assume he was hoping I'd accidentally hit the wrong button. When I shot him a message afterward to ask him why he sent the offer he just left it on "read".
I just love that at some point in putting the offer together he thought "nah that's not enough, gotta add on a 2021 3rd, that'll make it even" haha.
Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
Was just offered Snell + late 1st for CEH. Guy has a habit of making absolute trash offers, so I will just let the trade sit there for a week and go away.
Team 1: 12-team SF 0.5 PPR:
QB: Dak, Russ, Stafford, Geno, Dalton
RB: Harris, Gibson, Chubb, Cohen
WR: DK, Ridley, Kirk, Chark, Woods, C Samuel, Shepard, Reagor
TE: Fant, Knox
Team 2: 14-team PPR SF TEP:
QB: Wilson, Burrow, Geno, Foles
RB: Mixon, Gibson, Hines, Cohen, Pollard
WR: DJM, Cooper, Sutton, Deebo, R. Moore, ARSB, Eskridge, Renfrow
TE: Gesicki, Njoku, Arnold
Team 3: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Winston, Cam
RB: Harris, Ekeler, Dobbins
WR: Hill, AJB, Woods, Chark, Lockett
TE: Gesicki, OJH, Firkser
Team 4: 12-team SF TEP Devy
QB: Wilson, Geno, Ryan, Cousins
RB: Zeke, Chubb, Sanders, Pollard, Hines, Cohen, Henderson
WR: Cooper, Godwin, Sutton, JuJu, Samuel, Fuller, Shepard, Campbell
TE: Fant, Gesicki, Ertz, Freiermuth
Devy: Boutte, Young, Slovis, Harris
Team 5: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Dak, Lance, Jones, Cam
RB: Swift, Sanders, Dobbins, Pollard
WR: Sutton, DJM, Golladay, Chase, Pittman, Kirk, Campbell, Mims, Wallace
TE: Herndon, Gesicki, Freiermuth
QB: Dak, Russ, Stafford, Geno, Dalton
RB: Harris, Gibson, Chubb, Cohen
WR: DK, Ridley, Kirk, Chark, Woods, C Samuel, Shepard, Reagor
TE: Fant, Knox
Team 2: 14-team PPR SF TEP:
QB: Wilson, Burrow, Geno, Foles
RB: Mixon, Gibson, Hines, Cohen, Pollard
WR: DJM, Cooper, Sutton, Deebo, R. Moore, ARSB, Eskridge, Renfrow
TE: Gesicki, Njoku, Arnold
Team 3: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Winston, Cam
RB: Harris, Ekeler, Dobbins
WR: Hill, AJB, Woods, Chark, Lockett
TE: Gesicki, OJH, Firkser
Team 4: 12-team SF TEP Devy
QB: Wilson, Geno, Ryan, Cousins
RB: Zeke, Chubb, Sanders, Pollard, Hines, Cohen, Henderson
WR: Cooper, Godwin, Sutton, JuJu, Samuel, Fuller, Shepard, Campbell
TE: Fant, Gesicki, Ertz, Freiermuth
Devy: Boutte, Young, Slovis, Harris
Team 5: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Dak, Lance, Jones, Cam
RB: Swift, Sanders, Dobbins, Pollard
WR: Sutton, DJM, Golladay, Chase, Pittman, Kirk, Campbell, Mims, Wallace
TE: Herndon, Gesicki, Freiermuth
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
Right...I dunno if I would've been more or less offended. I was thinking like...Preston or a 2nd. But he didn't even try another offer after I said no. Quickest negotiations I've had in awhile.
Team 1
Q: Allen, Lamar
W: Devonta, Nuk, Godwin, Adams, Diontae, MT, Bateman, Toney, Osborn
R: JT, Henry, Ekeler, Gibbs, Mattison, Ford
T: Kelce
Team 2
Q: Allen, Mahomes, ARich
W: Jefferson, AJB, Tyreek, GW, Ridley, Godwin, MT, Downs, Toney
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, Breece, J. Cook, Kamara
T: Kelce, Hock
2024: 1.02, 1.04, Pick 21
2025: 1st (early)
Team 3
Q: Lamar, Herbert, Goff, Geno
W: Chase, AJB, Waddle, Pittman, Ridley, MT, Terrace Marshall, Downs
R: CMC, Ekeler, Bijan, Barkley, JT, Kamara, Tucker
T: Andrews, Granson
2024: 1.03, 3rd (late)
Team 4
Q: Mahomes, Allen, Geno
W: Tyreek, Lamb, Ridley, Pittman, Diontae, MT
R: CMC, Henry, JT, Chubb, Dobbins, Tucker
T: Kelce, Gesicki, Kittle
Q: Allen, Lamar
W: Devonta, Nuk, Godwin, Adams, Diontae, MT, Bateman, Toney, Osborn
R: JT, Henry, Ekeler, Gibbs, Mattison, Ford
T: Kelce
Team 2
Q: Allen, Mahomes, ARich
W: Jefferson, AJB, Tyreek, GW, Ridley, Godwin, MT, Downs, Toney
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, Breece, J. Cook, Kamara
T: Kelce, Hock
2024: 1.02, 1.04, Pick 21
2025: 1st (early)
Team 3
Q: Lamar, Herbert, Goff, Geno
W: Chase, AJB, Waddle, Pittman, Ridley, MT, Terrace Marshall, Downs
R: CMC, Ekeler, Bijan, Barkley, JT, Kamara, Tucker
T: Andrews, Granson
2024: 1.03, 3rd (late)
Team 4
Q: Mahomes, Allen, Geno
W: Tyreek, Lamb, Ridley, Pittman, Diontae, MT
R: CMC, Henry, JT, Chubb, Dobbins, Tucker
T: Kelce, Gesicki, Kittle
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
People will vary on this I'm sure, but as he is expected to miss several week, a contract cap league with dts.
I get: M Thomas 5yr deal
Give: Julio jones 1 yr deal and 2 firsts, (1 early mid, 1 late)
Owners have the right to match high bid and retain their players.
I get: M Thomas 5yr deal
Give: Julio jones 1 yr deal and 2 firsts, (1 early mid, 1 late)
Owners have the right to match high bid and retain their players.
PPR IDP Contract Cap:
ConF (16 Team)
DAF (16 team)
DW2- Co-Commish (16 Team)
PPR IDP Salary Cap:
Hardcore - LAC (32 team)
T1 - Commish (12 team)
T2 - Commish (16 Team)
ConF (16 Team)
DAF (16 team)
DW2- Co-Commish (16 Team)
PPR IDP Salary Cap:
Hardcore - LAC (32 team)
T1 - Commish (12 team)
T2 - Commish (16 Team)
Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
Impossible to say without knowing cap but this should be a snap accept for thomas with julio expiringmillworkguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:15 pm People will vary on this I'm sure, but as he is expected to miss several week, a contract cap league with dts.
I get: M Thomas 5yr deal
Give: Julio jones 1 yr deal and 2 firsts, (1 early mid, 1 late)
Owners have the right to match high bid and retain their players.
Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
Please explain why this is a bad offermillworkguy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:15 pm People will vary on this I'm sure, but as he is expected to miss several week, a contract cap league with dts.
I get: M Thomas 5yr deal
Give: Julio jones 1 yr deal and 2 firsts, (1 early mid, 1 late)
Owners have the right to match high bid and retain their players.
Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
Give: Slayton, Diontae Johnson
Get: Scotty Miller, Aiyuk, 2021 2nd
Just not on
Get: Scotty Miller, Aiyuk, 2021 2nd
Just not on
8 Team 1 PPR
1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX, DEF, K
QB: D. Brees, J. Goff
RB: A. Ekeler, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, M. Ingram, G. Edwards, L. Perine, T. Pollard, B. Hill, J. Jackson, T. Cohen (IR), Z. Moss (T).
WR: M. Thomas, J. Jones, C. Godwin, M. Evans, T. McLaurin, AJ. Green, T. Boyd, C. Sutton (IR), M. Williams, A. Miller, D. Slayton, T. Patrick, D. People's-Jones, N. Harry, J. Ross, G. Davis (T)
TE: Z. Ertz, J. Smith, E. Engram, D. Goedert
DST: TB
K: Y. Koo
2021: 1st, 1st, 1st
2022: 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th
1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX, DEF, K
QB: D. Brees, J. Goff
RB: A. Ekeler, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, M. Ingram, G. Edwards, L. Perine, T. Pollard, B. Hill, J. Jackson, T. Cohen (IR), Z. Moss (T).
WR: M. Thomas, J. Jones, C. Godwin, M. Evans, T. McLaurin, AJ. Green, T. Boyd, C. Sutton (IR), M. Williams, A. Miller, D. Slayton, T. Patrick, D. People's-Jones, N. Harry, J. Ross, G. Davis (T)
TE: Z. Ertz, J. Smith, E. Engram, D. Goedert
DST: TB
K: Y. Koo
2021: 1st, 1st, 1st
2022: 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th
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Re: 2020 BAD Trade Offers
One of my friends has a guy like this in one of his leagues that always sends just awful offers then justifies it by saying "it's just a first offer"...he does the same thing, just ignores it.
His comparison always makes me laugh though. He says "if (the guy) owned a car dealership, he'd put out ads saying he sells cars for $25,000 over MSRP, then wonder why nobody is in his store because it's 'just a starting point'"
PSA - Haggling is NOT the same as negotiating.
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