PPR is a farce!!!!!!

[grandmabetty]

When i first started playing i played in both ppr and standard. Standard was boring as hell and I hated it. There are about 12 valuable players in standard scoring and the rest you hoped and prayed they scored more than 10 points. If they did it was a miracle. Was like watching paint dry. Im not some sort of FF purist. Is it easier to construct a successful team in ppr? There are more valuable pieces so yes but there can still be only 1 winner and you are still competing against x amount of other teams playing by the same rules.

I will never play in a standard league again

[Ray Finkle]

I think it’s goofy that a 700 and 800 season from someone like Kamara can easily be worth 3+ ppg (full ppr) more than a 1300 and 200 yard season from someone like D.Henry.

Also, I don’t totally agree with the ppr argument for deep leagues. So, NonPPR makes it tougher to field a deep lineup...right...that’s the lure of a deeper lineup requirement.

I prefer NonPPR still but I’m not too passionate either way and enjoy it all.

[killer_of_giants]

Also, I don’t totally agree with the ppr argument for deep leagues. So, NonPPR makes it tougher to field a deep lineup...right...that’s the lure of a deeper lineup requirement.

indeed!

I love the tiered leagues, .5 for rb's, 1 pt for wr and 1.5 for te. (I also am trying to move my leagues to 5pt for passing TDs) the more balanced the scoring, I find you have teams being constructed in much different ways, and more teams being competitive.

it's just the balance you like best.

[bjd5211]

I kinda like

RB .5 ppr
WR .75 ppr
TE 1 ppr

I think it carries the right balance.

[Lumps]

I think it’s goofy that a 700 and 800 season from someone like Kamara can easily be worth 3+ ppg (full ppr) more than a 1300 and 200 yard season from someone like D.Henry.

This.

If you think PPR is needed to field lineups, why not add in return yards? That’s an actual valuable part of the game that is ignored in most leagues.

[bjd5211]

I think it’s goofy that a 700 and 800 season from someone like Kamara can easily be worth 3+ ppg (full ppr) more than a 1300 and 200 yard season from someone like D.Henry.

This.

If you think PPR is needed to field lineups, why not add in return yards? That’s an actual valuable part of the game that is ignored in most leagues.

The leagues I commish we credit players for return yards, 1 point per 25 yards.

[Pac_Eddy]

I think it’s goofy that a 700 and 800 season from someone like Kamara can easily be worth 3+ ppg (full ppr) more than a 1300 and 200 yard season from someone like D.Henry.

This.

If you think PPR is needed to field lineups, why not add in return yards? That’s an actual valuable part of the game that is ignored in most leagues.

We do that in the league that I commish. Return yards are for the player, not the DST. (It's not an IDP league)

[abloom]

I think it’s goofy that a 700 and 800 season from someone like Kamara can easily be worth 3+ ppg (full ppr) more than a 1300 and 200 yard season from someone like D.Henry.

This.

If you think PPR is needed to field lineups, why not add in return yards? That’s an actual valuable part of the game that is ignored in most leagues.

We do that in the league that I commish. Return yards are for the player, not the DST. (It's not an IDP league)

Wait... there are people who reward return yards to DSTs?

"Damn we just gave up a TD!"
"Don't worry if we get a 50 yard return we get back 1/2 the points we just lost"

[Pac_Eddy]

Most of my leagues are 0.5 ppr. I have a couple at that are the full 1 ppr. I prefer the half. Getting a full point of scoring for a zero or loss of yardage on the play is just not right.

No tiered ppr leagues yet, but I wouldn't be opposed to it.

To your 1st point, how is that any different then the full back comming in at the 1 and getting 6 points for a yard of work, while a 50 yard running play scores you only 5.

I love the tiered leagues, .5 for rb's, 1 pt for wr and 1.5 for te. (I also am trying to move my leagues to 5pt for passing TDs) the more balanced the scoring, I find you have teams being constructed in much different ways, and more teams being competitive.

The difference is the fullback getting a one yard touchdown and a 50 yard running play are both positive things for a team in real life football. A zero yard or negative yard catch are very negative, yet they are scored as positives in PPR leagues.

[millworkguy]

I love the tiered leagues, .5 for rb's, 1 pt for wr and 1.5 for te. (I also am trying to move my leagues to 5pt for passing TDs) the more balanced the scoring, I find you have teams being constructed in much different ways, and more teams being competitive.

it's just the balance you like best.

No, more people scoring closer together is more balanced. Leagues where less people score close together is less balanced.

Yes, I prefer more balanced leagues, but my point is correct.

[millworkguy]

Most of my leagues are 0.5 ppr. I have a couple at that are the full 1 ppr. I prefer the half. Getting a full point of scoring for a zero or loss of yardage on the play is just not right.

No tiered ppr leagues yet, but I wouldn't be opposed to it.

To your 1st point, how is that any different then the full back comming in at the 1 and getting 6 points for a yard of work, while a 50 yard running play scores you only 5.

I love the tiered leagues, .5 for rb's, 1 pt for wr and 1.5 for te. (I also am trying to move my leagues to 5pt for passing TDs) the more balanced the scoring, I find you have teams being constructed in much different ways, and more teams being competitive.

The difference is the fullback getting a one yard touchdown and a 50 yard running play are both positive things for a team in real life football. A zero yard or negative yard catch are very negative, yet they are scored as positives in PPR leagues.

That's where the game of football, and fantasy football differ. A zero yard pass (or negative) may lead the defense to position itself differently on the following play allowing another play to develop. Things that show as negative (in a vacuum) are not always when viewed in a larger context

[killer_of_giants]

No, more people scoring closer together is more balanced.

so the perfect balance is when every player scores the same?

[dynastyninja]

To me, points per first down is the "correct" evolution of PPR. That said, I'm only in PPR leagues, no PPFD leagues.

Maybe I'll push for a change to PPFD.

edit: now I want to start pulling up old topics to see what stupid s*** I've said here.

[millworkguy]

No, more people scoring closer together is more balanced.

so the perfect balance is when every player scores the same?

Lmao, no! I said nothing about everyone scoring equally, just more players hitting similar tiers in more positions. I like leagues where any of your positions can make just as much of a difference, not just your qb and rb's.
In my 16 team league (5 idp positions) start 11 idp, 8 off

Qb1 446 points
Rb1 480
Wr1 492
Te1 389
Dt1 342
De1 337
Lb1 321
Cb1 356
S1 396

[abloom]

No, more people scoring closer together is more balanced.

so the perfect balance is when every player scores the same?

Lmao, no! I said nothing about everyone scoring equally, just more players hitting similar tiers in more positions. I like leagues where any of your positions can make just as much of a difference, not just your qb and rb's.
In my 16 team league (5 idp positions) start 11 idp, 8 off

Qb1 446 points
Rb1 480
Wr1 492
Te1 389
Dt1 342
De1 337
Lb1 321
Cb1 356
S1 396

Just because the top scorers score similar points doesn't mean that the positions are weighted the same. Also 492 vs 321 is hugely different, you should really boost LB scoring.