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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby Valhalla » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:32 pm

OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:24 pm
This is really detailed. Are you guys related? Are you just a huge Stidham fan?
Neither. I’m just a guy who likes a healthy debate, and a healthy debate is one that brings up supporting evidence. I liked your rebuttal as it also had supporting evidence.

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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby PR0v3 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:24 pm

Looks like a “we’ll bring him in, take a look, then cut his bleep” type of deal. Cam’s arm has looked worse than 2015 Peyton Manning for 2 seasons now. Happy for him, as he seemed to be dealing with some personal issues last year, but he’s a shell of his former self.
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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:41 pm

Valhalla wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:32 pm
OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:24 pm
This is really detailed. Are you guys related? Are you just a huge Stidham fan?
Neither. I’m just a guy who likes a healthy debate, and a healthy debate is one that brings up supporting evidence. I liked your rebuttal as it also had supporting evidence.
This belongs in the "etiquette thread". :clap:
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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby Zacsby » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:34 am

Kmani6 wrote:
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:23 pm
Based on Came not being a great pocket passer.... I didn't know it was difficult
Cam isn't a good pocket passer.

Stidham on the other hand isn't a good anything. He just sucks
Yup cam isn’t a great pocket passer, but you have enough evidence to contend that Stidham who’s thrown for 14 yards and a pick in the NFL IS. NICE.
I guess you missed the part where he said Stidham might not be a good pocket passer either. We just don't know yet. It's not the fact that Cam "isn't a great pocket passer" that has led people to wonder about this. He sugarcoated that a bit. It's the fact that we have like a decade of evidence to support that Cam is a pretty terrible pocket passer. It's a known vs unknown thing. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this played out like Foles/Minshew did last year.
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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:59 am

Valhalla wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:32 pm
OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:24 pm
This is really detailed. Are you guys related? Are you just a huge Stidham fan?
Neither. I’m just a guy who likes a healthy debate, and a healthy debate is one that brings up supporting evidence. I liked your rebuttal as it also had supporting evidence.
Word. It was a detailed post and it’s the most impassioned statement of any kind that I’ve seen relating to Jarrett Stidham.

Before this my strongest take was that Stidham is a good fit for NE because his last name sounds like a town in Massachusetts.
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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby Orenthal Shames » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:11 am

The circle is complete

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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby moishetreats » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:14 am

OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:13 pm
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Cam was more than happy to force feed KB's fat bleep, so this is probably good for Harry.
That’s what I’m saying. Running lanes for Michel, more f*ckit throws downfield to guys like Harry, fewer check downs to Edelman and White.
I was about to post that this is a great value bump for White. Newton turned into a capable QB checking down to the RB: Look at CMC's stats while Newton was there. Obviously, I'm not comparing White to CMC. But Newton showed the ability and willingness to get the ball to a pass-catching RB, and Belichick loves using White in that role.
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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby Servo » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:29 am

If you owned Stidham, you easily should have known the risk of holding onto him.

Whether Cam plays well enough to get a 2nd contract or extension, TBD, but I'd have to believe that if he's 80% healthy, he'd still be New England's best option.
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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby azthecrow » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:32 am

moishetreats wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:14 am
OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:13 pm
Shankopotamus wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:02 pm
Cam was more than happy to force feed KB's fat bleep, so this is probably good for Harry.
That’s what I’m saying. Running lanes for Michel, more f*ckit throws downfield to guys like Harry, fewer check downs to Edelman and White.
I was about to post that this is a great value bump for White. Newton turned into a capable QB checking down to the RB: Look at CMC's stats while Newton was there. Obviously, I'm not comparing White to CMC. But Newton showed the ability and willingness to get the ball to a pass-catching RB, and Belichick loves using White in that role.
Good observation. I agree

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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby Orenthal Shames » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:21 am

Servo wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:29 am
If you owned Stidham, you easily should have known the risk of holding onto him.

Whether Cam plays well enough to get a 2nd contract or extension, TBD, but I'd have to believe that if he's 80% healthy, he'd still be New England's best option.
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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby Valhalla » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:56 am

OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:24 pm
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In any case, he didn't get any press/hype because he was bad as a 22 year old junior. His numbers that year compared unfavorably to Jarrett Guarantano's, whoever that is.
I'm curious about this. Can you come back to it? I'd like the source you are using. Which numbers, and compared in which way?

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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:22 am

Valhalla wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:56 am
OhCruelestRanter wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:24 pm
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In any case, he didn't get any press/hype because he was bad as a 22 year old junior. His numbers that year compared unfavorably to Jarrett Guarantano's, whoever that is.
I'm curious about this. Can you come back to it? I'd like the source you are using. Which numbers, and compared in which way?
Yup. Good question. I just went to the 2018 SEC Leaders page on sports-reference.com to see how Stidham compared to other QBs in the conference that year, and looked at passer rating and adjusted YPA. He fell behind guys like Guarantano, Kyle Shurmur, Ta’amu, Fromm, Jake Bentley, etc in those categories. Couple the sub-optimal college play with the lack of projectable, physical tools, and I think you’re left with somebody who throws a good looking ball and interviews well.

To be honest, this might not be a terrible thing for him. A little more time to study up and improve physically might help him shine later on, while being thrust into the starting role could have been a nightmare.
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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby dynastyninja » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:58 am

Cam to NE is an excellent fit and I only wonder why they didn't do it sooner. Makes too much sense. If he's healthy, Cam adds a lot to that offense.

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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby Pac_Eddy » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:13 pm

dynastyninja wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:58 am
Cam to NE is an excellent fit and I only wonder why they didn't do it sooner. Makes too much sense. If he's healthy, Cam adds a lot to that offense.
I think the reason they didn't do it sooner is that by signing now, rather than far sooner, Cam doesn't count against them for compensatory picks.
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Re: Cam Newton to Patriots

Postby YouMightDieTryin » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:19 pm

Pac_Eddy wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:13 pm
dynastyninja wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:58 am
Cam to NE is an excellent fit and I only wonder why they didn't do it sooner. Makes too much sense. If he's healthy, Cam adds a lot to that offense.
I think the reason they didn't do it sooner is that by signing now, rather than far sooner, Cam doesn't count against them for compensatory picks.
That is the exact reason as BB loves his picks. Plus there just wasn't a rush to sign him as it's nobody else was pushing to get him. The longer you hold out the less Cam is likely to accept just to take a "prove it deal."


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