J.K. Dobbins 1.01?

[Packerland]

Talent wise I have both JK and JT over CEH. I wouldn't even blame anyone for not going CEH in the top 2.

If your not i think you'd be doing a disservice to yourself if you dont at least try to trade down

I'm pretty much just taking JT in all my drafts because he's my 1.01 fairly easily. I'm just saying talent wise not taking into account situation I would take both JT and Dobbins. I think Dobbins landed in an elite spot as well and should be a beast probably starting next year.

[ThunderTung]

Talent wise I have both JK and JT over CEH. I wouldn't even blame anyone for not going CEH in the top 2.

If your not i think you'd be doing a disservice to yourself if you dont at least try to trade down

I'm pretty much just taking JT in all my drafts because he's my 1.01 fairly easily. I'm just saying talent wise not taking into account situation I would take both JT and Dobbins. I think Dobbins landed in an elite spot as well and should be a beast probably starting next year.

Long term yea, but if your competing and fell onto the 1.01 CEH is a no brainer for me. He'll probably have the best year, i just dont expect him to have the best career

[gogobradyarm]

Well I did it. I took him over JT. No ragrets!

[FantasyFreak]

If your not i think you'd be doing a disservice to yourself if you dont at least try to trade down

I'm pretty much just taking JT in all my drafts because he's my 1.01 fairly easily. I'm just saying talent wise not taking into account situation I would take both JT and Dobbins. I think Dobbins landed in an elite spot as well and should be a beast probably starting next year.

Long term yea, but if your competing and fell onto the 1.01 CEH is a no brainer for me. He'll probably have the best year, i just dont expect him to have the best career

I love JT but honestly, hard to argue over CEH on their first contracts. CEH is locked into Mahomes/Reid and a top offense, for basically his entire rookie deal, most likely. Indy has major QB questions now and in the future. Rivers may be even worse than last year, and then what after him? A lot more uncertainty in JT's outlook. Love the talent, and I think he can have a Nick Chubb like numbers. We shall see. I think it's quite possible they both do really well. Having Dobbins, JT and CEH overall, in my leagues makes it easier to choose. I took CEH over JT in one league, and JT over CEH in an auction where they went for similar prices, to diversify. Got Dobbins on both of those teams, too. In half PPR I'd lean JT, but full PPR Clyde if people were deciding between the two and didn't want to take Dobbins.

[ThunderTung]

I'm pretty much just taking JT in all my drafts because he's my 1.01 fairly easily. I'm just saying talent wise not taking into account situation I would take both JT and Dobbins. I think Dobbins landed in an elite spot as well and should be a beast probably starting next year.

Long term yea, but if your competing and fell onto the 1.01 CEH is a no brainer for me. He'll probably have the best year, i just dont expect him to have the best career

I love JT but honestly, hard to argue over CEH on their first contracts. CEH is locked into Mahomes/Reid and a top offense, for basically his entire rookie deal, most likely. Indy has major QB questions now and in the future. Rivers may be even worse than last year, and then what after him? A lot more uncertainty in JT's outlook. Love the talent, and I think he can have a Nick Chubb like numbers. We shall see. I think it's quite possible they both do really well. Having Dobbins, JT and CEH overall, in my leagues makes it easier to choose. I took CEH over JT in one league, and JT over CEH in an auction where they went for similar prices, to diversify. Got Dobbins on both of those teams, too. In half PPR I'd lean JT, but full PPR Clyde if people were deciding between the two and didn't want to take Dobbins.

I just wish Swift had gone somewhere else. He was my favorite rb in the class till he went to detroit

[FantasyFreak]

Long term yea, but if your competing and fell onto the 1.01 CEH is a no brainer for me. He'll probably have the best year, i just dont expect him to have the best career

I love JT but honestly, hard to argue over CEH on their first contracts. CEH is locked into Mahomes/Reid and a top offense, for basically his entire rookie deal, most likely. Indy has major QB questions now and in the future. Rivers may be even worse than last year, and then what after him? A lot more uncertainty in JT's outlook. Love the talent, and I think he can have a Nick Chubb like numbers. We shall see. I think it's quite possible they both do really well. Having Dobbins, JT and CEH overall, in my leagues makes it easier to choose. I took CEH over JT in one league, and JT over CEH in an auction where they went for similar prices, to diversify. Got Dobbins on both of those teams, too. In half PPR I'd lean JT, but full PPR Clyde if people were deciding between the two and didn't want to take Dobbins.

I just wish Swift had gone somewhere else. He was my favorite rb in the class till he went to detroit

Swift was my favourite RB coming into this year, as all I had done was watched highlights of the class a year before they were declaring, just to familiarize myself with them a bit. When I started watching actual game cut ups, he dropped significantly for me. I'd still draft him, but don't love the spot and I think he's more of a committee type back in the NFL with his skill set. Hope he can be like a Kamara type player who is really emphasized in the passing game, getting him into space. The Lions are either good or they will have a new coach next year, so who knows what that would do for him....

[Mike11]

I love JT but honestly, hard to argue over CEH on their first contracts. CEH is locked into Mahomes/Reid and a top offense, for basically his entire rookie deal, most likely. Indy has major QB questions now and in the future. Rivers may be even worse than last year, and then what after him? A lot more uncertainty in JT's outlook. Love the talent, and I think he can have a Nick Chubb like numbers. We shall see. I think it's quite possible they both do really well. Having Dobbins, JT and CEH overall, in my leagues makes it easier to choose. I took CEH over JT in one league, and JT over CEH in an auction where they went for similar prices, to diversify. Got Dobbins on both of those teams, too. In half PPR I'd lean JT, but full PPR Clyde if people were deciding between the two and didn't want to take Dobbins.

I just wish Swift had gone somewhere else. He was my favorite rb in the class till he went to detroit

Swift was my favourite RB coming into this year, as all I had done was watched highlights of the class a year before they were declaring, just to familiarize myself with them a bit. When I started watching actual game cut ups, he dropped significantly for me. I'd still draft him, but don't love the spot and I think he's more of a committee type back in the NFL with his skill set. Hope he can be like a Kamara type player who is really emphasized in the passing game, getting him into space. The Lions are either good or they will have a new coach next year, so who knows what that would do for him....

Swifts 18 tape pops off the screen to me a lot more than 19. Not sure if there was an underlying injury in 19 but he has the tools to be an elite three down back in my book. I’m drafting the talent, the lions are still a team that made riddick relevant just from a ppr standpoint.

[FantasyFreak]

I just wish Swift had gone somewhere else. He was my favorite rb in the class till he went to detroit

Swift was my favourite RB coming into this year, as all I had done was watched highlights of the class a year before they were declaring, just to familiarize myself with them a bit. When I started watching actual game cut ups, he dropped significantly for me. I'd still draft him, but don't love the spot and I think he's more of a committee type back in the NFL with his skill set. Hope he can be like a Kamara type player who is really emphasized in the passing game, getting him into space. The Lions are either good or they will have a new coach next year, so who knows what that would do for him....

Swifts 18 tape pops off the screen to me a lot more than 19. Not sure if there was an underlying injury in 19 but he has the tools to be an elite three down back in my book. I’m drafting the talent, the lions are still a team that made riddick relevant just from a ppr standpoint.

I still have issues with him between the tackles. He lacks leg drive, and just doesn't really do get in the end zone enough. I don't think he'll be the goal line option, and I think he lacks the strength in his legs that other backs like Dobbins and Akers have, who squat 700 pounds, basically. That shows up on tape consistently in both years for me. I think Swift could be a Sanders type back, which is really good. I think he has better instincts than Sanders as a runner, I just think he is a 1A in a committee, rather than a bell cow. Riddick was a converted WR, and that was a different OC. I think Swift is talented, but not more talented than other backs in this class, and although he can play on all 3 downs, I don't think he can be a bell cow. As a matter of fact, I'd bet against it, but he can still be a good PPR option.

[esloan35]

Well I did it. I took him over JT. No ragrets!

Traded CEH for Dobbins and a 2021 1st, with some other nuggets mixed in. Don’t hate it!

[Packerland]

Well I did it. I took him over JT. No ragrets!

Traded CEH for Dobbins and a 2021 1st, with some other nuggets mixed in. Don’t hate it!

I would have done that as well.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Well I did it. I took him over JT. No ragrets!

Traded CEH for Dobbins and a 2021 1st, with some other nuggets mixed in. Don’t hate it!

I had a 1.03 in 14 team Superflex where Burrow and Tua went 1-2 and I couldn’t get anything close to this. 1.03 and 2.10 for 1.04, 2.07 and a 4th got declined. 1.03 for 1.05 and 2.02 got declined.

[MEuRaH]

Traded CEH for Dobbins and a 2021 1st, with some other nuggets mixed in. Don’t hate it!

You also gave up Josh Kelley and Bryan Edwards. Makes it closer. I'd still want the Dobbins side.

[mgscott]

Traded CEH for Dobbins and a 2021 1st, with some other nuggets mixed in. Don’t hate it!

You also gave up Josh Kelley and Bryan Edwards. Makes it closer. I'd still want the Dobbins side.

What was the full trade here? If you gave up other pieces, that makes a big difference. I like trading CEH for Dobbins and a 2021 1st, but like it a lot less if you have to also give Edwards and Kelley.

[stoneghost28]

The top 4 RB's this year ( CEH, Dobbins, Swift, Taylor ) all ran behind top 10 college ranked offensive lines.

OSU, LSU, Wisconsin, and Georgia will always have good offensive lines because of recruiting. Can’t really fault the individual player (RB) for that. However, it is interesting to see how the RB’s yardage actually splits up. Very different to run behind a top 10 line and only beat up poor defenses vs. consistently show up against the best defensive lines. Dobbins seemed to legitimately get better when he played elite defenses. He always looked dominant. Dobbins also had the toughest schedule vs run defense compared to any of the R1-R3 RB’s in the draft this year.

It's not about faulting, it's about trying to figure out how to discern the difference between system backs that took advantage of elite OL's like Dayne, Ball, Weber, Michel, and countless others at Ohio State, Georgia, and Wisconsin, and truly elite guys like Chubb, Zeke, Herschel Walker for old timers, and Melvin Gordon. There are many reasons why teams aren't going 2005 style after.running backs in the blue chip zone (the famed Ronnie Brown, Caddy Williams, Cedric Benson top 10) anymore and it's not just RB health/career arc, it's also about the perception that analytics has shown you that you can get elite RB production if you've got a quality offensive line from middle of the road RB talent, and also get passing game help as well. Wisconsin gets elite RB production from EVERYONE. This is why I'm ALWAYS skittish about Wisconsin RB's, and was about Taylor as well until I saw the whole profile post combine. You've got a laundry list of guys producing good to great seasons literally every single season, and very few of them have actually turned into legit bell cow backs, the hit rate is sub 10% in terms of bell cows (they have produced a nice pile of satellite backs like T. Fletcher, Calhoun and White), before Gordon the only guy I could think of were Michael Bennett whose career was derailed by injury, while there are a ton of guys in that Brent Moss, Ron Dayne, Anthony Davis, PJ Hill, John Clay, Montee ball, it goes on and on and on. So figuring out the difference here is a big deal. I think there's more than enough to Taylor's profile to justify the expenditure of draft capital, but that was true of a lot of other guys as well.

A great offensive line can make middling talent look much better than it actually is. It's true. Doesn't mean Taylor or Dobbins will stink with normative blocking, it just means that you have dig pretty damn deep and not make assumptions that 2000 yards in Wisconsin's system proves all it needs to prove when guys like Ball, PJ Hill and John freaking Clay had no problem running behind those behemoths against those unathletic/slow Big-10 D's for 1500+ seasons w/o any trouble to speak of. I'm buying on all these guys, but Akers has done something none of them did, and it's prove himself with no help whatsoever from his teammates period. It's kind of the opposite coin of Dobbins consistent elite production no matter the competition. That matters too and is a reason I'm confused about his undervaluation pre-draft, he produced consistently against all elite defenses he faced, and wasn't just pounding on a bunch of slugs which was what the bulk of Taylor's career was. It's precisely why I've been willing to trade down to 1.03 repeatedly, I actually do think that while Taylor is fundamentally a superior prospect in terms of production and athleticism markers, it's Dobbins, rather than Taylor, that has proven it consistently against NFL caliber talent. Taylor was largely shut down in his biggest games of the year, Dobbins? Absolutely not. That being said, Dobbins also had a stud OL to help open those holes. It definitely gets to be a circular argument here where I end up feeling like a hamster whose nearly at the finish line of that wheel but is just deceiving himself. I love all these guys and end up finding reasons to find fault across the board, OL is definitely a concern for me. Having elite OL's can definitely camouflage the true talent and skill of a player which is why the combine is such a big deal (having Dobbins absolutely kill it in Nike testing when he was 18 addressed that problem for me, as did his cementing his athletic legacy in Ohio State training drills where apparently he's top 5 or higher at everything that matters).

[FantasyFreak]

I think Dobbins may produce more than people think year 1. Gus Edwards will not hold him off, and Ingram is another year older, and only carried a little over 200 times last year. I can also see them giving Lamar a few less designed runs. Looking at the Ravens schedule, although they finished as one of the leagues best teams, they got THE easiest schedule in the entire NFL based on opponents winning percentage. They are currently favoured for all 16 of their games. Translation: Lots of 2nd half running.