Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

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Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

Postby Johnny B. Goode » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:12 am

Cameron Giles wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:02 am
Ryantacular wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:41 am Everyone saying you can't immediately move him to 1.01 are all people who don't have 1.01 and just hoping he drops.
In every league I'm in, I'm now hoping that people take him 1.01.
Same. I own 1.02 in one league 1.01 in another

I'm not taking him 1.01, and I hope the guy who has 1.01 where I have 1.02 takes him

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Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

Postby PR0v3 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:28 am

It appears many are still stuck on the idea that there is an elite RB prospect in this class, this is not the case. The RB class is solid, but there is no traditionally elite type prospect. CEH is certainly comparable to any RB in this class, if not the best given his modern skillset, so I fail to see how he is a situation guy. The only argument for him not being the 1.01 is if you decide to go WR, since the WR class appears to have better relative talent.
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Re: CEH is your new 1.01

Postby jomaed » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:41 am

stoneghost28 wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:53 am Go for it. I trust drafting for talent over situation.
Well we know at least 1 HC thinks CEH is the most talented back in this class. Ill trust one of the great offensive minds in the league.

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Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

Postby drbuttermaker » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:54 am

This thread is fantastic.

Dear people who do not think he is the 1.1: You are absolutely correct. You can stop reading this post now.

Dear people who think he is the 1.1: We all need to shut the hell up and let the other people talk.

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Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

Postby Life of Pablo » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:23 am

My possibly controversial take is that CEH is probably the 1.01, but that speaks more to the weak 2020 class (in fantasy/dynasty terms) than CEH himself.

2020 RB class was (and still is) way too overhyped, and WR class is great but unfortunately no landing spots to feel great about. Anybody who traded 2019 picks/prospects away for the "loaded" 2020 class is now trying to ignore the possibility that they made a bad decision.
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Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

Postby tresskid84 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:25 am

Life of Pablo wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:23 am My possibly controversial take is that CEH is probably the 1.01, but that speaks more to the weak 2020 class (in fantasy/dynasty terms) than CEH himself.

2020 RB class was (and still is) way too overhyped, and WR class is great but unfortunately no landing spots to feel great about. Anybody who traded 2019 picks/prospects away for the "loaded" 2020 class is now trying to ignore the possibility that they made a bad decision.
That is an extremely hot take to me, haha.
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Re: CEH is your new 1.01

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:35 am

jomaed wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:41 am
stoneghost28 wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:53 am Go for it. I trust drafting for talent over situation.
Well we know at least 1 HC thinks CEH is the most talented back in this class. Ill trust one of the great offensive minds in the league.
Did you think Mecole Hardman was better than DK Metcalf too?
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Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

Postby murphysxm » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:45 am

My take is yes, it elevates him and yes Andy Reid likes him. That still doesn't me feel like he is remotely a lock for 1.01. He was at the bottom of my 2nd tier before yesterday. He simply doesn't elevate that far for me. I wonder how many guys saying he is a 1.01 spent a 2nd round pick on Darwin Thompson last year?

CEH did nothing as a freshman, was mediocre as a sophmore and had a great junior season, in one of the best college offenses ever. Sure KC is an awesome spot, but not a 1.01 player to me. That's fine though, it would be no fun if every draft was the same.
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Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

Postby pvillebiker » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:57 am

Life of Pablo wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:23 am My possibly controversial take is that CEH is probably the 1.01, but that speaks more to the weak 2020 class (in fantasy/dynasty terms) than CEH himself.

2020 RB class was (and still is) way too overhyped, and WR class is great but unfortunately no landing spots to feel great about. Anybody who traded 2019 picks/prospects away for the "loaded" 2020 class is now trying to ignore the possibility that they made a bad decision.
Agree on Jeudy and Lamb's uninspiring landing spots, but I'm digging Jefferson to Vikings, Reagor to Eagles, Aiyuk to Niners, and even Ruggs to the Raiders as pretty decent landing spots. Their respective values all went up based on their landing spots by my reckoning, with possible exception of Jefferson. And his didn't drop his value.

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Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

Postby alewilliam789 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:03 am

Life of Pablo wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:23 am My possibly controversial take is that CEH is probably the 1.01, but that speaks more to the weak 2020 class (in fantasy/dynasty terms) than CEH himself.

2020 RB class was (and still is) way too overhyped, and WR class is great but unfortunately no landing spots to feel great about. Anybody who traded 2019 picks/prospects away for the "loaded" 2020 class is now trying to ignore the possibility that they made a bad decision.
I’m in this camp right now. This class has overwhelmed as draft season has unfolded and the RB crop has really lost its luster. I’m not saying the top 4 RBs aren’t good, but I’ve heard it’s 2018 without Barkley and I think that’s accurate. A lot of good talents, no great ones and if you cashed in on the hype of 2020 picks I think you won’t end up regretting it
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Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:09 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:51 am
Ryantacular wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:41 am Everyone saying you can't immediately move him to 1.01 are all people who don't have 1.01 and just hoping he drops.
I really don't think that's the case. I have 1.01 and am waiting to see how things play out, but I am definitely considering. I think you're jumping to conclusions, here.
Yeah let's wait for the other guys to get drafted tonight... I have the 1.02 and given at least one of the other 3 guys go to a good spot, I'll likely have them #1 and hope CEH goes first. So, really it's the opposite way I'm thinking

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Re: CEH is your new 1.01

Postby Zacsby » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:11 am

OhCruelestRanter wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:35 am
jomaed wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:41 am
stoneghost28 wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:53 am Go for it. I trust drafting for talent over situation.
Well we know at least 1 HC thinks CEH is the most talented back in this class. Ill trust one of the great offensive minds in the league.
Did you think Mecole Hardman was better than DK Metcalf too?
The jury isn't even out on that yet. I'm not saying Mecole is better but for what KC was looking for maybe he is. He had 500 and 6 TDs on 26 receptions. DK had 300 more yards and 1 more TD on twice as many receptions. What would have happened if Tyreek Hill didn't make it back onto the field? Taking a WR late in round 2 is not the same as taking a RB in round 1 and what's expected of each player individually and/or the situation they're walking into as far as competition isn't even remotely comparable imo.
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Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:15 am

PR0v3 wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:28 am It appears many are still stuck on the idea that there is an elite RB prospect in this class, this is not the case. The RB class is solid, but there is no traditionally elite type prospect. CEH is certainly comparable to any RB in this class, if not the best given his modern skillset, so I fail to see how he is a situation guy. The only argument for him not being the 1.01 is if you decide to go WR, since the WR class appears to have better relative talent.
He's good. Probably just as good as the rest of the RB to a degree. I agree there's no top guy on paper. If you feel CEH was already in the top tier of RB, then he should easily be your 1.01 as of now.

This thread was made right after we found out his situation. How does that not make his value based on situation? Lol

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Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

Postby CGW » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:19 am

I don't have the 1.01 so it doesn't matter to me. I do think in PPR CEH is an extremely safe bet now. If the Colts, ravens, bucs, etc take an RB early tonight there will be quite a bit of conversation about 1.01.

Last thing, where players are being drafted has zero indication on the lack of strength of a class. I'd argue the other way. The pre-draft 5th best RB going in the 1st shows how strong of depth this class has. It also shows how fit is more important to some of these coaches than combine metrics. Who knows if 19 or 20 is stronger. In 2024 we can come back and make that call.
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Re: Clyde Edwards-Helaire is your new 1.01

Postby the_lung » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:51 am

I really can’t believe what I am seeing here. Pre-draft and based on college tape evaluations, Clyde Edwards-Helaire was DLF’s 5th ranked running back in the consensus rankings. He was Matt Waldman’s 7th ranked RB. Yes, Andy Reid has a history of turning RBs into fantasy gold. Yes, the Chiefs have a high powered offense and this was a primo landing spot for CEH. But talent always triumphs over landing spot, and some of the people immediately proclaiming this guy the 1.01 pick seem a little naive. In the past 20 years, the list of RBs who floundered in supposedly primo landing spots is a trail of tears. Furthermore, nobody even knows yet where the landing spots are for arguably superior talents like Swift, Taylor, and Dobbins!

Look, does Clyde Edwards-Helaire move up in my rankings for now based on the draft thus far? Absolutely! But let’s pump the brakes on already declaring him the 1.01 pick in 2020 dynasty league rookie drafts. Let the draft play out and then the debate can truly begin in earnest.


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