Acquiring Kamara

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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby jonesmaster » Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:49 pm

FantasyFoosball wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:40 pm You think a mid first and a WR2 equals Kamara? In what universe is a Kamara owner taking that deal? Kamara is a top 5 RB.
When your assets are Kamara, Mixon, Ekeler, Keenan Allen your team is terrible. ABJ and 1.05 is 3X 1st value. Not sure what you're expecting to get as a return, but i wouldn't pay more than that when i have 1.02 and 1.03.
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RB: AK , Mostert
WR: Godwin , Deebo , Dotson , Hollywood, Addison, E. Moore
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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby Z$$$ » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:07 pm

Gator Sens wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:34 pm Sutton + Brown might get the conversation started based on the other teams lack of wr's. He/she will likely want a RB coming back as well though. Maybe Guice? An overpay is probably the only way to land Kamara.
This is where I’d start.
12 Team 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1Flex, 5IDP
QB: Rodgers, Love
RB: Achane, Gibson, Dillon, Sanders
WR: Jefferson, Lamb, G Wilson, Rice, Burks
TE: Goedert, Likely, Musgraves
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QB: Stafford, Fields
RB: Gibbs, Singletary, Dallas, Juszczyk
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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby Z$$$ » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:13 pm

I inquired about Kamara in one of my leagues where I’d give up Adams+ for Kamara+ and was told I wouldn’t get Kamara alone for Adams+.

Never hurts to offer whatever you want for a player(s). But don’t be surprised when it gets rejected even though a trade calculator told you it was fair. That’s happened to me more than I can count.
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QB: Rodgers, Love
RB: Achane, Gibson, Dillon, Sanders
WR: Jefferson, Lamb, G Wilson, Rice, Burks
TE: Goedert, Likely, Musgraves
2024 Picks: 1.04, 1.05, 1.11

16 Team 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2Flex
QB: Stafford, Fields
RB: Gibbs, Singletary, Dallas, Juszczyk
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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby Finfansteve » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:15 pm

I think if I owned Kamara if you came at me with two first round picks and AJB I’d have to at least consider it. If you’re not willing to give up a package like that to acquire him it’s time to stand pat or look for another trade target.
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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby blemly » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:26 pm

It is, as always, league dependent. A pretty conservative owner that owned Kamara sold him this offseason in one of my leagues for 1.05 + Mack + 2021 2nd. Cheaaap, but hey, it’s possible I guess.

I’d start with AJB + Guice + 2nd.
Team 1: 12-team SF 0.5 PPR:
QB: Dak, Russ, Stafford, Geno, Dalton
RB: Harris, Gibson, Chubb, Cohen
WR: DK, Ridley, Kirk, Chark, Woods, C Samuel, Shepard, Reagor
TE: Fant, Knox
Team 2: 14-team PPR SF TEP:
QB: Wilson, Burrow, Geno, Foles
RB: Mixon, Gibson, Hines, Cohen, Pollard
WR: DJM, Cooper, Sutton, Deebo, R. Moore, ARSB, Eskridge, Renfrow
TE: Gesicki, Njoku, Arnold
Team 3: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Winston, Cam
RB: Harris, Ekeler, Dobbins
WR: Hill, AJB, Woods, Chark, Lockett
TE: Gesicki, OJH, Firkser
Team 4: 12-team SF TEP Devy
QB: Wilson, Geno, Ryan, Cousins
RB: Zeke, Chubb, Sanders, Pollard, Hines, Cohen, Henderson
WR: Cooper, Godwin, Sutton, JuJu, Samuel, Fuller, Shepard, Campbell
TE: Fant, Gesicki, Ertz, Freiermuth
Devy: Boutte, Young, Slovis, Harris
Team 5: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Dak, Lance, Jones, Cam
RB: Swift, Sanders, Dobbins, Pollard
WR: Sutton, DJM, Golladay, Chase, Pittman, Kirk, Campbell, Mims, Wallace
TE: Herndon, Gesicki, Freiermuth

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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby srlarson » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:58 pm

I would say a starting point is 2 first equivalent.....so if needs WR.....maybe Evans, AJB and the 1.05

with the 1.02 and the 1.03 you might get him for both of those.....
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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby OhSnapItsAnt » Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:07 pm

srlarson wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:58 pm I would say a starting point is 2 first equivalent.....so if needs WR.....maybe Evans, AJB and the 1.05

with the 1.02 and the 1.03 you might get him for both of those.....
This sounds right to me, I like the idea of moving Mike Evans. I don’t think Brady will be good thing for him.

Maybe package
AJB or Mike Evans
1.5
Guice (or KJ)
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1-QB 1-SF 3-WR 2-RB 1-TE 1-Flex
QB: Allen, Burrow, Goff, Aidan OConnel
RB: ETN, K Walker, Swift, D Pierce, Monty, Herbert, McLaughlin
WR: Deebo, AJB, Lamb, DJM, Dell, Higgins, Jeudy, E Moore, Michael Wilson, Tutu
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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:19 pm

As others have said, the offer you're considering to send isn't particularly close. It's basically Brown + Kerryon for Kamara + Henry. The secondary pieces really don't add much value as throw-ins.

If you're trying to construct an offer around Brown, I'd try opening with Brown + 1.05 + Hunt for Kamara + 2nd. But if I were the Kamara owner, I'd probably want the 1.02 or 1.03 included instead.
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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby makemeasandwich » Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:44 pm

FantasyFoosball wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:40 pm You think a mid first and a WR2 equals Kamara? In what universe is a Kamara owner taking that deal? Kamara is a top 5 RB.
You've got the hyper argumentative dynasty owner shtick down swimmingly :clap: . This poor guy is simply asking for some constructive feedback, my lord.

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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby Nick110 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:23 am

I agree with having to overpay to get him, if it were me I think AJ 1.05 and 2021 1st has a shot... I would also rather include Sutton than AJB... I’m not sure how you feel about Kerryon but I’m not particularly high and if he doesn’t value picks maybe something along the lines of Kerryon, Sutton, 21 1st sways him..

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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby FantasyFoosball » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:56 am

makemeasandwich wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:44 pm
FantasyFoosball wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:40 pm You think a mid first and a WR2 equals Kamara? In what universe is a Kamara owner taking that deal? Kamara is a top 5 RB.
You've got the hyper argumentative dynasty owner shtick down swimmingly :clap: . This poor guy is simply asking for some constructive feedback, my lord.
Well thank you.
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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby Sfoster2625 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:04 am

zdhaugen wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:51 pm
Z$$$ wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:40 pm Not close at all. If I’ve got Kamara I don’t want anyone involved but AJB. And no way you’re getting HH too.
Ok, I gotchya. Do you have any advice that would be helpful for the trade that is still beneficial to me? I could do Mike Evans or Odell instead. Or I could take out the tight ends. Also, I looked at multiple trade calcualtors, and Dynasty 101 had it as even, and Dynasty process had it as even if I took out tight ends and draft pick. So I think your values might not be quite in line with market value, but dynasty is subjective to I respect that.
The thing is kamara is considered a stud by almost everyone in the dynasty community. Your gonna have to overpay for a stud bc why would the other guy get rid of one if he wasn’t getting over paid? I use the dynasty 101 trade calculator as a starting point but it’s not gospel especially for players in different tiers. If you read the paragraph above the calculator it even says your gonna have to overpay for players in higher tiers. Plus certain leagues value certain positions higher then consensus. Like qbs seem to be way more valuable in my 1QB league then most
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Wr: devante Adams, godwin, juju, mclaurin, diontae johnson, mims, Allen Robinson, gallup, Preston Williams
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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby Sfoster2625 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:07 am

If he’s rebuilding I would start with sutton, brown and 1.02. Kamara is probably valued right behind Barkley and mccaffrey in most leagues
Qb: Mahomes
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Wr: devante Adams, godwin, juju, mclaurin, diontae johnson, mims, Allen Robinson, gallup, Preston Williams
Te: hock, fant
Cb: Kyle fuller, Carlton Davis
S: Jamal Adams, Justin poyer
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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby blemly » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:50 am

Sfoster2625 wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:07 am If he’s rebuilding I would start with sutton, brown and 1.02. Kamara is probably valued right behind Barkley and mccaffrey in most leagues
I think we’re swinging too far the other way now. Sutton + AJB + 1.02 feels like an overpay and I wouldn’t start with that.
Team 1: 12-team SF 0.5 PPR:
QB: Dak, Russ, Stafford, Geno, Dalton
RB: Harris, Gibson, Chubb, Cohen
WR: DK, Ridley, Kirk, Chark, Woods, C Samuel, Shepard, Reagor
TE: Fant, Knox
Team 2: 14-team PPR SF TEP:
QB: Wilson, Burrow, Geno, Foles
RB: Mixon, Gibson, Hines, Cohen, Pollard
WR: DJM, Cooper, Sutton, Deebo, R. Moore, ARSB, Eskridge, Renfrow
TE: Gesicki, Njoku, Arnold
Team 3: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Winston, Cam
RB: Harris, Ekeler, Dobbins
WR: Hill, AJB, Woods, Chark, Lockett
TE: Gesicki, OJH, Firkser
Team 4: 12-team SF TEP Devy
QB: Wilson, Geno, Ryan, Cousins
RB: Zeke, Chubb, Sanders, Pollard, Hines, Cohen, Henderson
WR: Cooper, Godwin, Sutton, JuJu, Samuel, Fuller, Shepard, Campbell
TE: Fant, Gesicki, Ertz, Freiermuth
Devy: Boutte, Young, Slovis, Harris
Team 5: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Dak, Lance, Jones, Cam
RB: Swift, Sanders, Dobbins, Pollard
WR: Sutton, DJM, Golladay, Chase, Pittman, Kirk, Campbell, Mims, Wallace
TE: Herndon, Gesicki, Freiermuth

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Re: Acquiring Kamara

Postby makemeasandwich » Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:18 am

I think you should just table trying to buy him, he’ll be disproportionately expensive compared to his productivity.


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