More 2020 Hype: "If You Need A RB or WR, this is the draft for you."

[bjd5211]

Tyler Johnson opting not to run the 40 is concerning

Ya, if anything guys are usually better off running their 40 at the Combine on the Turf in Indy (which was put in to take advantage of the Colts' speed) than on grass at most of their pro days. I can understand prefering to do any skills testing at the Pro Day, but for the athletic testing conditions probably won't get any better than they would at the Combine.

[Lord_Varys]

Tyler Johnson opting not to run the 40 is concerning

This year's Kelvin Harmon. Devy players love him, NFL won't, for whatever reasons. Too bad, he looks great on the field to me.

[Ice]

Tyler Johnson opting not to run the 40 is concerning

Good Player with Tom Brady Speed.....

[alewilliam789]

Tyler Johnson opting not to run the 40 is concerning

This year's Kelvin Harmon. Devy players love him, NFL won't, for whatever reasons. Too bad, he looks great on the field to me.

His advanced stats are very good, but yeah its looking more and more like this. Good player without NFL athleticism

[stoneghost28]

Treadwell wasn't remotely close to the prospect Jeudy is.

But that's not my point.

But, then what's the point of comparing it to Treadwell? We know he wasn't viewed as an elite WR prospect. He even fell in rank around draft time, even though he still ended up as a 1st round pick.

Jeudy is viewed as an elite WR prospect.

I don't know, I think people have quickly forgotten that before the combine in '16, there was a lot of debate over whether Treadwell or Zeke should be the 1.01. I saw plenty of lists with Treadwell there, then they all fell off after Treadwell had a worst case scenario combine. Just spitballing from memory it wouldn't surprise me if around 40-45% of people had Treadwell the 1.01 in December of '15, especially coming on the heels of the '14 draft class just two years earlier. There was a heavy tilt back then towards WR's w/people still distrusting RB's after the horrific '09-'14 run of RB classes (and '16 would turn out largely god awful too). Treadwell was a hot prospect when he broke out as a freshmen, and was headed to an excellent second year when his leg exploded on that potential game winning play that ended his season against Auburn. He finished up well, building on that very good shortened '14 season, and was considered an elite prospect. I think what hurt him was the combo of a devastating leg injury in '14 and an awful combine in '16. Before that, he was 1.01 for quite a few people, and 1.02 for most of the rest. He's one of those guys where the combine seemed pretty revealing about a neutered level of athleticism that he just got away with in school but couldn't in the pro's (I still think he could be a very good chain mover w/another team, but that ship has probably sailed).

[stoneghost28]

Again, not everybody had Jeudy as the WR1. If he's your WR1, then I agree, until the combine, he should be there. Nothing should have changed. However, the same can be said for Lamb. As of now, they are identically graded on NFL.com. The original conversation was about post combine, though, and if certain WR's like Reagor blow up the combine, that they would move up. I wasn't about adjusting Jeudy's rank right now, to my knowledge.

Treadwell running a 4.6 plus on a hand time was really bad. I'd say if Jeudy can't break 4.5, I'd readjust my view on him. It wouldn't be a killer, but I'd definitely drop him a bit.

A majority of the experts I've listened to have Lamb as the #1, even heard one individual who had Reagor as his #1, and another that wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being the #1. Also got a tweet at a redskins forum I post at that mentioned that there were no Alabama players in the top 15 other than (trying to remember) a healthy Tua, and I think Wills. Jeudy was not mentioned (sense I got was he was a likely 1st, but 2nd half of the first). Now bare in mind, that would surprise me, but the argument that Jeudy has been, and is the #1 locked in, no question, is just flat out not true, like period.

If you're right, and he's your #1 and you have the ammo, go get him. It's not personal that other people disagree, there's plenty of evidenciary support to back up the disagreement. We'll see how it plays out. I think he and Lamb and one or two other WR's could become big time steals by 2022 or thereabout considering none of these WR's are likely to go top 3 overall in most drafts. They're gonna look like damn valuable options that were megasteal's two year down the line just as DJ Moore, and Sutton have proven to have been far more valuable than nearly all the RB's in the '18 class, and AJ Brown and DK Metcalf proved to be at least as valuable if not moreso than all the RB's in '19. I understand the RB's going off the board early this year, and I'll be getting in on the fun with my 8 or so top 3 overall picks, but I also think given time, those who landed guys like Jeudy, Lamb, Reagor, and 1 or 2 others will look even smarter considering how much cheaper they will have been a few years down the line.

[Farley]

But that's not my point.

But, then what's the point of comparing it to Treadwell? We know he wasn't viewed as an elite WR prospect. He even fell in rank around draft time, even though he still ended up as a 1st round pick.

Jeudy is viewed as an elite WR prospect.

I don't know, I think people have quickly forgotten that before the combine in '16, there was a lot of debate over whether Treadwell or Zeke should be the 1.01. I saw plenty of lists with Treadwell there, then they all fell off after Treadwell had a worst case scenario combine. Just spitballing from memory it wouldn't surprise me if around 40-45% of people had Treadwell the 1.01 in December of '15, especially coming on the heels of the '14 draft class just two years earlier. There was a heavy tilt back then towards WR's w/people still distrusting RB's after the horrific '09-'14 run of RB classes (and '16 would turn out largely god awful too). Treadwell was a hot prospect when he broke out as a freshmen, and was headed to an excellent second year when his leg exploded on that potential game winning play that ended his season against Auburn. He finished up well, building on that very good shortened '14 season, and was considered an elite prospect. I think what hurt him was the combo of a devastating leg injury in '14 and an awful combine in '16. Before that, he was 1.01 for quite a few people, and 1.02 for most of the rest. He's one of those guys where the combine seemed pretty revealing about a neutered level of athleticism that he just got away with in school but couldn't in the pro's (I still think he could be a very good chain mover w/another team, but that ship has probably sailed).

This is exactly what happened.

In all 8 high stakes leagues that I was in, Treadwell went at the 1.02. This was well after disaster of a combine and NFL draft.

[stoneghost28]

J.K. Dobbins
Height: 5-9 4/8
Weight: 209

Jonathan Taylor
Height: 5-10 2/8
Weight: 226

RB D’Andre Swift
Height: 5-8 2/8
Weight: 212

Cam Akers
Height: 5-10 3/8
Weight: 217

C. Edwards-Helaire
Height: 5-7 2/8
Weight: 207

Zack Moss
Height: 5-9 3/8
Weight: 223

JT significantly bigger than originally thought. Dobbins, Swift, CEH all smaller than thought. Akers and Moss similar to original listings lol.

Having a hard time understanding why people think Akers is a committee back. Makes zero sense to me. At that size, he's perfectly acceptable as a lead guy. Can catch passes as well no problem. I'm sure like most backs he needs work on pass pro, but who cares, that's what training camp and practice are for.

[FantasyFreak]

J.K. Dobbins
Height: 5-9 4/8
Weight: 209

Jonathan Taylor
Height: 5-10 2/8
Weight: 226

RB D’Andre Swift
Height: 5-8 2/8
Weight: 212

Cam Akers
Height: 5-10 3/8
Weight: 217

C. Edwards-Helaire
Height: 5-7 2/8
Weight: 207

Zack Moss
Height: 5-9 3/8
Weight: 223

JT significantly bigger than originally thought. Dobbins, Swift, CEH all smaller than thought. Akers and Moss similar to original listings lol.

Having a hard time understanding why people think Akers is a committee back. Makes zero sense to me. At that size, he's perfectly acceptable as a lead guy. Can catch passes as well no problem. I'm sure like most backs he needs work on pass pro, but who cares, that's what training camp and practice are for.

That was before weigh ins. He's significantly bigger than people thought.

[FantasyFreak]

Interesting hearing Scott Barrett from PFF saying Taylor should be the clear 1.01. The analytics he used had him in a class of players that is jaw dropping. He also said yards per route run was the most predictive stat for receiving at the next level for RB's, in which he finished first, and Swift 2nd.

[bjd5211]

J.K. Dobbins
Height: 5-9 4/8
Weight: 209

Jonathan Taylor
Height: 5-10 2/8
Weight: 226

RB D’Andre Swift
Height: 5-8 2/8
Weight: 212

Cam Akers
Height: 5-10 3/8
Weight: 217

C. Edwards-Helaire
Height: 5-7 2/8
Weight: 207

Zack Moss
Height: 5-9 3/8
Weight: 223

JT significantly bigger than originally thought. Dobbins, Swift, CEH all smaller than thought. Akers and Moss similar to original listings lol.

Having a hard time understanding why people think Akers is a committee back. Makes zero sense to me. At that size, he's perfectly acceptable as a lead guy. Can catch passes as well no problem. I'm sure like most backs he needs work on pass pro, but who cares, that's what training camp and practice are for.

That was before weigh ins. He's significantly bigger than people thought.

Is he? I always assumed he was roughly 5'10 215, and that's almost exactly what he he is, slightly bigger.

[stoneghost28]

Tyler Johnson opting not to run the 40 is concerning

Guessing he thinks no forty is better than a bad forty, in which case he would be right. Otoh, sounds like he's just not a big favorite in terms of the WR prospects. Sense i get is he's going to fall, relative to how we value him, like Harmon and Butler fell last year.

[FantasyFreak]

Having a hard time understanding why people think Akers is a committee back. Makes zero sense to me. At that size, he's perfectly acceptable as a lead guy. Can catch passes as well no problem. I'm sure like most backs he needs work on pass pro, but who cares, that's what training camp and practice are for.

That was before weigh ins. He's significantly bigger than people thought.

Is he? I always assumed he was roughly 5'10 215, and that's almost exactly what he he is, slightly bigger.

210 was the high end I was expecting. He was 212 on his college listing, which is almost always heavier than they actually are. I was expecting more around 207, 208, so this changes things significantly for me.

[alewilliam789]

AJ Dillon better be running in the 4.5s clocking in at 240+ pounds. Call me crazy he’s got some Leonard Fournette to his game. I remeber watching tape ad thinking this. Obviously Fournette dominated against SEC competiton, but idk I get those type of vibes. Im interested to see where he goes in the draft!
Excited for Friday

[nathanq42]

I expected Akers, Dobbins, Swift to all come in around 215
CEH at 215
Taylor at 225
Not too shbby minus Dobbins. Very shocking considering he was bodying kids all day