Very interesting in your stance. Can we talk through this one to understand your point? From where I am standing, in a vacuum QB is more valuable than WR in superflex, at worst they are even value. Then talking about the actual players, Jones was 13th in ppg among qb with 17 something. Moore was the 17th wr in ppg with just over 15. These are the numbers I am looking at that make me question the deal. Whats on your mind?WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 am Moore > Jones, even in superflex. I'd accept that ASAP if/when the offer becomes official.
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Re: Would you take this?
Dynasty 12 team Superflex
QB: Dak, Kyler, Daniel Jones, Luck, Alex Smith, Easton Stick
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Penny, McKinnon, Brian Hill, Chase Edmonds, Ty Johnson
WR: Cooper, OBJ, Chark, Gallup, Preston Williams, Beasley, J.Gordon, D. Robinson, J. Reynolds, JJAW, S.Miller
TE: Howard, Gesicki, Goedart, Warring
2020: 1.01, 1.02, 1.06, 2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 3.01, 4.01
2021: 1st, 2nd, 4th
2022: 1st, 4th
12 Team:
QB: Dak
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Guice, Penny, Pollard, Justice Hill, Brian Hill, Ballage, McKinnon, Ito Smith
WR: Cooper, Juju, Godwin, Landry, Anthony Miller, J.Reynolds, D.Robinson, AJ Brown, Isabella, Boykin
TE: Andrews, Hockenson, Warring, Gesicki
2020: Early 1st, Early 1st, Mid 1st, Late 1st
2021:2nd, 4th
2022: 4th, 4th
QB: Dak, Kyler, Daniel Jones, Luck, Alex Smith, Easton Stick
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Penny, McKinnon, Brian Hill, Chase Edmonds, Ty Johnson
WR: Cooper, OBJ, Chark, Gallup, Preston Williams, Beasley, J.Gordon, D. Robinson, J. Reynolds, JJAW, S.Miller
TE: Howard, Gesicki, Goedart, Warring
2020: 1.01, 1.02, 1.06, 2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 3.01, 4.01
2021: 1st, 2nd, 4th
2022: 1st, 4th
12 Team:
QB: Dak
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Guice, Penny, Pollard, Justice Hill, Brian Hill, Ballage, McKinnon, Ito Smith
WR: Cooper, Juju, Godwin, Landry, Anthony Miller, J.Reynolds, D.Robinson, AJ Brown, Isabella, Boykin
TE: Andrews, Hockenson, Warring, Gesicki
2020: Early 1st, Early 1st, Mid 1st, Late 1st
2021:2nd, 4th
2022: 4th, 4th
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Re: Would you take this?
firstly, you wouldn't lose that many points if you had moore instead jones in the superflex spot.
secondly, WR 17 is more valuable than QB 13, as QB13 production is more easily replaced (drop off in points not too sharp, unlike for WR).
i might change my stance to "squeeze a bit more, but take it anyway if he isn't willing to add"
then again, you know your league better than us, QB's value may be overinflated for whatever reason.
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Re: Would you take this?
PPG is a fine tool, but Jones had a lot of turnover issues, and two of his biggest games came vs. awful TB and NYJ secondaries. On the other hand, Moore's QB situation is in flux, but he's getting a highly touted HC and OC.Houptie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:27 amVery interesting in your stance. Can we talk through this one to understand your point? From where I am standing, in a vacuum QB is more valuable than WR in superflex, at worst they are even value. Then talking about the actual players, Jones was 13th in ppg among qb with 17 something. Moore was the 17th wr in ppg with just over 15. These are the numbers I am looking at that make me question the deal. Whats on your mind?WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 am Moore > Jones, even in superflex. I'd accept that ASAP if/when the offer becomes official.
Elite QB > elite WR, but I'd say Moore is in a higher tier of WR than Jones is QB. I'd value Moore as an early 1st in superflex and Jones as a mid/late 1st, and I'm not even as high on Moore as most.
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QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
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Re: Would you take this?
I think. DJ is a stud and I’m not a big Jones guy. I’d make the trade.
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RB: Bijan, Walker, Ekeler, Charbonnet, Singletary
WR: Chase, DK, ARSB, Godwin, Samuels, Wan’Dale
TE: Andrews, Goedert
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Re: Would you take this?
If you have 1.01 and 1.02, I’m smashing accept on adding Moore tbh. Just draft Tua and Burrow.
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WR: AJB, Allen, Jeudy, Nuk, Cooks, Davis, Claypool, Shakir
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Re: Would you take this?
Backed out. He wants Kyler for Ridley lol passBlackstar110 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:15 pm If you have 1.01 and 1.02, I’m smashing accept on adding Moore tbh. Just draft Tua and Burrow.
Dynasty 12 team Superflex
QB: Dak, Kyler, Daniel Jones, Luck, Alex Smith, Easton Stick
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Penny, McKinnon, Brian Hill, Chase Edmonds, Ty Johnson
WR: Cooper, OBJ, Chark, Gallup, Preston Williams, Beasley, J.Gordon, D. Robinson, J. Reynolds, JJAW, S.Miller
TE: Howard, Gesicki, Goedart, Warring
2020: 1.01, 1.02, 1.06, 2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 3.01, 4.01
2021: 1st, 2nd, 4th
2022: 1st, 4th
12 Team:
QB: Dak
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Guice, Penny, Pollard, Justice Hill, Brian Hill, Ballage, McKinnon, Ito Smith
WR: Cooper, Juju, Godwin, Landry, Anthony Miller, J.Reynolds, D.Robinson, AJ Brown, Isabella, Boykin
TE: Andrews, Hockenson, Warring, Gesicki
2020: Early 1st, Early 1st, Mid 1st, Late 1st
2021:2nd, 4th
2022: 4th, 4th
QB: Dak, Kyler, Daniel Jones, Luck, Alex Smith, Easton Stick
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Penny, McKinnon, Brian Hill, Chase Edmonds, Ty Johnson
WR: Cooper, OBJ, Chark, Gallup, Preston Williams, Beasley, J.Gordon, D. Robinson, J. Reynolds, JJAW, S.Miller
TE: Howard, Gesicki, Goedart, Warring
2020: 1.01, 1.02, 1.06, 2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 3.01, 4.01
2021: 1st, 2nd, 4th
2022: 1st, 4th
12 Team:
QB: Dak
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Guice, Penny, Pollard, Justice Hill, Brian Hill, Ballage, McKinnon, Ito Smith
WR: Cooper, Juju, Godwin, Landry, Anthony Miller, J.Reynolds, D.Robinson, AJ Brown, Isabella, Boykin
TE: Andrews, Hockenson, Warring, Gesicki
2020: Early 1st, Early 1st, Mid 1st, Late 1st
2021:2nd, 4th
2022: 4th, 4th
Re: Would you take this?
yeah that's where I'm at as well, moore is pushing top 10 WR status and while Daniel Jones had a good rookie year he needs to cut down on TOs if he doesn't want to become the next jameisWhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 am Moore > Jones, even in superflex. I'd accept that ASAP if/when the offer becomes official.
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Re: Would you take this?
who was a top 5 QB in most leagues. given jones was QB13 in his league, i don't think they penalise turnovers that much.Mjvb5 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:01 amyeah that's where I'm at as well, moore is pushing top 10 WR status and while Daniel Jones had a good rookie year he needs to cut down on TOs if he doesn't want to become the next jameisWhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 am Moore > Jones, even in superflex. I'd accept that ASAP if/when the offer becomes official.
keeping the job is another matter, but i doubt they'll bail on him during his rookie contract.
Re: Would you take this?
Oh yeah if he does that play style will net years that are high end production just because of the positives they put up. But at the same time it will result in years like 2018 where who knows whats up and right now where his future is in flux. It'll also put a cap on his potential value as no matter what you do good people won't trust him to assign top end valuekiller_of_giants wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:22 amwho was a top 5 QB in most leagues. given jones was QB13 in his league, i don't think they penalise turnovers that much.Mjvb5 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:01 amyeah that's where I'm at as well, moore is pushing top 10 WR status and while Daniel Jones had a good rookie year he needs to cut down on TOs if he doesn't want to become the next jameisWhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 am Moore > Jones, even in superflex. I'd accept that ASAP if/when the offer becomes official.
keeping the job is another matter, but i doubt they'll bail on him during his rookie contract.
Re: Would you take this?
While I agree that he needs to work on turnovers, he ONLY threw 12 picks as a rookie on a bad team. And was still 13th in ppg. Also, SIX of the those 12 picks came in two bad bad games. One of which was Patriots, somewhat expected. Fumbles seem fluky to me. We shall seeMjvb5 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:01 amyeah that's where I'm at as well, moore is pushing top 10 WR status and while Daniel Jones had a good rookie year he needs to cut down on TOs if he doesn't want to become the next jameisWhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:19 am Moore > Jones, even in superflex. I'd accept that ASAP if/when the offer becomes official.
Dynasty 12 team Superflex
QB: Dak, Kyler, Daniel Jones, Luck, Alex Smith, Easton Stick
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Penny, McKinnon, Brian Hill, Chase Edmonds, Ty Johnson
WR: Cooper, OBJ, Chark, Gallup, Preston Williams, Beasley, J.Gordon, D. Robinson, J. Reynolds, JJAW, S.Miller
TE: Howard, Gesicki, Goedart, Warring
2020: 1.01, 1.02, 1.06, 2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 3.01, 4.01
2021: 1st, 2nd, 4th
2022: 1st, 4th
12 Team:
QB: Dak
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Guice, Penny, Pollard, Justice Hill, Brian Hill, Ballage, McKinnon, Ito Smith
WR: Cooper, Juju, Godwin, Landry, Anthony Miller, J.Reynolds, D.Robinson, AJ Brown, Isabella, Boykin
TE: Andrews, Hockenson, Warring, Gesicki
2020: Early 1st, Early 1st, Mid 1st, Late 1st
2021:2nd, 4th
2022: 4th, 4th
QB: Dak, Kyler, Daniel Jones, Luck, Alex Smith, Easton Stick
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Penny, McKinnon, Brian Hill, Chase Edmonds, Ty Johnson
WR: Cooper, OBJ, Chark, Gallup, Preston Williams, Beasley, J.Gordon, D. Robinson, J. Reynolds, JJAW, S.Miller
TE: Howard, Gesicki, Goedart, Warring
2020: 1.01, 1.02, 1.06, 2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 3.01, 4.01
2021: 1st, 2nd, 4th
2022: 1st, 4th
12 Team:
QB: Dak
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Guice, Penny, Pollard, Justice Hill, Brian Hill, Ballage, McKinnon, Ito Smith
WR: Cooper, Juju, Godwin, Landry, Anthony Miller, J.Reynolds, D.Robinson, AJ Brown, Isabella, Boykin
TE: Andrews, Hockenson, Warring, Gesicki
2020: Early 1st, Early 1st, Mid 1st, Late 1st
2021:2nd, 4th
2022: 4th, 4th