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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby Phaded » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:07 am

bjd5211 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:01 am
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bjd5211 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:44 am How many RBs that are relatively highly drafted and then are complete non-factors as healthy rookies, then go on to be fantasy relevant? I can't think of any. He's not going to be a weekly fantasy starter.
How many highly drafted running backs end up behind one of the highest paid backs in the league?

There's not exactly a precedent for this.
If he was up to the job and performing better he would get the playing time. David Johnson is one of the highest paid RBs in the league, but Drake and Edmonds have been better and gotten the playing time. RBs overwhelming hit right out of the gate if they are ever going to hit.
How do Drake & Edmonds meet the criteria you laid out?

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby bjd5211 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:14 am

Phaded wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:07 am
bjd5211 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:01 am
Phaded wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:48 am

How many highly drafted running backs end up behind one of the highest paid backs in the league?

There's not exactly a precedent for this.
If he was up to the job and performing better he would get the playing time. David Johnson is one of the highest paid RBs in the league, but Drake and Edmonds have been better and gotten the playing time. RBs overwhelming hit right out of the gate if they are ever going to hit.
How do Drake & Edmonds meet the criteria you laid out?
You're the one that brought up being behind a highly paid RB as an obstacle to Henderson's performance. Those guys are (were) behind a highly paid RB and performed to a level that they couldn't be kept off the field, Henderson can't even beat out Malcolm Brown.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby Phaded » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:18 am

And David Johnson is fat & slow. If Gurley looked fat & slow, Henderson would have got a chance this year.

You keep saying "he can't beat out Malcolm Brown" when the reality is that neither of these guys are being used as a backup runner - Brown is averaging a whopping less than 4 carries per game since the bye week. Brown is the backup for pass-pro reasons, not running the ball reasons.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby bjd5211 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:21 am

Gurley clearly hasn't been his old self and would probably benefit from a lighter workload if Henderson was capable of picking up the slack, but he's not.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby Phaded » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:24 am

How do we know he's not?

Wonder boy McVay's offense is crumbling and he has not even given him the shot to run the ball - and it's not like it's because they are using a committee backfield. He would rather average nearly 40 passes per game from Goff.

Maybe there is a very real possibility that McVay isn't quite the coach that everyone thought.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby FantasyFreak » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:26 am

bjd5211 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:21 am Gurley clearly hasn't been his old self and would probably benefit from a lighter workload if Henderson was capable of picking up the slack, but he's not.
It doesn't mean his career is a write off. You seriously think there is no chance he gets touches next year? OP asked if he was a hold, and I believe he is, personally. As I said already, Drake had 33 carries and 9 receptions as a rookie. Henderson's entire career isn't dictated by his first 14 games. RB's don't have to "hit" right out of the gate to hit. It's not always the way it happens, even if it does more often than other positions.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby killer_of_giants » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:30 am

Phaded wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:18 am Brown is the backup for pass-pro reasons, not running the ball reasons.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby Valhalla » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:51 am

Cult of Dionysus wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:32 am Did someone start a new Hendy thread and not invite me?
I thought we were going with DaHen cause he spends most of his time sitting around waiting for his opportunity to hatch.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby bjd5211 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:56 am

FantasyFreak wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:26 am
bjd5211 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:21 am Gurley clearly hasn't been his old self and would probably benefit from a lighter workload if Henderson was capable of picking up the slack, but he's not.
It doesn't mean his career is a write off. You seriously think there is no chance he gets touches next year? OP asked if he was a hold, and I believe he is, personally. As I said already, Drake had 33 carries and 9 receptions as a rookie. Henderson's entire career isn't dictated by his first 14 games. RB's don't have to "hit" right out of the gate to hit. It's not always the way it happens, even if it does more often than other positions.
Obviously he's a hold if you own him, but he's just a lottery ticket, you shouldn't be counting on getting anything out of him.

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby Jigga94 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:04 am

If you read this sites threads and didn't know football, you'd think Henderson was the RB1 and Gurley was WW fodder

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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby Orenthal Shames » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:32 am

Jigga94 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:04 am If you read this sites threads and didn't know football, you'd think Henderson was the RB1 and Gurley was WW fodder
Maybe we're in the upside down.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby Orenthal Shames » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:35 am

bjd5211 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:56 am
FantasyFreak wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:26 am
bjd5211 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:21 am Gurley clearly hasn't been his old self and would probably benefit from a lighter workload if Henderson was capable of picking up the slack, but he's not.
It doesn't mean his career is a write off. You seriously think there is no chance he gets touches next year? OP asked if he was a hold, and I believe he is, personally. As I said already, Drake had 33 carries and 9 receptions as a rookie. Henderson's entire career isn't dictated by his first 14 games. RB's don't have to "hit" right out of the gate to hit. It's not always the way it happens, even if it does more often than other positions.
Obviously he's a hold if you own him, but he's just a lottery ticket, you shouldn't be counting on getting anything out of him.
This is more or less how I feel about DH at this point, barring an injury to Gurley, I don't see his workload massively increasing.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby hoos89 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:45 am

Phaded wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:18 am When he was drafted the reaction was Gurley insurance. Gurley didn't miss time - this year.

He still has value but you have to realize he's behind one of the highest paid RBs in the league.

A 22 year old running back in this situation is worth holding/stashing.
Gurley missed a game in October and Henderson got a total of 7 touches. He's not JUST behind one of the highest paid RBs in the league...he's also behind Malcolm Brown.

That said, I think Henderson is still worth about what he probably should have been worth last season prior to the hype getting out of hand: a mid-late 2nd.
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Re: Darrell Henderson

Postby Lumps » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:51 am

Valhalla wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:51 am
I thought we were going with DaHen cause he spends most of his time sitting around waiting for his opportunity to hatch.
I'm disappointed no one gave you the credit you so obviously deserve on this.

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