Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby Phaded » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:02 am

What has changed about throwing interceptions?

Peyton has notoriously had very little help throughout his career in terms of defense and a run game - you could say the exact same about Jameis.

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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby jenkins.math » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:19 am

Phaded wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:02 am What has changed about throwing interceptions?

Peyton has notoriously had very little help throughout his career in terms of defense and a run game - you could say the exact same about Jameis.
WRs being able to run across the middle without worrying about getting blown up and alligator arming a ball that gets picked. The amount of physicality DBs were allowed to play with then as compared to now. The spreading and spacing of offenses in general allowing for easier reads. QBs barely allowed to be touched, thus allowing them to hold the ball in the pocket a shade longer because they know they won't take a helmet to the mouth. Passing is up and easier than ever before by every single account.

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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby Phaded » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:26 am

I still don't see how that impacts interceptions being thrown though? The changes in the rules certainly impact the overall change in large yardage numbers, though.

The only thing you said that could relate to interceptions is implying it is easier to read the defense now, which I whole heartedly disagree with.

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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby steelman » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:03 pm

jenkins.math wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:49 am
Phaded wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:05 am
Orenthal Shames wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:40 am First 67 career starts:

Peyton Manning
17,190 yards, 117 TDs, 84 INTs, 61% completion rate, 85.4 passer rating

Jameis Winston:
18,399 yards, 111 TDs, 78 INTs, 61% completion rate, 86.9 passer rating
Careful, I made this comparison a while ago and people jumped down my throat.
Comparing any QB's stats today to those close to 2 decades ago is silly and irresponsible considering the changes made to offenses and the passing game.
Nothing has changed that would affect the TD to INT ratio though. Only total numbers are affected by time, not ratios

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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby jenkins.math » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:20 pm

steelman wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:03 pm
jenkins.math wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:49 am
Phaded wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:05 am

Careful, I made this comparison a while ago and people jumped down my throat.
Comparing any QB's stats today to those close to 2 decades ago is silly and irresponsible considering the changes made to offenses and the passing game.
Nothing has changed that would affect the TD to INT ratio though. Only total numbers are affected by time, not ratios
Yet Interception % is down league wide in comparison to 2001. All while completion percentage and attempts are up. So your ratios have actually changed, and changed in a way that shows how much easier it has gotten to pass the ball.

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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby steelman » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:29 pm

jenkins.math wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:20 pm
steelman wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:03 pm
jenkins.math wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:49 am

Comparing any QB's stats today to those close to 2 decades ago is silly and irresponsible considering the changes made to offenses and the passing game.
Nothing has changed that would affect the TD to INT ratio though. Only total numbers are affected by time, not ratios
Yet Interception % is down league wide in comparison to 2001. All while completion percentage and attempts are up. So your ratios have actually changed, and changed in a way that shows how much easier it has gotten to pass the ball.
What are the numbers?

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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby jenkins.math » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:45 pm

steelman wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:29 pm
jenkins.math wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:20 pm
steelman wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:03 pm

Nothing has changed that would affect the TD to INT ratio though. Only total numbers are affected by time, not ratios
Yet Interception % is down league wide in comparison to 2001. All while completion percentage and attempts are up. So your ratios have actually changed, and changed in a way that shows how much easier it has gotten to pass the ball.
What are the numbers?
Here is an easy to read article on it

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/02/nfl-i ... te-decline

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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:30 pm

jenkins.math wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:49 am
Phaded wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:05 am
Orenthal Shames wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:40 am First 67 career starts:

Peyton Manning
17,190 yards, 117 TDs, 84 INTs, 61% completion rate, 85.4 passer rating

Jameis Winston:
18,399 yards, 111 TDs, 78 INTs, 61% completion rate, 86.9 passer rating
Careful, I made this comparison a while ago and people jumped down my throat.
Comparing any QB's stats today to those close to 2 decades ago is silly and irresponsible considering the changes made to offenses and the passing game.
Irresponsible? C'mon man :roll:
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QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby jenkins.math » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:19 pm

Orenthal Shames wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:30 pm
jenkins.math wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:49 am
Phaded wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:05 am

Careful, I made this comparison a while ago and people jumped down my throat.
Comparing any QB's stats today to those close to 2 decades ago is silly and irresponsible considering the changes made to offenses and the passing game.
Irresponsible? C'mon man :roll:
Would you have preferred irrelevant, ridiculous, stupid?

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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:52 pm

jenkins.math wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:19 pm
Orenthal Shames wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:30 pm
jenkins.math wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:49 am

Comparing any QB's stats today to those close to 2 decades ago is silly and irresponsible considering the changes made to offenses and the passing game.
Irresponsible? C'mon man :roll:
Would you have preferred irrelevant, ridiculous, stupid?
Obviously
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26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs

QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby Phaded » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:48 pm

https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/statu ... 97026?s=19

Say whatever you want about the guy, but if (and I think that is a massive if) the Bucs move on from him, Evans & Godwin are both taking a nosedive in fantasy.

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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:10 pm

Phaded wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:48 pm https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/statu ... 97026?s=19

Say whatever you want about the guy, but if (and I think that is a massive if) the Bucs move on from him, Evans & Godwin are both taking a nosedive in fantasy.
I think/hope they give Jameis a deal after today. I have Evans and Godwin, and I agree.
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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby Orenthal Shames » Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:52 am

He is 905 from setting the record for passing yards.
16 team league
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs

QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06

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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby ArrylT » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:03 am

Orenthal Shames wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:52 am He is 905 from setting the record for passing yards.
So basically 450 yards per game for 2 more games?
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: Is Jameis Winston a Starting QB

Postby RB6 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:15 am

ArrylT wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:03 am
Orenthal Shames wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:52 am He is 905 from setting the record for passing yards.
So basically 450 yards per game for 2 more games?
Yep, the math checks out. Well done.
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