Week 14 Discussion

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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:08 am

Truly great QBs are still worth that level of investment though. I don't know exactly how much he's taking up, but I would guess Wilson is greater than 13% of the cap. The Seahawks are a legit SB contenders this year and Wilson's contract won't be the reason why if they don't win it.

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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby jenkins.math » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:22 am

bjd5211 wrote:
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Truly great QBs are still worth that level of investment though. I don't know exactly how much he's taking up, but I would guess Wilson is greater than 13% of the cap. The Seahawks are a legit SB contenders this year and Wilson's contract won't be the reason why if they don't win it.
Wilson won't be the reason they don't win it, but them having a hole somewhere else on the roster because they couldn't afford to pay that position due to the contract could be. It isn't just about the player and his contract. It's how the contract affects everything else. Has Wilson played well enough to deserve his pay? Absolutely. Does paying any player a lot of money affect the ability to pay other quality players and retain them? Absolutely.

A player can live up to his contract and that contract still hurt the team.
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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby Blueboy » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:27 am

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All of these arm-chair GMs are hilarious.

You literally have a handful of true, game-changing QBs in the league.
Then you have some great QBs who can occasionally make the game-changing plays.
Then you have the good QBs that are elevated by the supporting cast around them.
Then you have the average or subpar QBs who just can't get it done barring an elite team around them.

The vast majority of NFL quarterbacks fall into category 3 - including Dak.
The problem with going with an unproven or rookie QB - your odds of ending up with a category 4 QB are insanely high and that is why, even the category 3 QBs like Dak are so valuable to teams and get paid.

Just ask teams that have been looking for quarterbacks forever. It's why scrubs like Nick Foles get the contracts they do, because teams try so hard to get that quarterback.

QB is the one position that have the ability to single-handedly take over a game for you - or lose the game for you.
Fully agree. The mid-tier QBs of the league, your Alex Smiths, Andy Daltons, Jacoby Brissetts etc., are all extremely valuable to NFL teams. We've also seen time and again that with the right roster around those guys, they can do enough to win a Super Bowl or MVP. There's a strong argument to be made for that demanding cap space to just be used elsewhere.

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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby Phaded » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:39 am

jenkins.math wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:02 am
Phaded wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:32 am
All of these arm-chair GMs are hilarious.

You literally have a handful of true, game-changing QBs in the league.
Then you have some great QBs who can occasionally make the game-changing plays.
Then you have the good QBs that are elevated by the supporting cast around them.
Then you have the average or subpar QBs who just can't get it done barring an elite team around them.

The vast majority of NFL quarterbacks fall into category 3 - including Dak.
The problem with going with an unproven or rookie QB - your odds of ending up with a category 4 QB are insanely high and that is why, even the category 3 QBs like Dak are so valuable to teams and get paid.

Just ask teams that have been looking for quarterbacks forever. It's why scrubs like Nick Foles get the contracts they do, because teams try so hard to get that quarterback.

QB is the one position that have the ability to single-handedly take over a game for you - or lose the game for you.
The "vast majority" can't be above average, which is essentially what you have said. That in itself is mathematically impossible.
I probably should of said the "vast majority" of NFL starting quarterbacks - my overall point still stands (there are 94 quarterbacks under contract in the NFL) but you are simply nitpicking at this point and ignoring the overall premise.

The biggest thing is - an elite quarterback can make up some of the deficiencies on your team. But if you have a subpar-to-average quarterback, you need an elite team.

At the end of the day, you need a perfect storm of things going your way contractually speaking. That is why what a team like the Patriots have been doing for so long is so rare. Teams typically have a short window to capitalize on that "perfect contract situation".

All of your math around "you won't win the Super Bowl if your quarterback takes up more than 13% of your salary cap" is just silly.

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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:47 am

Blueboy wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:27 am
Phaded wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:32 am
All of these arm-chair GMs are hilarious.

You literally have a handful of true, game-changing QBs in the league.
Then you have some great QBs who can occasionally make the game-changing plays.
Then you have the good QBs that are elevated by the supporting cast around them.
Then you have the average or subpar QBs who just can't get it done barring an elite team around them.

The vast majority of NFL quarterbacks fall into category 3 - including Dak.
The problem with going with an unproven or rookie QB - your odds of ending up with a category 4 QB are insanely high and that is why, even the category 3 QBs like Dak are so valuable to teams and get paid.

Just ask teams that have been looking for quarterbacks forever. It's why scrubs like Nick Foles get the contracts they do, because teams try so hard to get that quarterback.

QB is the one position that have the ability to single-handedly take over a game for you - or lose the game for you.
Fully agree. The mid-tier QBs of the league, your Alex Smiths, Andy Daltons, Jacoby Brissetts etc., are all extremely valuable to NFL teams. We've also seen time and again that with the right roster around those guys, they can do enough to win a Super Bowl or MVP. There's a strong argument to be made for that demanding cap space to just be used elsewhere.
When are all these times we've seen this? Flacco and Foles going on historic runs to the SB with excellent supporting casts are the only examples since the introduction of the rookie wage scale. Every other SB has been won by a future HOF QB (Ben, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Eli, Brady, Wilson) and all the favorites this year have an MVP or HOF caliber QB except for SF, and they have an unbelievable defense which Peyton (in Denver) and Wilson also did if you want to argue against them being elite QBs at the time of winning those SBs.

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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby Phaded » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:00 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:47 am
Every other SB has been won by a future HOF QB (Ben, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Eli, Brady, Wilson)
As good as all of these guys may be - they wouldn't have done it without their supporting cast, again; the perfect storm of things being in place. That elite quarterback will probably get you to the playoffs year-after-year, but you need that great team effort to get over the hump.

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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby killer_of_giants » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:02 pm

what matters is, the cowboys are screwed for the foreseeable.
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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby Jigga94 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:22 pm

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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby Forza_Azzurri » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:26 pm

killer_of_giants wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:10 am
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I’m a Cowboys fan & I can’t wait to hear him. What a trash team.
jeez mate! a.s. roma AND the cowboys? very few combinations are worse than that! :lol:
Yeah ... for whatever reason I’m a sucker for teams that only offer futility, false hope and shitty ownership. :wall:

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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby Forza_Azzurri » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:39 pm

murphysxm wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:47 am
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He’s the new Cris Carter ... all he does is catch touchdowns.
Dude, he is top 10 in receptions
Tell that to Buddy Ryan ... that was his quote or paraphrase thereof when the Eagles cut him.

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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:12 pm

Phaded wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:00 pm
bjd5211 wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:47 am
Every other SB has been won by a future HOF QB (Ben, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Eli, Brady, Wilson)
As good as all of these guys may be - they wouldn't have done it without their supporting cast, again; the perfect storm of things being in place. That elite quarterback will probably get you to the playoffs year-after-year, but you need that great team effort to get over the hump.
And their supporting cast wouldn't have done it without those QBs or a QB on their level. NFL history shows you need an MVP/HOF caliber QB to consistently compete for championships on a yearly basis. There have been great teams without great QBs, but almost all of them have had a defense that is in the discussion when you are talking about the greatest defenses of all-time. The only two exceptions to that are the Flacco Ravens and the Eagles with Foles, but they both had excellent defenses too they just weren't historically great. During those two examples Flacco morphed into an exceptional QB during those playoffs and had one of the greatest playoff performances ever by a QB, and Philly had a QB for most of the year that was running away with the MVP until he got hurt and they were able to carry that momentum into the playoffs. Obviously winning a championship always takes a complete team effort, but the QB is far and away the single most important piece on the roster and has the most impact on the outcome of a game and season. Those elite few QBs are rare and worth whatever it takes to keep them around and then build the best team around them that you can, just look at the list of SB winners all time and see the one thing most of them have in common, and the thing all the teams that have won it multiple times in a small window have in common; it's a HOF QB.

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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby Servo » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:18 pm

As Phaded mentioned, there are only a handful of QB's that everyone believes can march their team down the field and score.

We've seen Goff, Wentz and Dak really struggle in spurts throughout 2019...and as of today, it's looking like none of them have that "Elite" trait. With guys like Brady, Brees, Ben, Rivers, Ryan, etc. all getting older and possibly retiring soon...everyone's looking for the next big thing and while those 3 guys may have solid/good careers...the next "superstar QB" may have just skipped over 2016.
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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby Prison_Mike » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:29 pm

Browns are expected to activate Njoku this week
(He said he was ready to play 2 weeks ago but the team didn't want to rush him back)

Assuming he gets the green light and full workload, are y'all playing him this week or waiting a week to play him vs. Arizona?
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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:31 pm

Prison_Mike wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:29 pm
Browns are expected to activate Njoku this week
(He said he was ready to play 2 weeks ago but the team didn't want to rush him back)

Assuming he gets the green light and full workload, are y'all playing him this week or waiting a week to play him vs. Arizona?
Depends on your other options, you absolutely have to start him vs Arizona though, they are absolutely awful at covering TEs.

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Re: Week 14 Discussion

Postby nathanq42 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:36 pm

Prison_Mike wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:29 pm
Browns are expected to activate Njoku this week
(He said he was ready to play 2 weeks ago but the team didn't want to rush him back)

Assuming he gets the green light and full workload, are y'all playing him this week or waiting a week to play him vs. Arizona?
I wouldnt trust him in round 1 of the playoffs unless I had total scrubs at TE currently
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