Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
My league is planning on implementing a new draft order system for non-playoff teams that is basically reverse order of "potential points" or "max points for". For those new to these terms it is basically the amount of points your team gets if it were to play its optimal lineup everyweek.
This system does its best to give the true worst teams the best picks. Is there anyway to get around this or "tank" a year without completely dismantling your team? Anything that you have ever seen or done? The closest that I can think of is just trying to stack as many high upside QB's on your roster limiting the amount of other positions? IDK, it is a superflex league so the QB are still extremely valuable.
This system does its best to give the true worst teams the best picks. Is there anyway to get around this or "tank" a year without completely dismantling your team? Anything that you have ever seen or done? The closest that I can think of is just trying to stack as many high upside QB's on your roster limiting the amount of other positions? IDK, it is a superflex league so the QB are still extremely valuable.
Dynasty 12 team Superflex
QB: Dak, Kyler, Daniel Jones, Luck, Alex Smith, Easton Stick
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Penny, McKinnon, Brian Hill, Chase Edmonds, Ty Johnson
WR: Cooper, OBJ, Chark, Gallup, Preston Williams, Beasley, J.Gordon, D. Robinson, J. Reynolds, JJAW, S.Miller
TE: Howard, Gesicki, Goedart, Warring
2020: 1.01, 1.02, 1.06, 2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 3.01, 4.01
2021: 1st, 2nd, 4th
2022: 1st, 4th
12 Team:
QB: Dak
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Guice, Penny, Pollard, Justice Hill, Brian Hill, Ballage, McKinnon, Ito Smith
WR: Cooper, Juju, Godwin, Landry, Anthony Miller, J.Reynolds, D.Robinson, AJ Brown, Isabella, Boykin
TE: Andrews, Hockenson, Warring, Gesicki
2020: Early 1st, Early 1st, Mid 1st, Late 1st
2021:2nd, 4th
2022: 4th, 4th
QB: Dak, Kyler, Daniel Jones, Luck, Alex Smith, Easton Stick
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Penny, McKinnon, Brian Hill, Chase Edmonds, Ty Johnson
WR: Cooper, OBJ, Chark, Gallup, Preston Williams, Beasley, J.Gordon, D. Robinson, J. Reynolds, JJAW, S.Miller
TE: Howard, Gesicki, Goedart, Warring
2020: 1.01, 1.02, 1.06, 2.01, 2.02, 2.03, 3.01, 4.01
2021: 1st, 2nd, 4th
2022: 1st, 4th
12 Team:
QB: Dak
RB: Barkley, Hunt, Guice, Penny, Pollard, Justice Hill, Brian Hill, Ballage, McKinnon, Ito Smith
WR: Cooper, Juju, Godwin, Landry, Anthony Miller, J.Reynolds, D.Robinson, AJ Brown, Isabella, Boykin
TE: Andrews, Hockenson, Warring, Gesicki
2020: Early 1st, Early 1st, Mid 1st, Late 1st
2021:2nd, 4th
2022: 4th, 4th
- Gator Sens
- GOAT
- Posts: 53938
- Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:17 am
- Contact:
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
Sounds like a best ball format essentially. Outside of having a top to bottom roster full of low scoring players (outside of a couple), there is no way to tank. Your roster would have to be really bad as random players put up points every week out of nowhere.
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
Most of my leagues are this way. I’m a fan. There is never a question of tanking, as you have to at least dismantle an entire position group to limit your potential points
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" Abe Lincoln
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
I think it’s a great way to get the true worst team higher picks. Lady Luck can help teams win /lose each week, enough “luck” in a season and you can go from the first to the fourth pick easily. I say simply man up, play your team and let the chips fall where they may. No tanking, just play your guys. Miami was tanking for Tua, how did that work? Play your guys, have your best laid out plans for the next few years and roll with it.
2015, 2017, 2022 Champ.
10 team, 6 pt all td, ppr, 1.5 te ppr. 30 man roster QB, SF, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, Flex (r/w/t), K, 3 IDP
Qb- Mahomes, Prudy, Baker
RB- S Barkley, Pollard, B Hall, K Herbert, D Foreman, R Johnson, Zeke, J Robinson, Z White, J Wilson(i.r.), J McKinnon, J Mason, J Hill
WR- J Jefferson, Deebo, DJ Moore, OBJ, S Moore, J Jennings, C Austin, Trey Palmer
TE- Andrews, Higbee, Dulchich, Ferguson, D Washington
IDP(3)- P Queen,D Perryman, J Jewell, J Campbell, N Dean (i.r.)
K- E McPherson, Butker
draft picks
2024- 2, 4, 5
2025- 3, 3, 4, 5
10 team, 6 pt all td, ppr, 1.5 te ppr. 30 man roster QB, SF, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, Flex (r/w/t), K, 3 IDP
Qb- Mahomes, Prudy, Baker
RB- S Barkley, Pollard, B Hall, K Herbert, D Foreman, R Johnson, Zeke, J Robinson, Z White, J Wilson(i.r.), J McKinnon, J Mason, J Hill
WR- J Jefferson, Deebo, DJ Moore, OBJ, S Moore, J Jennings, C Austin, Trey Palmer
TE- Andrews, Higbee, Dulchich, Ferguson, D Washington
IDP(3)- P Queen,D Perryman, J Jewell, J Campbell, N Dean (i.r.)
K- E McPherson, Butker
draft picks
2024- 2, 4, 5
2025- 3, 3, 4, 5
- BigBawseRoss
- GOAT
- Posts: 11652
- Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:56 am
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
you gotta trade away the part time wonders and older guys not vital to your future.
literally moving potential points off of your team is the only way
literally moving potential points off of your team is the only way
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
I am a fan of potential point for the non playoff teams to determine draft order. It has worked well in my leagues that use it.
-
- Starter
- Posts: 614
- Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:49 pm
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
anyone know if My Fantasy League keeps that stat somewhere? We are fighting a tanking issue in one of my leagues and are adding a rule change in the off season.
- killer_of_giants
- Ring of Fame
- Posts: 3325
- Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:20 am
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
trade all your WRs for RBs, or the other way around, then re-balance in the off season.
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
Yeah just go into the reports tab at the top of the league page, then go to standings and click power rank. It should all be there.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:54 pm anyone know if My Fantasy League keeps that stat somewhere? We are fighting a tanking issue in one of my leagues and are adding a rule change in the off season.
12 Team PPR, 6pt TDs
1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 1TE, 2Flex (W/R/T)
QB: Jackson, Mayfield, Pickett
RB: Barkley, Taylor, N. Harris, L. Murray, Scott
WR: Jefferson, K.Allen, Higgins, Diggs, Chark, Atwell
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Mayer(R) Tremble
2024 Picks: 1.05, 3.05, 4.05/4.09
1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 1TE, 2Flex (W/R/T)
QB: Jackson, Mayfield, Pickett
RB: Barkley, Taylor, N. Harris, L. Murray, Scott
WR: Jefferson, K.Allen, Higgins, Diggs, Chark, Atwell
TE: Pitts, Njoku, Mayer(R) Tremble
2024 Picks: 1.05, 3.05, 4.05/4.09
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
It has happened more than few times in my league that the team that wins it all one year ends up near the bottom the next year and vice versa. There is so much variance from year to year with players that if you are playing to tank a season from the beginning then you could be missing out on a playoff berth. And if you make the playoffs anything can happen.dblj1199 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:39 pm I think it’s a great way to get the true worst team higher picks. Lady Luck can help teams win /lose each week, enough “luck” in a season and you can go from the first to the fourth pick easily. I say simply man up, play your team and let the chips fall where they may. No tanking, just play your guys. Miami was tanking for Tua, how did that work? Play your guys, have your best laid out plans for the next few years and roll with it.
10 team dynasty began 2016
Standard scoring (no PPR, all TDs 6pts)
Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 4 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1 K, 1 Def
2018 2nd
2019 2nd
2020 CHAMP
2021 2nd
2022 *co-champ...yuck
QB: P Mahomes
RB: J Taylor, T Etienne, D Swift, B Robinson Jr, J Mixon, J Gibbs, Z Charbonnet, R Johnson, J Wilson
WR: J Jefferson, J Chase, J Waddle, DK Metcalf, J Addison, T Dell, J Downs, M Williams, K Toney, , C Claypool
TE: K Pitts, G Kittle
K: Stream
Def: SF
2024 picks: 1 (early/mid), 1 ,2 3 (early/mid), 3, 4, 5, 6
Standard scoring (no PPR, all TDs 6pts)
Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 4 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1 K, 1 Def
2018 2nd
2019 2nd
2020 CHAMP
2021 2nd
2022 *co-champ...yuck
QB: P Mahomes
RB: J Taylor, T Etienne, D Swift, B Robinson Jr, J Mixon, J Gibbs, Z Charbonnet, R Johnson, J Wilson
WR: J Jefferson, J Chase, J Waddle, DK Metcalf, J Addison, T Dell, J Downs, M Williams, K Toney, , C Claypool
TE: K Pitts, G Kittle
K: Stream
Def: SF
2024 picks: 1 (early/mid), 1 ,2 3 (early/mid), 3, 4, 5, 6
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
Get rid of anyone that isn't part of your future. Collect draft picks. Target good players in season that are injured and can be part of your future, but wont increase your potential points. Target young players that aren't yet fantasy relevant, but will be in the future. I also tend to gut my RB because it's a volatile position and the guys at the top of drafts are usually RB.
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 9
QB Allen/Tubisky/Lock
RB Mixon/Harris/Etienne
WR DJ Moore
TE Kelce/Irv
2022 1.06/1.09
2023 3x 1st
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Watson/Ryan
RB CMC/Zeke/Mixon/Sanders
WR Evans/Godwin/Robinson/Golladay/Thielen/Lockett/Fuller
TE Kittle/Waller/L. Thomas
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Murray/Brady
RB CMC
WR Adams/Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/Aiyuk/Woods/R. Moore
TE Kelce/Kittle/Njoku
2x 2023 1sts
12 tm PPR 1.5 for TE Superflex start 2 TE start 12
QB Herbert/Tua/Lawrence/Fields
RB Harris/Etienne
WR Jefferson/Deebo/Lamb/DSmith/Sutton/Juedy/Kirk/E. Moore/R. Moore
TE Kittle/Pitts/Waller/Fant/Njoku
2022 1.01/1.12/2.02
QB Allen/Tubisky/Lock
RB Mixon/Harris/Etienne
WR DJ Moore
TE Kelce/Irv
2022 1.06/1.09
2023 3x 1st
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Watson/Ryan
RB CMC/Zeke/Mixon/Sanders
WR Evans/Godwin/Robinson/Golladay/Thielen/Lockett/Fuller
TE Kittle/Waller/L. Thomas
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Murray/Brady
RB CMC
WR Adams/Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/Aiyuk/Woods/R. Moore
TE Kelce/Kittle/Njoku
2x 2023 1sts
12 tm PPR 1.5 for TE Superflex start 2 TE start 12
QB Herbert/Tua/Lawrence/Fields
RB Harris/Etienne
WR Jefferson/Deebo/Lamb/DSmith/Sutton/Juedy/Kirk/E. Moore/R. Moore
TE Kittle/Pitts/Waller/Fant/Njoku
2022 1.01/1.12/2.02
-
- Ring of Fame
- Posts: 3242
- Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:40 am
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
Tanking is bad. This system is in place to keep people who want to tank from doing it.
9(yes 9) team / 28 man rosters
15/17/19/21 Champ
SF/PPR
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/flex/SF
Mahomes/TLAW/Fields
N. Harris/J. Williams/Gibbs/CEH/A. Jones/Hubbard/Haskins/Ingram
Kupp/Jefferson/Chase/Lamb/Hopkins/MT/Watson/Dotson/
Kelce/Hurst
15/17/19/21 Champ
SF/PPR
QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/flex/SF
Mahomes/TLAW/Fields
N. Harris/J. Williams/Gibbs/CEH/A. Jones/Hubbard/Haskins/Ingram
Kupp/Jefferson/Chase/Lamb/Hopkins/MT/Watson/Dotson/
Kelce/Hurst
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
don't roster multiple defenses. DSTs have a large variance, you don't want one blowing up on your bench.
Don't roster extra kickers (you shouldn't be doing this anyways).
Don't roster a lot of backup QBs.
Trade for guys on IR who will come back strong next year.
Don't roster extra kickers (you shouldn't be doing this anyways).
Don't roster a lot of backup QBs.
Trade for guys on IR who will come back strong next year.
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
Here's what I did for team 1 in my sig:
I completely punted the RB position. Sold any RBs of value and loaded up on young, high upside WRs and TEs, as well as future picks.
This ensured I wasn't competitive enough to make the playoffs, and if we were doing potential points, it would have had to have been a crazy fluky week for any of my RBs to hit. I was able to legally "tank" by doing this.
Now I've got picks 5, 8, a late 1st TBD, 15, 18, two more late 2nds TBD, 29, and 32 in a deep draft class that is loaded with RBs.
I completely punted the RB position. Sold any RBs of value and loaded up on young, high upside WRs and TEs, as well as future picks.
This ensured I wasn't competitive enough to make the playoffs, and if we were doing potential points, it would have had to have been a crazy fluky week for any of my RBs to hit. I was able to legally "tank" by doing this.
Now I've got picks 5, 8, a late 1st TBD, 15, 18, two more late 2nds TBD, 29, and 32 in a deep draft class that is loaded with RBs.
Team 1: 12-Team 0.5 PPR '16 & '17 3rd, '20 2nd Place
REBUILD STARTED 2019
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex
Kyler,Stafford,Herbert
Zeke,Sanders,Swift,Moss,Robinson,Mattison,Gio
Cooper,Juju,AJB,Reagor,Ruggs,Mims,Kirk,Bateman,Moore
Kelce,Henry
2022: 2,3,4
Team 2: 12-Team 0.5 PPR '17 & '20 2nd Place
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex
Rodgers,Stafford
Zeke,Conner,Robinson,Dillon,CEvans,Mattison,Edmonds,Davis
Hopkins,Thomas,Woods,Cooks,Toney,MWilliams,
Kittle,Henry,Freier
2022:1,1,2,3,4
Team 3: 14-Team SF,PPR,0.25/rush '18 3rd Place, 2020 Champ
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex SFlex
Cousins,Kyler,Carr,Trask
Jacobs,Gibson,Robinson,LMurray,Ingram,Moss,Gio,SScott
Evans,Nuk,DJM,Boyd,Davis
Fant,Hooper,Gronk
2022:2,4
2023:1,1,2,3,4
Team 4: 12-TeamSF,0.5PPR,TE1PPR 2020 Champ
QB RB RB WR WR WR TE FLEX FLEX SFlex
Allen,Tanny,Cam,MacJones
Taylor,Akers,Montgomery,Gibson,Robinson,Harris,McKissic,SScott
DKM,Evans,Juju,Cooks,MWilliams,Trequan
Engram,Hurst,Gronk,Long
REBUILD STARTED 2019
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex
Kyler,Stafford,Herbert
Zeke,Sanders,Swift,Moss,Robinson,Mattison,Gio
Cooper,Juju,AJB,Reagor,Ruggs,Mims,Kirk,Bateman,Moore
Kelce,Henry
2022: 2,3,4
Team 2: 12-Team 0.5 PPR '17 & '20 2nd Place
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex
Rodgers,Stafford
Zeke,Conner,Robinson,Dillon,CEvans,Mattison,Edmonds,Davis
Hopkins,Thomas,Woods,Cooks,Toney,MWilliams,
Kittle,Henry,Freier
2022:1,1,2,3,4
Team 3: 14-Team SF,PPR,0.25/rush '18 3rd Place, 2020 Champ
QB RB RB WR WR TE Flex Flex Flex SFlex
Cousins,Kyler,Carr,Trask
Jacobs,Gibson,Robinson,LMurray,Ingram,Moss,Gio,SScott
Evans,Nuk,DJM,Boyd,Davis
Fant,Hooper,Gronk
2022:2,4
2023:1,1,2,3,4
Team 4: 12-TeamSF,0.5PPR,TE1PPR 2020 Champ
QB RB RB WR WR WR TE FLEX FLEX SFlex
Allen,Tanny,Cam,MacJones
Taylor,Akers,Montgomery,Gibson,Robinson,Harris,McKissic,SScott
DKM,Evans,Juju,Cooks,MWilliams,Trequan
Engram,Hurst,Gronk,Long
Re: Way to tank if using potential points as draft orderer?
Same for my team 1 in sig. I secured the 1.01, 2.01 etc. Got lucky and traded Penny and a mid 2nd in 2019 for what ended up being the 1.02 and 2.02 this year. Made it a point to acquire Hunt. Looked into other players who i believed would be significantly less productive than they were talented this year. Ended up just selling older vets and players with uncertain futures for three more late 1sts and two more mid 2nds. All while maintaining a solid group of young WRs and TEs. Idk how well its gonna work out but i can tell you it feels good being pick rich in one of the most hyped drafts in recent memory. Lol
12 Team SF IDP
QB - Mahomes, Lawrence, Mac
RB - Etienne, Walker, Rhamondre, Javonte, Akers, CEH
WR - AJB, Waddle, Higgins, Gabe, Toney
TE - Andrews, ISJ
DL - Quinnen, Highsmith, Josh Allen
LB - Lloyd, JOK, Gay, Bush
DB - Winfield, Love, Delpit
14 Team 1QB IDP
QB - Fields, Jimmy G
RB - Henry, Kamara, Swift, Herbert
WR - Adams, Juju, Jakobi, Theilen
TE - Hock, Everett
DL - Garrett, Buckner, Sweat
LB - White, David, Okereke, Jack
DB - Budda, CJGJ, Dugger, Byard
QB - Mahomes, Lawrence, Mac
RB - Etienne, Walker, Rhamondre, Javonte, Akers, CEH
WR - AJB, Waddle, Higgins, Gabe, Toney
TE - Andrews, ISJ
DL - Quinnen, Highsmith, Josh Allen
LB - Lloyd, JOK, Gay, Bush
DB - Winfield, Love, Delpit
14 Team 1QB IDP
QB - Fields, Jimmy G
RB - Henry, Kamara, Swift, Herbert
WR - Adams, Juju, Jakobi, Theilen
TE - Hock, Everett
DL - Garrett, Buckner, Sweat
LB - White, David, Okereke, Jack
DB - Budda, CJGJ, Dugger, Byard
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: Ahrefs [Bot], Google [Bot] and 137 guests