Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

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You overpaid
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You paid appropriately/got a good deal
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Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Mr. Wizard » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:46 pm

I was gonna be more of a seller/holder at the deadline by design, but when I heard rumblings Nuk was getting shopped with a couple hours before the deadline, I banged a U-ey and went after him.

I gave:
Hardman
Singletary
Harry
Two late 2020 1sts
2020 3rd
2021 3rd

I got:
Hopkins

The hot take machine has been buzzing in my league all day — it’s the biggest trade that’s ever gone down by far, and responses have ranged from how I got absolutely taken to the cleaners to how they can’t believe I got Hopkins without sending an established player. We’re still only a couple years into dynasty... how’d I do? It came together quickly and was a lot to give, but I don’t think I’d have taken less if I were the Nuk owner, who was totally bereft of talent outside of him.

(You can mostly disregard the contract info in my sig for this purpose — I get one extension per year and will be extending the most key guys as we go. Salaries will be a factor, but I’m confident I can afford to keep the band together for a while).
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12 Team RealitySportsOnline League, Half-PPR, TEP, Half-PPFD

1QB, 2HB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX, 1SFX **Years under contract in parentheses. Two extensions and one franchise tag available per year.**

QB: Mahomes (2), Burrow (2), Young (3)
HB: Saquon (3), Gibbs (4), Henry (1), Hunt (1), Mattison (1)
WR: Chase (3), Tyreek (4), Kupp (3), Aiyuk (4), Pierce (2)
TE: Kelce (2), Njoku (1)
IR:
Future Picks: 24 2nd, 3rd, 4th: 25 4th: 26 2nd, 3rd, 4th
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12 Team Dynasty League, Half-PPR
1QB, 2HB, 3WR, 1TE, 1FLX, 1 SFX

QB: Hurts, Prescott, Geno,
HB: Bijan, Taylor, Conner, Gibson, B. Robinson, Herbert, Achane, Miller, Damien Harris,
WR: AJB, Allen, Jeudy, Nuk, Cooks, Davis, Claypool, Shakir
TE: Goedert, Knox, Dulcich, Otton
IR:
Future Picks: 1.06, 2.06, 3.05

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Gator Sens » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:49 pm

Lots of pieces, but as mentioned none are established and picks are still unknowns/dart throws. You land a top 5 overall asset...you did well here.

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby mmass » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:57 pm

I'd pay that in a second for Hopkins..... of course I own him in something like 4 or 5 out of 7 leagues.... love me some nuk
Superflex Format Q(SF)RWWFFTDK 12 Team PPR
SF1 - Yr 2
Goff Ryan Darnold Dalton
CMC Cohen Hines McFarland Peterson
Hopkins Adams Boyd Jeffery Shepard Boykins Higgins Quntez Duverney
Andrews Waller


SF2 - Yr 7 - 2019 Champ
Wentz Dak Goff Grier Brisset
Cook Mixon Hyde Mattison Edmonds Boone
M.Thomas Sutton Edelman J.Landry
Kittle Goedart Higbee


SF3 - Yr 4
Watson Burrow Goff Foles
Barkley Ja.Williams
Hopkins Evans Sutton Lamb Shepard VSM K.Harmon
Higbee Smith Howard


SF4 - Orphan Year 2
Dak Jones Taylor Brisset Eason Hurts
Taylor CEH Edmonds Dobbins
Boyd Ridley Mclaurin Lamb Reagor Harry Bryan Perriman Hurd
Andrews Goedart

2020 2 1st & 2nd

Deep Format - QQRRWWWTTFFDDKK 10 team PPR
Deep 2 Yr 5
Brady Stafford Lock Dalton Brissett
CMC Mixon Taylor Dillon DJ Hyde
Evans Hopkins Julio Edelman Gallup D.Jackson Mimz Claypool Boykin
Engram Gesicki Fant Herndon Dissly

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby AresGodOWar » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:00 pm

Gator Sens wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:49 pm Lots of pieces, but as mentioned none are established and picks are still unknowns/dart throws. You land a top 5 overall asset...you did well here.
I agree its the cost of a top 5 dynasty player , Good trade
(1) 12 Team, QB 1.5 PPRushingYard, TE 1.5 PPR
QB-J.Hurts, B.Mayfield, K.Murray
RB-A.Ekeler, S.Barkley, T.Pollard, D.Swift, Z.Moss, T.Chandler, J.Kelley
WR-D.Samuel, M.Pittman, M.Brown, J.Jeudy, J.Addison, R.Moore, S.Moore, KJ.Osborn, J.Tolbert
TE-M.Andrews, D.Waller

(2) 12 Team, 1 PPR
QB-J.Hurts, R.Wilson
RB-J.Mixon, A.Ekeler, I.Pacheco, A.Mattison, C.Akers, A.Gibson, I.Spiller
WR-T.Hill, M.Brown, C.Olave, DJ.Moore J.Jeudy, J.Hyatt
TE-D.Schultz, G.Everett, J.Ferguson

(3) 12 Team, .15 PPCarry, WR 1.25 PPR, TE 2 PPR
QB-L.Jackson, J.Dobbs, T.Lance
RB-J.Jacobs, S.Barkley, A.Mattison, M.Sanders, Z.White, T.Chandler
WR-C.Lamb, AJ.Brown, J.Jeudy, M.Pittman, J.Tolbert
TE-D.Waller, J.Smith, G.Everett

(4) 14 Team SF, .2 PPCarry, TE 1.65 PPR
QB-J.Allen, G.Smith, J.Dobbs
RB-C.McCaffery, J.Mixon, J.Jacobs, Jav.Williams, C.Hubbard, S.Perine, C.Evans
WR-C.Godwin, J.Addison, C.Samuel, D.Parker
TE-D.Schultz, J.Ferguson


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Teams 9-12 memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=26151
Teams 13-16 memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42194
Team 17 memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=31326

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby lukkynumber13 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:10 pm

Gator Sens wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:49 pm Lots of pieces, but as mentioned none are established and picks are still unknowns/dart throws. You land a top 5 overall asset...you did well here.
x2
TEAM A - 12T (22 R/U, 20 R/U, 19 R/U, 18 Champ, 17 R/U)
HERBERT, Baker
BIJAN/KAMARA/MIXON, A Jones
HILL/AJB/DK/G WILSON/D Adams, Pittman, Z Flowers, Evans
KITTLE
/
TEAM B - 16T, SF, TEP (22 R/U)
HURTS/MINSHEW, Cousins, D Jones
JT/JACOBS, Mostert, Gus E
HILL/MCLAURIN/DEEBO
KELCE/KITTLE, LaPorta
/
TEAM C - 14T, SF (Joined in 22)
GENO
HENRY/A JONES, Gus E
HILL/DIGGS/K ALLEN
WALLER
/
TEAM D - 14T, 1QB (Joined in 22)
MAHOMES, Goff
BIJAN/BREECE/POLLARD
CHASE/DIGGS/G WILSON/AIYUK, DJM, Pittman
KITTLE, Goedert
/
TEAM E - 14T, SF, 2TE (Started in 22)
MAHOMES/T-LAW, Carr
BIJAN/CMC/SAQUON/POLLARD, Hall
HILL/AIYUK/EVANS/GODWIN, Hollywood, Thielen
MCBRIDE/ENGRAM, Goedert, Chig
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TEAM F - 16T (Joined in 23)
R WILSON, Minshew
SAQUON/KAMARA/MIXON, Monty
DIGGS/GODWIN/AIYUK/EVANS, Thielen, A Cooper
KELCE, Schultz
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TEAM G - 12T, SF & TEP (Joined in 23)
HERBERT/TUA, Kyler
BIJAN/MIXON, Spears, J Warren
JJ/G WILSON/WADDLE/OLAVE, Godwin, J Reed
LAPORTA

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Dibbles » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:13 pm

Hopkins all day for a bunch of unproven stuff, especially if competing now.

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby jetsfan5757 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:43 pm

Yup. 3 quarters, a dime and a few nickels for a dollar. Do that allllllll day.

Great trade!
Dynasty League (25 man rosters + 2 IR, non-PPR scoring. QB/3RB/3WR/2TE/K/DB/LB/DL no flex)

QB (1): Herbert, Lawrence, Darnold
RB (3): N. Chubb, D. Henry, J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, Pollard, Singletary, L. Murray
WR (3): D. Hopkins, D. Adams, M. Evans, D.J. Moore, DJ Chark, B. Aiyuk, J. Smith-Schuster, R Bateman, E. Moore
TE (2): I. Smith Jr, H. Henry, Schultz, Tremble

K (1): M. Crosby

DB (1): J. Adams
LB (1): F. Warner
DL (1): D. Lawrence

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Slackalacker » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:00 am

Great deal for Hopkins.
TEAM 1 - 10 team SF 1PPR | 2017 & 2019 League Champ
1QB/1SF/2RB/2WR/1TE/2FLEX
QB: Dak - Hurts - DangeRuss - Tua - Z Wilson - Mills
RB: Barkley - Zeke - Sanders - Pollard - Patterson - D’Ernest - Jermar - Evans - Jones
WR: Hill - JJeff - Higgins - Hollywood - MThom(IR) - Godwin(IR) - E Moore - Marshall Jr - Calloway - Palmer - D Brown
TE: Hock - Moreau

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Cult of Dionysus » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:59 am

jetsfan5757 wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:43 pm Yup. 3 quarters, a dime and a few nickels for a dollar. Do that allllllll day.

Great trade!
And I'll take those 3 quarters, a dime and 4 nickels from you anytime you want.

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby abloom » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:04 am

At worst, this seems pretty even. At best, this seems like you came out ahead by about a 1st.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, Fields, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens, wilson
T: Kelce, Goedert, Thomas, woods
D: cle, nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson, Browning, Rudolph, Zappe
R: Swift, Walker, Dobbins, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen, Nuk, Tre tucker, C Samuel,
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Team #4 3rd
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Team #5 4th
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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby FantasyFoosball » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:00 am

As a Hopkins owner, that wouldn't be enough for me.

Side Note: How is this the biggest trade that's ever gone down in your league? That's amazing to me, it's really not that big of a trade.
Team One:
10 Team Salary Cap League w/ IDP - Est. 2018
2018: Champions!
2019: Champions!!
2020: 2nd Place
2021: Loss in Semis
2022: Champions!!!
.5 PPR/$200 budget
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB, 3 DL/LB/DB

QB - Mahomes
RB - CMC, White, Sanders, Herbert, Foreman, McKinnon
WR - Diggs, Ridley, Godwin, KJ Osborn, Woods, Claypool, Campbell
TE - Kittle, Goedert, Gesicki
K - Bass
DL - Reddick, Jones, M. Sweat
LB - R. Smith, Wagner, Leonard, White, Perryman, Cashman
DB - Byard, Bell, Hobbs, Jenkins

2024: 3rd

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14 Team PPR SF/TE Premium (2PPR)
2020: 4th Place
2021: 2nd Place
1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1SF, 2Flex
QB - Allen, Carr, Mayfield, Trask, Zappe
RB - Harris, Gibson, Herbert, K. Miller, C. Brown
WR - MT, G. Davis, Bourne, Skyy Moore, Reynolds, Shakir, A.T. Perry, C. Moore, Hinton
TE - Kittle, Andrews, Woods

2024: 1, 2, 3, 4

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Dynasty_Analyst » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:38 am

A whole lot of bench furniture for hopkins
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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Mr. Wizard » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:42 am

FantasyFoosball wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:00 am As a Hopkins owner, that wouldn't be enough for me.

Side Note: How is this the biggest trade that's ever gone down in your league? That's amazing to me, it's really not that big of a trade.
We’re only in Year Three — no one’s given up someone as highly valued as Hopkins and as such no one’s been willing to give up such a large quantity of future assets. People started off by undervaluing picks, leading to some already stacked teams having high firsts, and now I think the landscape has shifted to overvaluing them and clinging to them for dear life. I’m commish, so me and my two buddies who are most fantasy-obsessed try to trailblaze a little bit when possible. This is definitely a bolder move than the league is used to seeing, where it seems like most trades are either minor moves or someone’s getting totally robbed. Plus, it’s a salary cap league so there’s a factor that Hopkins makes a lot of money, but IMO that’s only appropriate for him. I’ll gladly pay what he’s worth.

(EDIT: I guess other studs like Zeke, Julio, and Mahomes have changed hands, but only with other studs involved coming back. There’s never been a trade of a guy like this for a million cheap young assets)

Thanks for all the feedback, guys! :biggrin: I’m excited, but was a little nervous. Glad I followed my gut and went for it.
12 Team RealitySportsOnline League, Half-PPR, TEP, Half-PPFD

1QB, 2HB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX, 1SFX **Years under contract in parentheses. Two extensions and one franchise tag available per year.**

QB: Mahomes (2), Burrow (2), Young (3)
HB: Saquon (3), Gibbs (4), Henry (1), Hunt (1), Mattison (1)
WR: Chase (3), Tyreek (4), Kupp (3), Aiyuk (4), Pierce (2)
TE: Kelce (2), Njoku (1)
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Future Picks: 24 2nd, 3rd, 4th: 25 4th: 26 2nd, 3rd, 4th
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1QB, 2HB, 3WR, 1TE, 1FLX, 1 SFX

QB: Hurts, Prescott, Geno,
HB: Bijan, Taylor, Conner, Gibson, B. Robinson, Herbert, Achane, Miller, Damien Harris,
WR: AJB, Allen, Jeudy, Nuk, Cooks, Davis, Claypool, Shakir
TE: Goedert, Knox, Dulcich, Otton
IR:
Future Picks: 1.06, 2.06, 3.05

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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby BradysBunch » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:56 am

If I am rebuilding, I would hesitate to take that since the firsts are late. It is a lot to give up, but I prefer Hopkins by an early first.
9(yes 9) team / 28 man rosters
15/17/19/21 Champ
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QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/flex/SF
Mahomes/TLAW/Fields
N. Harris/J. Williams/Gibbs/CEH/A. Jones/Hubbard/Haskins/Ingram
Kupp/Jefferson/Chase/Lamb/Hopkins/MT/Watson/Dotson/
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Re: Did I pay too much for Hopkins?

Postby Goddard » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:49 am

Cheap for Nuk


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