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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:41 pm

hoos89 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:38 pm Even if Kupp finishes on his current 116/1,584/10 pace and OBJ finishes on his current 78/1,115/2 pace? There has to be a point where that call is no longer obvious.
Kupp for Adams would be a pretty easy call. I agree that OBJ is less obvious given the off field concerns, but he's still an elite talent. He's not going to stay this way for long.

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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby pvillebiker » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:09 pm

Cameron Giles wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:41 pm
hoos89 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:38 pm Even if Kupp finishes on his current 116/1,584/10 pace and OBJ finishes on his current 78/1,115/2 pace? There has to be a point where that call is no longer obvious.
Kupp for Adams would be a pretty easy call. I agree that OBJ is less obvious given the off field concerns, but he's still an elite talent. He's not going to stay this way for long.
Funny you should say that... As a Kupp owner I got an inquiry today offering Adams for Kupp straight up. Really love Adams, but having a hard time accepting it. Partially cuz I'm a contender and think Kupp should at least match Adam's ROY production. Mostly cuz I just love the hell outta Kupp and just do not think his production is temporary or some ellaborate gimmick the rams somehow keep tricking the league with week in and week out. Yes he's on the perfect team for him, but dynasty is all about 3 year windows. He looks set for the next few.

Having said that, it's really tough to pass on Adams while his value is down. What to do, what to do...

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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby mild » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:19 pm

pvillebiker wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:09 pm Funny you should say that... As a Kupp owner I got an inquiry today offering Adams for Kupp straight up. Really love Adams, but having a hard time accepting it. Partially cuz I'm a contender and think Kupp should at least match Adam's ROY production. Mostly cuz I just love the hell outta Kupp and just do not think his production is temporary or some ellaborate gimmick the rams somehow keep tricking the league with week in and week out. Yes he's on the perfect team for him, but dynasty is all about 3 year windows. He looks set for the next few.

Having said that, it's really tough to pass on Adams while his value is down. What to do, what to do...
Christ, pull the f-ing trigger! You Kupp-boys are outta your minds :shock:

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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby pvillebiker » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:27 pm

Another data point - Kupp is up to overall WR7 in FBG dynasty rankings today. Ahead of Ju-Ju, Evans, Keenan, Amari and Julio. Wow!

Pretty amazing climb as he was in WR3 territory pre-season.

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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby hoos89 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:47 pm

pvillebiker wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:27 pm Another data point - Kupp is up to overall WR7 in FBG dynasty rankings today. Ahead of Ju-Ju, Evans, Keenan, Amari and Julio. Wow!

Pretty amazing climb as he was in WR3 territory pre-season.
I'm going to be sending some offers to sell Kupp this week.

And yeah I feel like people moved him down for the ACL and then forgot to bump him back up after the season.

In fairness though...they have some iffy rankings there. One of the guys has just garbage rankings. Mahomes at 10 overall, Kelce at 13, Kittle at 17, Thielen at 23, KJ at 24 , Cooks at 26, Melvin at 27, Gurley ahead of Jones, Mike Evans at 31, Boyd at 32, Fournette at 34, Michel at 36, Golladay at 38, Lockett at 46, Sutton at 70, Hooper at 74. Just so bad all the way down the list.
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby Ice » Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:04 pm

mild wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:19 pm
pvillebiker wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:09 pm Funny you should say that... As a Kupp owner I got an inquiry today offering Adams for Kupp straight up. Really love Adams, but having a hard time accepting it. Partially cuz I'm a contender and think Kupp should at least match Adam's ROY production. Mostly cuz I just love the hell outta Kupp and just do not think his production is temporary or some ellaborate gimmick the rams somehow keep tricking the league with week in and week out. Yes he's on the perfect team for him, but dynasty is all about 3 year windows. He looks set for the next few.

Having said that, it's really tough to pass on Adams while his value is down. What to do, what to do...
Christ, pull the f-ing trigger! You Kupp-boys are outta your minds :shock:
I can see the offer and the hesitation but Adams is the better player; He is probably the very best route runner in the game today with a better QB.

At some point teams will shadow Kupp with their best DB and that could hurt his production. Adams already dominates against most teams best DB.
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby hoos89 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:45 pm

I wish Adams was on a contender in the league I have Kupp...ugh.
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Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:58 pm

hoos89 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:45 pm I wish Adams was on a contender in the league I have Kupp...ugh.
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby hoos89 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:06 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:58 pm
hoos89 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:45 pm I wish Adams was on a contender in the league I have Kupp...ugh.
:think: I don't follow.
So I could sell a contender on current Kupp production and Adams' seemingly indefinite injury. Harder to pull that off from a rebuild team.
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JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby Kurt G.O.A.T. » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:28 pm

Jigga94 wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:20 pm
Phaded wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:04 pm I was one of the "detractors" if you will but I don't think his owners should be panicked as long as they took the realistic approach in that his production pace was not sustainable.
Think it may have been a little early to call him a WR1
this didn't age very well.

he's been a wr1 since the opening game of his second season. and he will stay there for years and years.

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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby Kurt G.O.A.T. » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:35 pm

Ice wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:04 pm
mild wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:19 pm
pvillebiker wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:09 pm Funny you should say that... As a Kupp owner I got an inquiry today offering Adams for Kupp straight up. Really love Adams, but having a hard time accepting it. Partially cuz I'm a contender and think Kupp should at least match Adam's ROY production. Mostly cuz I just love the hell outta Kupp and just do not think his production is temporary or some ellaborate gimmick the rams somehow keep tricking the league with week in and week out. Yes he's on the perfect team for him, but dynasty is all about 3 year windows. He looks set for the next few.

Having said that, it's really tough to pass on Adams while his value is down. What to do, what to do...
Christ, pull the f-ing trigger! You Kupp-boys are outta your minds :shock:
I can see the offer and the hesitation but Adams is the better player; He is probably the very best route runner in the game today with a better QB.

At some point teams will shadow Kupp with their best DB and that could hurt his production. Adams already dominates against most teams best DB.
no db can hang with kupp. that's why he's open most of the time.

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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby Jigga94 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:14 am

I know I'll never own Kupp

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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby hoos89 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:12 am

Just sent 5 offers of Kupp for top WR. Let's see how many people yell at me.
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Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
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2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby hoos89 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:07 pm

hoos89 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:12 am Just sent 5 offers of Kupp for top WR. Let's see how many people yell at me.
One for one so far. Apparently Amari has a better track record than Kupp, which I was unaware of. Also I only think Kupp should have an ADP higher than 30 because I'm biased in favor of my own players.
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Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5

Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
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Re: Cooper Kupp is a WR1

Postby FantasyFreak » Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:12 pm

Jigga94 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:14 am I know I'll never own Kupp
Why?
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