O.J. Howard Thread

[badbuddah]

It's gotten to the point where I hope Arians has a heart attack or something and can't coach anymore because he has KILLED Howard's value and FREAKING kept him prisoner by refusing to trade him. In New England he immediately is a top 5 TE, but they won't release him from this hell, and for that I wish bad things upon Tampa and their ownership.

[JJRules]

It's gotten to the point where I hope Arians has a heart attack

that's fcked up man, even in jest

[IR1]

Maybe that's "coach speak" for we want more? Brate is signed long term, thinking(hoping) they would move him for the right offer. Still have a week to hope

[badbuddah]

It's gotten to the point where I hope Arians has a heart attack

that's fcked up man, even in jest

Ya was a dark joke. But seriously, if he is not blocking because he isn't happy in the offense, how is he helping your team? Seriously why would you not try to trade him for assets that CAN help you? It's fine if you run a stupid offense that thinks TE is worthless but at least recognize that and go cheap at the position and strengthen elsewhere. We can all agree Tampa needs a lot of parts.

[Pac_Eddy]

Rumor of the Patriots asking about the availability of OJ Howard. That would be a nice boost to his value.

[Bot101]

Rumor of the Patriots asking about the availability of OJ Howard. That would be a nice boost to his value.

Yeah and Tampa foolishly said no. Unless the Pats sent a really low ball offer, I dont get why Tampa wouldnt ship him off since hes being completely wasted there.

[mild]

Rumor of the Patriots asking about the availability of OJ Howard. That would be a nice boost to his value.

Yeah and Tampa foolishly said no. Unless the Pats sent a really low ball offer, I dont get why Tampa wouldnt ship him off since hes being completely wasted there.

From a fantasy perspective yes. But from a blocking POV, he's actually helping to hold up an incredibly bad Offensive Line. That's the other shoe to this whole situation... that line is an abomination. OJH is a great blocker.

That's why he's staying home to face the rush whilst Brate leaks out for some crappy pass route.

[Pullo Vision]

Rumor of the Patriots asking about the availability of OJ Howard. That would be a nice boost to his value.

Yeah and Tampa foolishly said no. Unless the Pats sent a really low ball offer, I dont get why Tampa wouldnt ship him off since hes being completely wasted there.

Chicago gave up on Greg Olsen because he didn't fit the coach's scheme. Trading talents because of short term reasons like not being used well/fully is foolish, even if my fantasy team would love it.

[Cameron Giles]

It's gotten to the point where I hope Arians has a heart attack or something and can't coach anymore because he has KILLED Howard's value and FREAKING kept him prisoner by refusing to trade him. In New England he immediately is a top 5 TE, but they won't release him from this hell, and for that I wish bad things upon Tampa and their ownership.

The issue isn't Arians or his system. It's that Howard isn't playing well as a blocker or a receiver. He's completely regressed. I'm sure he's frustrated with his role, but frustration shouldn't make you perform this bad.

[FantasyFreak]

I don't hear anybody complaining about Bruce Arians if they have Godwin on their teams. OJ Howard is an inconsistent football player, and has never elevated from that. It was his problem at Alabama, and still is. The idea of his athleticism is tantalizing, but he's just not playing well. To put it all on the coach is ridiculous.

It doesn't mean he can never be good. I won a case of beer in my home league betting Greg Olsen would be a top 5 TE when he left the Bears. Perhaps a change of scene would do OJ some good. It certainly did Amari Cooper some good, and I love Coop. Have been a truther from the beginning, but as a Raiders fan, he was not playing well for my team. He went to Dallas and it was a catalyst for him changing his career arc. It wasn't ALL on the Raiders and Gruden. Amari was playing poorly, and very inconsistently.

[mild]

Anyone panicking needs to pour a big drink of milk. I think this is a perfect buy low for a guy that's got another decade left in this league, who has already flashed elite playmaking on absurdly limited snaps, and who now isn't being featured on the offense because that's not the system they run, and they're needing him more as a blocker.

My personal conspiracy theories? I think they've shut him down for this week because they're taking calls on him and are thinking about it seriously. My guess? Could even be something's rotten with the relationship with him and the team, and he's either throwing his effort, or has told them he's holding out this offseason (final year of rookie deal in 2020) OR my personal favourite - Tampa are trying to (/ or just plain are) depress his stats to black-ball him on contract negotiation, thus he's mad about his role and lack of receiving.

If he's moved on Tuesday... ohhh boy... I will be loving this thread. He's a smart buy right now for prudent owners.

[gunfrees]

Well...

[bjd5211]

Time to buy from the owner that was holding out hope he would be moved at the deadline.

[FantasyFreak]

Anyone panicking needs to pour a big drink of milk. I think this is a perfect buy low for a guy that's got another decade left in this league, who has already flashed elite playmaking on absurdly limited snaps, and who now isn't being featured on the offense because that's not the system they run, and they're needing him more as a blocker.

My personal conspiracy theories? I think they've shut him down for this week because they're taking calls on him and are thinking about it seriously. My guess? Could even be something's rotten with the relationship with him and the team, and he's either throwing his effort, or has told them he's holding out this offseason (final year of rookie deal in 2020) OR my personal favourite - Tampa are trying to (/ or just plain are) depress his stats to black-ball him on contract negotiation, thus he's mad about his role and lack of receiving.

If he's moved on Tuesday... ohhh boy... I will be loving this thread. He's a smart buy right now for prudent owners.

Predicting a TE with 2 season ending surgeries in his first 2 years (and is missing time again, BTW) is a bit much. Predicting any NFL players career, even a QB lasting another ten years is a bit much.

Why is he a smart buy if people want top 5 TE prices? If your getting him super cheap, sure, but if people want those top 5 prices because people thought he was going to be the next big TE producer, he's certainly not a buy.

[FantasyFreak]

Well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU0PijNCEwo