Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:37 am

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Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:14 pm
This year, he's the real deal. He's getting open, getting YAC, and receiving a ton of volume without Brown being there.

He's an unrestricted free agent after this season though. So, long-term is questionable.
Very true. I imagine the Raiders will sign him, though. They have the added bonus of being a very friendly destination for UFA's with no state tax in Vegas. 10 million a year from the Raiders is better than 10 million from other teams. (Amount just an example, not saying he's worth10 a year)

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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby kmbryant09 » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:49 am

Realistic floor: Waller is a top10 Tight End as a one-year wonder and he's never heard from again.

Realistic ceiling: Waller is a top3 - top5 Tight End for the next handful of seasons. He just turned 27, is a converted WR with plus athleticism, and is a great story to root for now that he's sober.

All I know is he's a great Flex / Depth guy for my team competing for a championship. I just hope he can sprinkle in a few more TDs as the season progresses!
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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby Goddard » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:43 am

notweswelker wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:19 pm
I'm absolutely buying. Guy has been pretty phenomenal. He gets open and he catches everything.
He's catching 90% of his passes. 90%. Gruden loves him, Carr loves TEs. Not only that but the Raiders have picks out the bleep the next few seasons. This team is already on a positive path, you can see the changes in the water there.
This guy will be a top-8 TE the next few seasons barring injury or drug use.
And you said we don't like any of the same players :D

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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby notweswelker » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:08 am

IZigUZag wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:45 pm

Except Moreau's producing in the passing game as well, as a rookie and is in another world of athleticism compared to Ellison...
Moreau is averaging 1.5 catches per game. His primary use in college was as a blocker, and that's been reflected in his stats, and in how he was utilized.

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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby notweswelker » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:14 am

Goddard wrote:
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And you said we don't like any of the same players :D
Brought together by the Wallerus himself. He really shouldn't even be classified as a TE, just like Engram. Feels like borderline cheating haha

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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby dlf_mikeh » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:57 pm

I think it's too soon to make a bold statement about his future. I'm not buying him because the TE talent is lacking so much that his price is too high, and I'm not selling him either because what else is there to replace him?

In one league I own Kittle & Waller. It's a luxury and I don't plan on selling yet. At the end of the season perhaps I will, but there's no way I'm going to do it yet.
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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby PTW32 » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:42 pm

I like him this year but don't know how to view him long term.

I'd like to buy him for my contending team in a 2 TE league but dont know how to value him.

Where would he rank vs OJ Howard?
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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby Under The Bridge » Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:04 pm

Depends on what you mean by real deal.

Can he keep this up this season? Yeah, of course.
Can he continue to do it with Carr? Probably, look at what Cook did with Carr last season.
Would Waller have these kind of stats on any team? Nah, definitely not.

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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby Forza_Azzurri » Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:45 pm

The Raiders will definitely add a WR1, likely in the draft, but I think Waller still maintains a large target share for the next few years.

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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby FantasyFreak » Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:05 pm

dlf_mikeh wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:57 pm
I think it's too soon to make a bold statement about his future. I'm not buying him because the TE talent is lacking so much that his price is too high, and I'm not selling him either because what else is there to replace him?

In one league I own Kittle & Waller. It's a luxury and I don't plan on selling yet. At the end of the season perhaps I will, but there's no way I'm going to do it yet.
Myself included, and it's TE premium, and I have been able to put Waller in the Flex spot as a result. I have not been asked about him at all, which I find odd. Either people assume I'll ask too much, or they aren't believers.

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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby Champ224 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:31 pm

I had been starting Ruldolph in one league for the first two weeks...what a waste of space

After week 2 I picked up Disley and recently moved Daniel Jones for Waller in hope to somewhat solidify my TE slot. Don’t feel like I over paid or the ask was too much for him...guess you never know unless to discuss with league-mates

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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby Phaded » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:37 pm

$9m per year extension through 2023.
Great for his fantasy value.
Hate this in real life.

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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby brutuswins » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:56 pm

Phaded wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:37 pm
$9m per year extension through 2023.
Great for his fantasy value.
Hate this in real life.
Why? Do you hate good players on your team? Oakland literally has no receivers
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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby FantasyFreak » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:24 pm

Phaded wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:37 pm
$9m per year extension through 2023.
Great for his fantasy value.
Hate this in real life.
Why? He's a great fit with the team. He's in his prime. I don't see an issue with it.

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Re: Darren Waller...is he the real deal?

Postby notweswelker » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:23 pm

Phaded they have so much cap space, this is a good deal. 26,000,000 as of now, projected 80,000,000 + in 2020.
If he plays like this, they've got a top 5 TE at a reasonable price.
I like Waller and the deal here. Good for everyone.


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