Jordan Howard: Stock Up?

General talk about Dynasty Leagues.
User avatar
DelawareRiverEagles
Practice Squad
Practice Squad
Posts: 150
Joined: Mon May 20, 2019 8:38 am

Re: What to do with Jordan Howard

Postby DelawareRiverEagles » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:40 am

Plank wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:26 pm
PHI in positive game scripts and goal line work, think he can add value, while certainly not an every week play, I suspect he can fill in for bye weeks etc..
Yeah, the carries will get split up well in PHI, keeping everyone fresher. I LOOOOOVE that. No need to run a guy into the ground.

Online
User avatar
GridironGuerilla
Ring of Fame
Ring of Fame
Posts: 3048
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:43 pm
Location: Nor-Cal

Re: What to do with Jordan Howard

Postby GridironGuerilla » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:06 am

Bo Knows Dynasty (12 Team IDP/Roster-30/8 IR/8 Taxi)1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex, 2 LB, 2 DL, 2 DB
Requiem For a Team

Dragon Eggs Devy (14 Team IDP/Roster-53/10 IR/8 Taxi)1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 4 Flex QB/RB/WR/TE, 2 LB, 1 DT, 2 DE, 1 CB, 2 DB, 2 Flex
The Night's Watch

Marvel VS. DC (14 Team IDP/Roster-53/10 IR)1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex QB/RB/WR/TE, 1 DT, 2 DE, 3 LB, 2 S, 1 CB, 1 Flex
The Hulk

A Star Wars Dynatsty (14 Team IDP/PPR/Roster-30/8 IR)1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex RB/WR/TE, 2 DE, 2 LB, 2 S
The Dark Side

Yahoo! Fantasy Profile

ninotoreS
Legend
Legend
Posts: 5095
Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:56 pm

Re: What to do with Jordan Howard

Postby ninotoreS » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:21 am

Howard will be a fantasy RB3 this year I think, barring injuries to other elements of the Philly committee.

There's some hope for a better 2020 situation. There's still a few teams in the league that prefer RBs like Howard -- in a way, it's impressive Chicago was still able to find a buyer for Howard despite him being on the last year of his current contract.
"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure."
- Sun Tzu, 469 BCE

RB6
Legend
Legend
Posts: 7178
Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:15 pm

Re: What to do with Jordan Howard

Postby RB6 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:09 am

With the Sanders injury news I’d be looking to sell Howard to an RB needy team. I’d try for any ‘20 1st. Or a 2nd and something. I don’t think he’s long for the NFL.
.5PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
Watson, Wilson, Lock, Tua, Tannehill
MT, Diggs, Woods, Boyd, Reagor, Shepard, Deebo, Pascal, S. Sims
Barkley, Ingram, Akers, Lindsay, Royce, Henderson, Justice
Andrews, Higbee, Jonnu

.5PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/2F
LJax, Lock, Burrow, Ben, Foles, Eason, Rosen
Adams, Julio, Kupp, Lockett, MWill, Shepard, Sims, Hamler, Duvernay, Van, S. Miller, Proche, Reed, ESB
Zeke, Ingram, Mostert, Hunt, Pollard, Hines, Laird, C. Thompson, Calais
Andrews, Knox, Asiasi, Keene, Oliver

PPR 1Q/3W/2R/1T/1SF/2F
Mahomes, ARod, Goff, Mullens, Eason, Stick
LF, Singletary, Mack, Breida, Hines, Laird, Eno, D. Freeman, C. Thompson
MT, Kupp, Boyd, Dede, G. Tate, Crowder, Hamler, A. Tate, Pascal, Higgins, ESB
Andrews, Thomas

PPR TE1.5 Return YDS 1Q/3W/2R/1SF/3F
Allen, Baker, Cam, Keenum
MT, Ridley, Lockett, Mecole, Miller, Robby, Reynolds, Sims, CPatt, Reed
MG, Singletary, Guice, Cohen, Gibson, Scott, Rodney
Andrews, Henry, Knox, Warring
Taxi: Morgan, Montez, Quez, Robinson, Calais

jdacunha
Pro Bowler
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1003
Joined: Sun May 01, 2011 6:45 pm

Jordan Howard

Postby jdacunha » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:41 am

After last night,, is Jordan Howard the starter in Philly? Even before, I thought he was a better RB that Sanders. He had a good end to the 2018 season and will be a top 15 RB if he gets 15 or touches per game.
21 Players Dynasty-10 teams, (Non-PPR, 4 pts per passing TD)
QB: Jared Goff, Mitchell Trubisky, Gardner Minshew
RB: Kenyan Drake, Jordan Howard, Tarik Cohen,Justin Jackson, Ty Johnson, Bo Scarbough, Jerrick McKinnon, Lamar Miller
WR: Christian Kirk, Tyrell Williams, Parris Campbell, Dionte Johnson, Allen Lazard,Chris Conley, J Crowder
TE: Jonnu Smith, Ian Thomas

bjd5211
Ring of Fame
Ring of Fame
Posts: 3661
Joined: Wed May 03, 2017 11:50 am

Re: Jordan Howard

Postby bjd5211 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:04 am

Still going to be very inconsistent with the way Philly uses the RBs, should be trying to cash in on this performance and sell him.

User avatar
Prison_Mike
Pro Bowler
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1132
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:57 am

Re: Jordan Howard

Postby Prison_Mike » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:18 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:04 am
Still going to be very inconsistent with the way Philly uses the RBs, should be trying to cash in on this performance and sell him.
x2
Still likely a frustrating RBBC. Miles was no scrub last night either - averaged 6.5 a carry and contributed in the return game

abloom
Ring of Fame
Ring of Fame
Posts: 3789
Joined: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:33 am

Re: Jordan Howard

Postby abloom » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:32 am

He's probably the starter this year. But Sanders looked solid also.
Dynasty Team #1: 2019 2nd Place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 2flex, 1DST, 1K

QB: Wentz, Tannehill, Haskins
RB: CMC, Fournette, Guice, Peterson, Armstead
WR: OBJ, Evans, Edelman, C Samuel
TE: Goedert, Henry
DST: NE, BAL
K: Zurlein

2020 picks: rounds 1.03 (Taylor),4.11 (Everett),5.11 (Bowden),7.11
------------
Dynasty Team #2: 2019 3rd place
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 1superflex, 1flex, 1DST, 1K

QB: Wilson, Murray, Cousins, Tannehill
RB: Taylor, Dobbins, Swift, Gurley, Ingram, S Michel, Thompson, J Hill
WR: Nuk, Allen, Godwin, Sutton, Edwards, Funchess
TE: Fant, Hurst
K: Boswell
DST: PIT

2021 picks, 1,2,3,3,3,4,5,6,7
------------
Redraft 2019 Champs :dance:
10 team, 0.5ppr, 1qb, 1 rb, 2wr, 1 te, 2 flex, 1DST, 1K

Keeper: Kamara

User avatar
dlf_mikeh
Legend
Legend
Posts: 5231
Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:57 pm

Re: Jordan Howard

Postby dlf_mikeh » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:43 am

Sanders has made too many mistakes his rookie year to be the sole ball carrier. I am still very high on Sanders, but the transition is going slower than I anticipated. He made mistakes on 50% of his runs... far too high.

However, the blocking in this game was superb. They both played well but that O-line and play scheme for Philly was outstanding. Any RB could have performed at a high level in this offense. Bravo to the coaches, really.

I think it needs to be a 50-50 split for a while. Howard knows the game and is more reliable. Sanders is the better talent but he's making too many mistakes. A 50-50 split solves all the problems for this season.

Kudos on Philly for making the necessary changes and making the running game successful. This is a turning point in the season for them.
Make Your Own Customizable Draft Pick Value Chart Here
"This is awesome" --- dlf_jaronf
"I've made a few draft pick charts. This is better than any of them." --- dlf_jules
"Whatever rookie draft pick chart you're using isn't as good as this one from MEuRaH" --- dlf_jules
"Excellent work on this!" --- dlf_zachb

User avatar
JFever
Legend
Legend
Posts: 6469
Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:19 pm

Re: Jordan Howard

Postby JFever » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:47 am

jdacunha wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:41 am
After last night,, is Jordan Howard the starter in Philly? Even before, I thought he was a better RB that Sanders. He had a good end to the 2018 season and will be a top 15 RB if he gets 15 or touches per game.
You thought Howard was the "better" rb than Sanders? :shifty: I think Howard is a temporary place holder and if the carries were siphoned to Sanders, we'd see top 5ish rb numbers. Sanders to me looks to be more explosive. Howard looked good last night against a below average run defense. Howard, I think is the short term rbbc veteran presence while Sanders is the not too distant future guy to own from that backfield.
Truth is found through Evidence.

Science is the poetry of reality.

* Reality (as defined by Webster's dictionary) - A word for things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional ideal of them.

User avatar
Dookmarriot
MVP
MVP
Posts: 2676
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:43 pm

Re: Jordan Howard

Postby Dookmarriot » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:09 am

I find it interesting that the narrative seems to be that Howard is some kind of stiff interfering with Sanders' clear ascent to greatness, rather than a 24 year old back who has been quietly excellent in 3 seasons as an NFL player.

I think Sanders was the best back in this class and holds great potential (if he can learn to hang on to the rock) but Howard I think is being greatly underrated. His vision and pass pro ability are big plusses while Sanders learns the game.

I understand that Howard is a pass catching zero limits him in ppr, and that the committee approach in Philly renders him not much more than a flex play right now. But right now he's cheap to acquire, can be a fantastic RB2 if Sanders stiffs, and he also happens to be a free agent next year while he's still in his physical prime. I'm buying where I can.
"I like reading the predictions of the morons on here and cashing in by doing the opposite. Especially Dookmariot." - Lotto4Life

"Because of (the Raiders), there's the no-clothesline rule, the no-hitting-out-of-bounds rule, the no-fumbling-forward-in-the-last-two-minutes rule, the no-throwing-helmets rule and the no-Stickum rule. So you see, we're not all bad." - Ted "The Mad Stork" Hendricks

User avatar
ArrylT
Degenerate
Degenerate
Posts: 8624
Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:32 pm
Location: Canada

Re: What to do with Jordan Howard

Postby ArrylT » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:18 am

Based on performances like last night, I think it is unlikely that Sanders will fully take over the lead role in Philly from Howard - but we shall see.
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

User avatar
JFever
Legend
Legend
Posts: 6469
Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:19 pm

Re: Jordan Howard

Postby JFever » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:56 am

Dookmarriot wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:09 am
I find it interesting that the narrative seems to be that Howard is some kind of stiff interfering with Sanders' clear ascent to greatness, rather than a 24 year old back who has been quietly excellent in 3 seasons as an NFL player.

I think Sanders was the best back in this class and holds great potential (if he can learn to hang on to the rock) but Howard I think is being greatly underrated. His vision and pass pro ability are big plusses while Sanders learns the game.

I understand that Howard is a pass catching zero limits him in ppr, and that the committee approach in Philly renders him not much more than a flex play right now. But right now he's cheap to acquire, can be a fantastic RB2 if Sanders stiffs, and he also happens to be a free agent next year while he's still in his physical prime. I'm buying where I can.
Well. What are you paying where you are buying? There are different people in each league. In dynasty, if I'm a depth rb away from feeling good about my depth, I'd offer a late 2nd or so for Howard. I don't at all see him as a long term answer. The holes both of these guys were running through last night were massive. I just knew I'd see some comments here today talking about how good Howard looked etc etc. Howard isn't creative, doesn't have great lateral agility, doesn't catch the ball great, and frankly, if he was "quietly excellent" like you hint at, why the hell would a defensive team that wants to grind the ball (the bears) draft Montgomery and let Howard go? Maybe there is something there that I'm not informed about. Or maybe I missed something. Anyway - C'mon Dook - quietly excellent is an odd way to describe Howard and one that I have to disagree with you on. I do however agree that right now, Howard is a nice asset for the Eagles to use in the short term while Sanders gets more acclimated to the NFL game. So, in the short term, I feel ya. I agree that on certain teams in dynasty, it'd make sense. But, the long game view on Howard - seems to me - he is a non factor. Long term (next year or maybe even later on this year) - I see it as incredibly likely that Sanders sees more carries, targets, and snaps than Howard. Howard could however retain the goal line duties. Never know.
Truth is found through Evidence.

Science is the poetry of reality.

* Reality (as defined by Webster's dictionary) - A word for things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional ideal of them.

FantasyFreak
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 14204
Joined: Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:03 am

Re: Jordan Howard

Postby FantasyFreak » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:01 am

JFever wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:47 am
jdacunha wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:41 am
After last night,, is Jordan Howard the starter in Philly? Even before, I thought he was a better RB that Sanders. He had a good end to the 2018 season and will be a top 15 RB if he gets 15 or touches per game.
You thought Howard was the "better" rb than Sanders? :shifty: I think Howard is a temporary place holder and if the carries were siphoned to Sanders, we'd see top 5ish rb numbers. Sanders to me looks to be more explosive. Howard looked good last night against a below average run defense. Howard, I think is the short term rbbc veteran presence while Sanders is the not too distant future guy to own from that backfield.
Sanders looks explosive, but he's making a ton of mistakes. Howard looks like the better RB to do what the team needs him to do right now. Sanders being top 5 is a pipe dream at this point, because he is nowhere near ready to take on those extra carries. Howard may be a placeholder, but he's most likely a placeholder for another back that will be part of that committee.
DLF Early Birds Special/ Year 1 (16 Team SuperFlex 25 man roster Start 10)

Record: 28-5 Division Champ/League High Scorer/Runner Up

Wentz, Stafford. Driskel
Chubb, Cook, Breida, Ekeler, Penny, James White, D Washington
Evans, Sutton, Woods, Crowder, Agholor, Sanu, , D Robinson, T Taylor
Kittle, Olsen, McDonald, Clay

Taxi: Mims, Asiasi

User avatar
JFever
Legend
Legend
Posts: 6469
Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:19 pm

Re: Jordan Howard

Postby JFever » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:12 am

FantasyFreak wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:01 am
JFever wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:47 am
jdacunha wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:41 am
After last night,, is Jordan Howard the starter in Philly? Even before, I thought he was a better RB that Sanders. He had a good end to the 2018 season and will be a top 15 RB if he gets 15 or touches per game.
You thought Howard was the "better" rb than Sanders? :shifty: I think Howard is a temporary place holder and if the carries were siphoned to Sanders, we'd see top 5ish rb numbers. Sanders to me looks to be more explosive. Howard looked good last night against a below average run defense. Howard, I think is the short term rbbc veteran presence while Sanders is the not too distant future guy to own from that backfield.
Sanders looks explosive, but he's making a ton of mistakes. Howard looks like the better RB to do what the team needs him to do right now. Sanders being top 5 is a pipe dream at this point, because he is nowhere near ready to take on those extra carries. Howard may be a placeholder, but he's most likely a placeholder for another back that will be part of that committee.
Not really a bold take. In today's NFL landscape, how many bell cow rb are there? It is entirely possible that another back is brought in after Howard is used. It is also very possible that Sanders learns from his mistakes, makes improvements in his game and is the primary running back for Philadelphia. I'm not saying in the next few weeks that Sanders will have top 5 production at all. In the future - say by mid next year - I see it as quite plausible. Sanders arrow is pointing up. For the time being Howard has rb2 value imo. In dynasty, Sanders has more value now and likely this gap will grow.
Truth is found through Evidence.

Science is the poetry of reality.

* Reality (as defined by Webster's dictionary) - A word for things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional ideal of them.


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], ColdZealDonkeyStrike, ravn88, SaQuads_9 and 37 guests