I would guess the guy doesn't really like Ekeler, hence why he's trying to get rid of him. All he onwer is trying to do is sell Ekeler at the highest price he will ever be in his entire career.Mephistopheles wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:19 am 3 offers from the same guy. All 12 team SF PPR
#1 - I give CMC, I get Ekeler, RSJ (this was sent before MG3's holdout FWIW). I think this may be the worst trade offer I have ever seen.
#2 - I Give D. Watson, K. Hunt, Damien Williams, Engram, I get Josh Allen, Ekeler, A-Rob, J. Graham, pick 1.12 (wouldn't give Watson for this, let alone add)
#3 - Give K. Hunt get Ekeler, pick 4.12
I guess the guy really likes Ekeler. I don't.
2019 Bad Trade Offers
Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
its not a bad offer. your personal views of not caring to be at spot 2 or spot 5 doesnt matter. totally legit offer
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
Yup if I got offered cook for my gurley its an insta reject to me and is no where near my values. But it’s fair my consensus valueBigBawseRoss wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:36 pmits not a bad offer. your personal views of not caring to be at spot 2 or spot 5 doesnt matter. totally legit offer
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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
I got offered:
M. Hardman
2020 2nd
2020 2nd
For
J. Kumerow
(3) 2020 1sts
I probably wouldn’t post it here as I like most trade offers and think we all can place values differently on players, but it came with the comments of:
“the next tyreek hill and value gonna go higher and higher. 2 touches in preseason both tds and hill free agent end of year. give you 2 seconds for first and want the other two for him but may regret but gotta gamble”
M. Hardman
2020 2nd
2020 2nd
For
J. Kumerow
(3) 2020 1sts
I probably wouldn’t post it here as I like most trade offers and think we all can place values differently on players, but it came with the comments of:
“the next tyreek hill and value gonna go higher and higher. 2 touches in preseason both tds and hill free agent end of year. give you 2 seconds for first and want the other two for him but may regret but gotta gamble”
12 Team PPR Dynasty. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1 K, 1 D, 21 roster spots.
2013 Startup
Team 1- 3rd in 2023
QB: Herbert, B. Purdy, Fields
RB: Bijan, Barkley, Akers, Dobbins
WR: T. Hill, D. Johnson, JSN, Doubs, Meyers, Thomas, Toney
TE: Andrews, Likely, Dulcic
2024: 1.01, 1.07
2025: 1, 2, 2
2019 Startup
Team 2- 4th in 2023
QB: Murray, Cousins, Wilson
RB: Bijan, Kamara, Dobbins, Rodriguez
WR: Chase, G. Wilson, D. Adams, Di. Johnson, M. Wilson, W. Robinson, R. Rice
TE: McBride, Pitts, Kmet, Likely
2024: 1.01, 1.06, 1.08, 2.09
2025: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3
2021 Startup
Team 3- 11th in 2023
QB: Goff, Watson, Cousins, Levis, Rodgers, Young
RB: Gibbs, Pacheco, Dobbins
WR: Chase, J. Jefferson, JSN, Palmer, Mooney, Tillman
TE: Schultz, Pitts, Likely, Okonkwo
2024: 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 2.03, 2.06, 2.07, 2.10, 3.03, 3.06, 3.08
2025: 1, 2, 3
2013 Startup
Team 1- 3rd in 2023
QB: Herbert, B. Purdy, Fields
RB: Bijan, Barkley, Akers, Dobbins
WR: T. Hill, D. Johnson, JSN, Doubs, Meyers, Thomas, Toney
TE: Andrews, Likely, Dulcic
2024: 1.01, 1.07
2025: 1, 2, 2
2019 Startup
Team 2- 4th in 2023
QB: Murray, Cousins, Wilson
RB: Bijan, Kamara, Dobbins, Rodriguez
WR: Chase, G. Wilson, D. Adams, Di. Johnson, M. Wilson, W. Robinson, R. Rice
TE: McBride, Pitts, Kmet, Likely
2024: 1.01, 1.06, 1.08, 2.09
2025: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3
2021 Startup
Team 3- 11th in 2023
QB: Goff, Watson, Cousins, Levis, Rodgers, Young
RB: Gibbs, Pacheco, Dobbins
WR: Chase, J. Jefferson, JSN, Palmer, Mooney, Tillman
TE: Schultz, Pitts, Likely, Okonkwo
2024: 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 2.03, 2.06, 2.07, 2.10, 3.03, 3.06, 3.08
2025: 1, 2, 3
Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
I wonder how many people that posted on here would blush if we were able to look into their own sent trades history? Like mentioned earlier, maybe 10% of these are actually bad offers. The rest of them are called opening offers. I also wonder how many people lost a good trade because of thin skin; they got offended and shut down instead of pursuing talks that could have ended productively?
Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
Agree. I make offers that aren't great, but I also make offers that people hit accept so fast their head spins and the entire league was like why did you offer that?sugbear65 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:50 am I wonder how many people that posted on here would blush if we were able to look into their own sent trades history? Like mentioned earlier, maybe 10% of these are actually bad offers. The rest of them are called opening offers. I also wonder how many people lost a good trade because of thin skin; they got offended and shut down instead of pursuing talks that could have ended productively?
12 team ppr 4 point pass td
Murray, Minshew
Singletary, Lindsay, Samuels, Ty Johnson
Chark, Arob, Woods, Diontae, Nkeal, Lazard, Conley, Cole, Dorsett
Higbee, Jarwin, Dissly
Gould, Patriots
14 team ppr superflex, .2 ppc, WR 25% ppr bonus, TE ppr bonus 75%
Mayfield, Minshew, Trubisky, Foles, Hill
Djohns, Singletary, Fournette, Harris, Armstead, Ogunbawale, Samuels
Julio, Arob, Woods, Sims Jr, Claypool, Duvernay, Isabella, Conley, Tyrell
Waller, Hurst, Jarwin, Boyle
12 team ppr 4 point pass td, superflex, 1.5 TE ppr
Goff, Minshew, Hill, Alllen, Walker
Chubb, Taylor, Henry, Singletary, David Johnson, Damien Harris, Hyde, Boone, Blasingame
Tyreek, Boyd, Diontae, Marvin Jones, Pittman, Nkeal, Duvernay, Sims Jr, Stills
Waller, Higbee, Arnold, Olsen, Parkinson, Sample
20 team ppr 6 point pass td, .05 point per return yard
Matt Ryan
Fournette, Singletary, Harris, Cohen, Duke Johnson, Trey Edmunds
Davante Adams, Tyreek, Sutton, Boyd, Dorsett, Tyrell
Kittle, Jarwin, Oliver
Murray, Minshew
Singletary, Lindsay, Samuels, Ty Johnson
Chark, Arob, Woods, Diontae, Nkeal, Lazard, Conley, Cole, Dorsett
Higbee, Jarwin, Dissly
Gould, Patriots
14 team ppr superflex, .2 ppc, WR 25% ppr bonus, TE ppr bonus 75%
Mayfield, Minshew, Trubisky, Foles, Hill
Djohns, Singletary, Fournette, Harris, Armstead, Ogunbawale, Samuels
Julio, Arob, Woods, Sims Jr, Claypool, Duvernay, Isabella, Conley, Tyrell
Waller, Hurst, Jarwin, Boyle
12 team ppr 4 point pass td, superflex, 1.5 TE ppr
Goff, Minshew, Hill, Alllen, Walker
Chubb, Taylor, Henry, Singletary, David Johnson, Damien Harris, Hyde, Boone, Blasingame
Tyreek, Boyd, Diontae, Marvin Jones, Pittman, Nkeal, Duvernay, Sims Jr, Stills
Waller, Higbee, Arnold, Olsen, Parkinson, Sample
20 team ppr 6 point pass td, .05 point per return yard
Matt Ryan
Fournette, Singletary, Harris, Cohen, Duke Johnson, Trey Edmunds
Davante Adams, Tyreek, Sutton, Boyd, Dorsett, Tyrell
Kittle, Jarwin, Oliver
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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
Generally I agree with this. I have made multiple comments about trades that don't belong in here because the trade seems really close. I will make trades that are in my favor sometimes. I do try to look at a few different measurement tools to make sure I am somewhere in the ballpark.sugbear65 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:50 am I wonder how many people that posted on here would blush if we were able to look into their own sent trades history? Like mentioned earlier, maybe 10% of these are actually bad offers. The rest of them are called opening offers. I also wonder how many people lost a good trade because of thin skin; they got offended and shut down instead of pursuing talks that could have ended productively?
When I agree most of the time with trades posted it is with the overselling of the players the owner wants to give up. If I am incapable of ranking the players and adjusting with performance I shouldn't be playing this game. I don't need to hear how great a player is doing and that the value is on the rise, especially in this last case I posted a bad trade offer after a couple preseason games.
12 Team PPR Dynasty. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1 K, 1 D, 21 roster spots.
2013 Startup
Team 1- 3rd in 2023
QB: Herbert, B. Purdy, Fields
RB: Bijan, Barkley, Akers, Dobbins
WR: T. Hill, D. Johnson, JSN, Doubs, Meyers, Thomas, Toney
TE: Andrews, Likely, Dulcic
2024: 1.01, 1.07
2025: 1, 2, 2
2019 Startup
Team 2- 4th in 2023
QB: Murray, Cousins, Wilson
RB: Bijan, Kamara, Dobbins, Rodriguez
WR: Chase, G. Wilson, D. Adams, Di. Johnson, M. Wilson, W. Robinson, R. Rice
TE: McBride, Pitts, Kmet, Likely
2024: 1.01, 1.06, 1.08, 2.09
2025: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3
2021 Startup
Team 3- 11th in 2023
QB: Goff, Watson, Cousins, Levis, Rodgers, Young
RB: Gibbs, Pacheco, Dobbins
WR: Chase, J. Jefferson, JSN, Palmer, Mooney, Tillman
TE: Schultz, Pitts, Likely, Okonkwo
2024: 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 2.03, 2.06, 2.07, 2.10, 3.03, 3.06, 3.08
2025: 1, 2, 3
2013 Startup
Team 1- 3rd in 2023
QB: Herbert, B. Purdy, Fields
RB: Bijan, Barkley, Akers, Dobbins
WR: T. Hill, D. Johnson, JSN, Doubs, Meyers, Thomas, Toney
TE: Andrews, Likely, Dulcic
2024: 1.01, 1.07
2025: 1, 2, 2
2019 Startup
Team 2- 4th in 2023
QB: Murray, Cousins, Wilson
RB: Bijan, Kamara, Dobbins, Rodriguez
WR: Chase, G. Wilson, D. Adams, Di. Johnson, M. Wilson, W. Robinson, R. Rice
TE: McBride, Pitts, Kmet, Likely
2024: 1.01, 1.06, 1.08, 2.09
2025: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3
2021 Startup
Team 3- 11th in 2023
QB: Goff, Watson, Cousins, Levis, Rodgers, Young
RB: Gibbs, Pacheco, Dobbins
WR: Chase, J. Jefferson, JSN, Palmer, Mooney, Tillman
TE: Schultz, Pitts, Likely, Okonkwo
2024: 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 2.03, 2.06, 2.07, 2.10, 3.03, 3.06, 3.08
2025: 1, 2, 3
Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
Agree for the most part, but some “opening offers” are so bad it’s pretty unlikely to find a common ground. Try not to get offended by any offer, so agree with the need for thick skin.smbkrypt24 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:49 amGenerally I agree with this. I have made multiple comments about trades that don't belong in here because the trade seems really close. I will make trades that are in my favor sometimes. I do try to look at a few different measurement tools to make sure I am somewhere in the ballpark.sugbear65 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:50 am I wonder how many people that posted on here would blush if we were able to look into their own sent trades history? Like mentioned earlier, maybe 10% of these are actually bad offers. The rest of them are called opening offers. I also wonder how many people lost a good trade because of thin skin; they got offended and shut down instead of pursuing talks that could have ended productively?
When I agree most of the time with trades posted it is with the overselling of the players the owner wants to give up. If I am incapable of ranking the players and adjusting with performance I shouldn't be playing this game. I don't need to hear how great a player is doing and that the value is on the rise, especially in this last case I posted a bad trade offer after a couple preseason games.
10Team PPR-QB/RB/WR/WR/TE/PK/flex-DT/DE/DE/LB/LB/LB/CB/CB/S/S/flex
QB- Herbert, Tua
RB- Barkley, Swift, Montgomery, Dobbins, Walker
WR-Adams, ARSB, JWilliams, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Kirk, Flowers
TE- Kelce, Goedert
PK
DT- Buckner, Simmons, QWilliams,
DE- Hunter, JBosa, Thibodeaux, JPHillips, Rousseau, Paye, Greenard
LB- Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner, De"Vondre Campbell, Asamoah, Sanders
CB- Moore, Howard, Reed
S- Dugger, Pitre, Thompson
IR Dobbins, Dulcich
Taxi- Kincaid, QJohnston
QB- Herbert, Tua
RB- Barkley, Swift, Montgomery, Dobbins, Walker
WR-Adams, ARSB, JWilliams, Godwin, Metcalf, Allen, Kirk, Flowers
TE- Kelce, Goedert
PK
DT- Buckner, Simmons, QWilliams,
DE- Hunter, JBosa, Thibodeaux, JPHillips, Rousseau, Paye, Greenard
LB- Edmunds, Warner, E Kendricks, Wagner, De"Vondre Campbell, Asamoah, Sanders
CB- Moore, Howard, Reed
S- Dugger, Pitre, Thompson
IR Dobbins, Dulcich
Taxi- Kincaid, QJohnston
Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
Just saw George Kittle go for 1.08 (Henderson was the pick) in a trade tonight.
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..
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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
I put David Johnson on the block for Team 1 in my sig the other day. RBs are highly valued in the league cause of the 0.5ppc scoring.
This started a serious of variably bad offers, but this opening one really took the cake:
Give: David Johnson
Get: Justin Jackson, Travis Homer, 2020 mid 2nd.
Also had a new guy join the league for Team 2 in my sig, and he offered:
Give: Zeke
Get: Tevin
not the worst offer in the world, but when I rejected he messaged me: "Elliot is not going to play so your screwed there,you have mahomes, trubisky,kamara and Elliot but the rest of your team sucks" which I found funny cause of who all he left out. Needless to say we didn't do business. Then he went and traded Goff for Brady straight up (SF league).
This started a serious of variably bad offers, but this opening one really took the cake:
Give: David Johnson
Get: Justin Jackson, Travis Homer, 2020 mid 2nd.
Also had a new guy join the league for Team 2 in my sig, and he offered:
Give: Zeke
Get: Tevin
not the worst offer in the world, but when I rejected he messaged me: "Elliot is not going to play so your screwed there,you have mahomes, trubisky,kamara and Elliot but the rest of your team sucks" which I found funny cause of who all he left out. Needless to say we didn't do business. Then he went and traded Goff for Brady straight up (SF league).
Team 1:
12 team SF PPR/2PPR TE Prem, .2 ppc
Q-SF-R-W-F-F-F-F-T-T
QB: Wilson, Cousins, Fitz, Flacco, Lock
RB: Jacobs, CEH, DJ, Dillon, Michel, Royce, Lewis, Bruce Anderson, Gus, Warren
WR: MT, Amari, Kupp, Pittman, Miller, Agholor, John Brown, Enunwa, Foster, Wilson, Preston Williams, AB
TE: Kelce, Kittle, Tonyan, Davis, Dissly, Knox, T.Moss
Team 2:
Q-SF-R-R-W-W-F-F-T-T-D-K-IDP-IDP PPR
QB: Mahomes, TLaw, Darnold, Bridgewater
RB: Zeke, Swift, Singletary, Dillon, Mack, Penny, LMurray
WR: MT, DJ Moore, Sutton, Slayton, Tyler Boyd, Mims, Edwards, Van Jefferson, Miller
TE: Gesicki, Hooper, Knox
Def: Chi
K: Elliot
IDP: Bosa, LVE, Flowers
12 team SF PPR/2PPR TE Prem, .2 ppc
Q-SF-R-W-F-F-F-F-T-T
QB: Wilson, Cousins, Fitz, Flacco, Lock
RB: Jacobs, CEH, DJ, Dillon, Michel, Royce, Lewis, Bruce Anderson, Gus, Warren
WR: MT, Amari, Kupp, Pittman, Miller, Agholor, John Brown, Enunwa, Foster, Wilson, Preston Williams, AB
TE: Kelce, Kittle, Tonyan, Davis, Dissly, Knox, T.Moss
Team 2:
Q-SF-R-R-W-W-F-F-T-T-D-K-IDP-IDP PPR
QB: Mahomes, TLaw, Darnold, Bridgewater
RB: Zeke, Swift, Singletary, Dillon, Mack, Penny, LMurray
WR: MT, DJ Moore, Sutton, Slayton, Tyler Boyd, Mims, Edwards, Van Jefferson, Miller
TE: Gesicki, Hooper, Knox
Def: Chi
K: Elliot
IDP: Bosa, LVE, Flowers
Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
2020 2nd,2020 3rd and Sanu for AB84.
At least I think it's bad. Am I wrong?
At least I think it's bad. Am I wrong?
Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
I concur with you. Even with all the uncertainty, this is way low. With your team, you can contend even without him.
12 Team, 25-man Roster (2 IR), Half point PPR, 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE).
QB: Ryan, Tua, Fitzpatrick.
RB: McCaffrey, Chubb, Gibson, Gaskin, Bernard, Mack, Edwards, Hines, Kerryon.
WR: Hopkins, Moore, Chark, Landry, Chase, Waddle, Amon-Ra, Parker, Gallup, Shepard.
TE: Ebron, Higbee, Herndon.
Draft Picks
2022: 1st, 2nd, 2nd.
2023: 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
2024: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd.
QB: Ryan, Tua, Fitzpatrick.
RB: McCaffrey, Chubb, Gibson, Gaskin, Bernard, Mack, Edwards, Hines, Kerryon.
WR: Hopkins, Moore, Chark, Landry, Chase, Waddle, Amon-Ra, Parker, Gallup, Shepard.
TE: Ebron, Higbee, Herndon.
Draft Picks
2022: 1st, 2nd, 2nd.
2023: 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
2024: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd.
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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
A thread with the words "bad trade offers" in the title always amuses me and takes me back to when ESPN had a fantasy forum where we were able to go and have opinions much like we are doing here on DLF. One frequent poster stated (and I am paraphrasing here--because it has been years since the forum was up and active)--there are no bad trades only trades that appear to be bad. And I have always thought that was probably the most profound thing I had read in a fantasy football forum. Now I have seen some trades that in my mind were aweful but they went through and no one has complained about them. And then I have seen some trades that appear to be fair or as close as you can can get that are are just lambasted--ruthlessly and unfairly in my opinion.
Even in one of my most active leagues--with guys that have been around for awhile--we have this issue. In this particular league my team is basically an almost start from the bottom rebuild--and I made a trade. A trade that even as I look at it today still appears to be very even and practical trade. And i got unmercifully torched and berated--for days. Not too long after this-- another trade was completed and I didn't like the one side at all--. But -- lo and behold -- the owner most vocal about how poorly I had done with my trade was was very effusive in his praise of what i considered the losing side the just completed trade. Moral of the story? One simply doesn't know how each and every owner values players , picks, team structure, etc.
Even in this very thread I have seen trades posted that weren't bad. Maybe not something I would have done--but not bad per se--. I will always be drawn to threads like this --like a moth a lightbulb--
Even in one of my most active leagues--with guys that have been around for awhile--we have this issue. In this particular league my team is basically an almost start from the bottom rebuild--and I made a trade. A trade that even as I look at it today still appears to be very even and practical trade. And i got unmercifully torched and berated--for days. Not too long after this-- another trade was completed and I didn't like the one side at all--. But -- lo and behold -- the owner most vocal about how poorly I had done with my trade was was very effusive in his praise of what i considered the losing side the just completed trade. Moral of the story? One simply doesn't know how each and every owner values players , picks, team structure, etc.
Even in this very thread I have seen trades posted that weren't bad. Maybe not something I would have done--but not bad per se--. I will always be drawn to threads like this --like a moth a lightbulb--
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Re: 2019 Bad Trade Offers
Give Jacobs and 2020 2nd (projected 2.01.)
Get Christian Kirk
Get Christian Kirk
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