Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

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Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby WOATjohn » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:57 am

12-team PPR with deep rosters
The league is extremely active right now and everyone is pivoting and overpaying for their guy (I traded Duke and McKinnon yesterday for an early proj 20 1st). I will have to cut 3 players before the season starts too.
I have rejected any conversation with OBJ because he is a building block for me but should I see what happens?
This league determines draft order by “Potential Points” so that leans me a bit to tanking as much as possible without throwing my future away.
If I could get a guy like Diggs (or similar tier) plus a couple of picks would that be smart?

My team:
Garoppolo, Jimmy SFO QB
Mayfield, Baker CLE QB

Adams, Josh PHI RB
Bernard, Giovani CIN RB
Hilliard, Dontrell CLE RB
Jackson, Darius DAL RB
Johnson, Ty DET RB (R)
Lewis, Dion TEN RB
McKinnon, Jerick SFO RB
Mixon, Joe CIN RB
Montgomery, David CHI RB
Sanders, Miles PHI RB (R)
Wilkins, Jordan IND

Beckham, Odell CLE WR
Berrios, Braxton NEP WR
Brown, A.J. TEN WR (R)
Callaway, Antonio CLE WR
Crowder, Jamison NYJ WR
Gordon, Josh NEP WR (S)
Higgins, Rashard CLE WR
Johnson, Diontae PIT WR (R)
Miller, Anthony CHI WR
Renfrow, Hunter OAK WR (R)
Samuel, Deebo SFO WR (R)
Slayton, Darius NYG WR (R)
Smith, Tre'Quan NOS WR 88.70
St. Brown, Equanimeous GBP WR
Switzer, Ryan PIT WR

Knox, Dawson BUF TE (R)
Shaheen, Adam CHI TE
Sternberger, Jace GBP TE (R)
Thomas, Ian CAR TE
2020 Picks: 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th
12tm SF/TEP 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX, 1SF
**23 Champ**
QB: Hurts, Goff, Mayfield, B Zappe
RB: Ekeler, Pollard, Mostert, Warren, A Jones, Mattison, Dillon, D Cook, Gray
WR: Hill, Moore, Adams, D Smith, Cooper, Dortch, Hardman
TE: Kelce, Ferguson, I Smith, Ruckert, Hendershot, Washington
3, 4

12tm PPR 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3FLX
1st rd exit
QB: Jackson, Watson, Howell
RB: Breece, Bijan, Mostert, R Johnson, C Brown, Demercado, D Foreman, Gray, D Johnson
WR: Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson, DeVonta Smith, Smith-Njigba, J Williams, Q Johnson, D Bell, Bateman, N Brown, Phillips, Gage, Iosivas
TE: Kincaid, Ferguson, Granson
4

12tm PPR 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX
FULL REBUILD
QB: Richardson, Ridder, Lance
RB: Achane, Javonte, Ahmed, Abanikanda, Strong, Scott, Penny, McBride
WR: G Davis, Hollywood, M Wilson, WanDale, Pierce, R Moore, Bell, Marshall
TE: Freiermuth, Kraft, Knox, Ruckert, Schoonmaker, Strange
1.01, 1.08, 1.12, 2.01, 3.01, 3.07, 3.08, 4.01, 4.02, 4.11, 5.01, 5.05, 5.10

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby The.Big.Spank » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:32 am

With 3 2020 1st I would be more inclined to build around OBJ than trade him. Pair him with Juedy, add a Swift, that would be nice.
Team 1: 16 Team
QB's: Fields, Wentz,
RB: D. Harris, D. Montgomery, Kendre M.
WR: Chase, AJ Brown, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Waller, J. Woods, Dulich, Mayer

Team 2: 12 Team SF 1ppr, Start 10
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Watson
RB: Hall, Walker, Javonte, Pacheco, K Mitchell, Dobbins
WR: Godwin, JSN, Pittman, Pickens, Toney, DP Jones, S Moore
TE: Andrews, Fant, Likely
(2024) 1.03, 2.03, 3.03
(2025) Top 3 1st, my 1st

Team 3 SF, TEP, Start 11 ppr
QB: AR, Watson, Young, Levis
RB: ETN, Walker, Pierce, Akers, Pacheco, Herbert, Warren, Kelley
WR: G. Wilson, Higgins, Godwin, Kirk, Bateman, Collins, Doubs, Chark, Shaheed,
TE: Schultz, I Smith, Bellinger, Parham, Fant, Likely, Granson,

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby Gator Sens » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:42 am

The.Big.Spank wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:32 am With 3 2020 1st I would be more inclined to build around OBJ than trade him. Pair him with Juedy, add a Swift, that would be nice.
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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby WOATjohn » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:52 am

The.Big.Spank wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:32 am With 3 2020 1st I would be more inclined to build around OBJ than trade him. Pair him with Juedy, add a Swift, that would be nice.
That’s been my thought the entire offseason but was curious what the consensus thought
12tm SF/TEP 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX, 1SF
**23 Champ**
QB: Hurts, Goff, Mayfield, B Zappe
RB: Ekeler, Pollard, Mostert, Warren, A Jones, Mattison, Dillon, D Cook, Gray
WR: Hill, Moore, Adams, D Smith, Cooper, Dortch, Hardman
TE: Kelce, Ferguson, I Smith, Ruckert, Hendershot, Washington
3, 4

12tm PPR 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3FLX
1st rd exit
QB: Jackson, Watson, Howell
RB: Breece, Bijan, Mostert, R Johnson, C Brown, Demercado, D Foreman, Gray, D Johnson
WR: Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson, DeVonta Smith, Smith-Njigba, J Williams, Q Johnson, D Bell, Bateman, N Brown, Phillips, Gage, Iosivas
TE: Kincaid, Ferguson, Granson
4

12tm PPR 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX
FULL REBUILD
QB: Richardson, Ridder, Lance
RB: Achane, Javonte, Ahmed, Abanikanda, Strong, Scott, Penny, McBride
WR: G Davis, Hollywood, M Wilson, WanDale, Pierce, R Moore, Bell, Marshall
TE: Freiermuth, Kraft, Knox, Ruckert, Schoonmaker, Strange
1.01, 1.08, 1.12, 2.01, 3.01, 3.07, 3.08, 4.01, 4.02, 4.11, 5.01, 5.05, 5.10

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby snaps06 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:58 am

OBJ is the type of player you build around in a rebuild, not one you trade away.

Exception: A huge overpay is fine. Think 4-5 firsts worth of value, and if picks are involved, they need to be guaranteed early. For example, I'd be willing to do something like OBJ for Amari Cooper, DJ Moore, and two 2020 1sts with one projected mid-early. It has to be something that blows you away.

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby kellysheroes » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:57 pm

yeah, you already got 3 1sts... what else do you want

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby boots » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:11 pm

I traded OBJ and Samuel for 2 projected early and mid 2020s firsts godwin wilson and 2.5 in rebuild
12 Team PPR
QB: Wilson, Trubisky, Stafford
RB: Ballage, R. Freeman, Miller, Penny,
WR: Godwin, Chark, Kenny G, Sutton, Humphries
TE: Henry, Herndon
5 2020 1sts, 2019 1.1

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby BigBawseRoss » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:20 pm

you do know that you are not at the beginning of a rebuild correct? and that adding 3 players in next years first round will certainly fill any current holes.

you have 2 top 10 startup players in beckham and mixon, 3 2019 top half firsts waiting to pan out in sanders monty and aj brown, a top 4 QB in baker, you legit need another wr and a te to be a top team, id be shocked if you didnt finish middle of the pack this season or even make playoffs.

also your trade partner showed why they finish bottom of the league yearly with that duke and mckinnon trade
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram

2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)

team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,


1,2,3,3,5

team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson

Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby The.Big.Spank » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:36 pm

BigBawseRoss wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:20 pm you do know that you are not at the beginning of a rebuild correct? and that adding 3 players in next years first round will certainly fill any current holes.

you have 2 top 10 startup players in beckham and mixon, 3 2019 top half firsts waiting to pan out in sanders monty and aj brown, a top 4 QB in baker, you legit need another wr and a te to be a top team, id be shocked if you didnt finish middle of the pack this season or even make playoffs.

also your trade partner showed why they finish bottom of the league yearly with that duke and mckinnon trade
lol, true dat.
Team 1: 16 Team
QB's: Fields, Wentz,
RB: D. Harris, D. Montgomery, Kendre M.
WR: Chase, AJ Brown, Aiyuk, Bateman
TE: Waller, J. Woods, Dulich, Mayer

Team 2: 12 Team SF 1ppr, Start 10
QB: Mahomes, Burrow, Watson
RB: Hall, Walker, Javonte, Pacheco, K Mitchell, Dobbins
WR: Godwin, JSN, Pittman, Pickens, Toney, DP Jones, S Moore
TE: Andrews, Fant, Likely
(2024) 1.03, 2.03, 3.03
(2025) Top 3 1st, my 1st

Team 3 SF, TEP, Start 11 ppr
QB: AR, Watson, Young, Levis
RB: ETN, Walker, Pierce, Akers, Pacheco, Herbert, Warren, Kelley
WR: G. Wilson, Higgins, Godwin, Kirk, Bateman, Collins, Doubs, Chark, Shaheed,
TE: Schultz, I Smith, Bellinger, Parham, Fant, Likely, Granson,

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby Smoking Guns » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:34 pm

BigBawseRoss wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:20 pm you do know that you are not at the beginning of a rebuild correct? and that adding 3 players in next years first round will certainly fill any current holes.

you have 2 top 10 startup players in beckham and mixon, 3 2019 top half firsts waiting to pan out in sanders monty and aj brown, a top 4 QB in baker, you legit need another wr and a te to be a top team, id be shocked if you didnt finish middle of the pack this season or even make playoffs.

also your trade partner showed why they finish bottom of the league yearly with that duke and mckinnon trade
agreed

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby WOATjohn » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:13 am

BigBawseRoss wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:20 pm you do know that you are not at the beginning of a rebuild correct? and that adding 3 players in next years first round will certainly fill any current holes.

you have 2 top 10 startup players in beckham and mixon, 3 2019 top half firsts waiting to pan out in sanders monty and aj brown, a top 4 QB in baker, you legit need another wr and a te to be a top team, id be shocked if you didnt finish middle of the pack this season or even make playoffs.

also your trade partner showed why they finish bottom of the league yearly with that duke and mckinnon trade
Yeah I agree that my rebuild has been going pretty good but I was just checking what the consensus thought. This league is pretty deep with starting 2 RB, 3 WR and 2 Flex with 1 TE. There’s not much in free agency because everyone can have 31 players (no kickers or defenses either) so the only way to get any sort of talent is to trade.

But I 100% on rebuilding around OBJ.
I was offering Godwin, Justice Hill, Isabella and 20 2nd for OBJ that I turned down. Too many lottery pieces thrown in with Godwin.
12tm SF/TEP 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX, 1SF
**23 Champ**
QB: Hurts, Goff, Mayfield, B Zappe
RB: Ekeler, Pollard, Mostert, Warren, A Jones, Mattison, Dillon, D Cook, Gray
WR: Hill, Moore, Adams, D Smith, Cooper, Dortch, Hardman
TE: Kelce, Ferguson, I Smith, Ruckert, Hendershot, Washington
3, 4

12tm PPR 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3FLX
1st rd exit
QB: Jackson, Watson, Howell
RB: Breece, Bijan, Mostert, R Johnson, C Brown, Demercado, D Foreman, Gray, D Johnson
WR: Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson, DeVonta Smith, Smith-Njigba, J Williams, Q Johnson, D Bell, Bateman, N Brown, Phillips, Gage, Iosivas
TE: Kincaid, Ferguson, Granson
4

12tm PPR 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX
FULL REBUILD
QB: Richardson, Ridder, Lance
RB: Achane, Javonte, Ahmed, Abanikanda, Strong, Scott, Penny, McBride
WR: G Davis, Hollywood, M Wilson, WanDale, Pierce, R Moore, Bell, Marshall
TE: Freiermuth, Kraft, Knox, Ruckert, Schoonmaker, Strange
1.01, 1.08, 1.12, 2.01, 3.01, 3.07, 3.08, 4.01, 4.02, 4.11, 5.01, 5.05, 5.10

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby WOATjohn » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:33 pm

Just traded Dion Lewis and Jameson Crowder for Justice Hill. Adding to my youth movement
12tm SF/TEP 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX, 1SF
**23 Champ**
QB: Hurts, Goff, Mayfield, B Zappe
RB: Ekeler, Pollard, Mostert, Warren, A Jones, Mattison, Dillon, D Cook, Gray
WR: Hill, Moore, Adams, D Smith, Cooper, Dortch, Hardman
TE: Kelce, Ferguson, I Smith, Ruckert, Hendershot, Washington
3, 4

12tm PPR 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3FLX
1st rd exit
QB: Jackson, Watson, Howell
RB: Breece, Bijan, Mostert, R Johnson, C Brown, Demercado, D Foreman, Gray, D Johnson
WR: Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson, DeVonta Smith, Smith-Njigba, J Williams, Q Johnson, D Bell, Bateman, N Brown, Phillips, Gage, Iosivas
TE: Kincaid, Ferguson, Granson
4

12tm PPR 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX
FULL REBUILD
QB: Richardson, Ridder, Lance
RB: Achane, Javonte, Ahmed, Abanikanda, Strong, Scott, Penny, McBride
WR: G Davis, Hollywood, M Wilson, WanDale, Pierce, R Moore, Bell, Marshall
TE: Freiermuth, Kraft, Knox, Ruckert, Schoonmaker, Strange
1.01, 1.08, 1.12, 2.01, 3.01, 3.07, 3.08, 4.01, 4.02, 4.11, 5.01, 5.05, 5.10

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby dblj1199 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:13 pm

Your team is a complete mess right now. I’d put OBJ and Mixon on the trade block and if you can get a big overpay go for it. If not build around Baker, Mixon and OBJ.
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Qb- Mahomes, Prudy, Baker
RB- S Barkley, Pollard, B Hall, K Herbert, D Foreman, R Johnson, Zeke, J Robinson, Z White, J Wilson(i.r.), J McKinnon, J Mason, J Hill
WR- J Jefferson, Deebo, DJ Moore, OBJ, S Moore, J Jennings, C Austin, Trey Palmer
TE- Andrews, Higbee, Dulchich, Ferguson, D Washington
IDP(3)- P Queen,D Perryman, J Jewell, J Campbell, N Dean (i.r.)
K- E McPherson, Butker

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2024- 2, 4, 5
2025- 3, 3, 4, 5

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby WOATjohn » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:35 pm

dblj1199 wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:13 pm Your team is a complete mess right now. I’d put OBJ and Mixon on the trade block and if you can get a big overpay go for it. If not build around Baker, Mixon and OBJ.
Lol are you in my league or something? Literally everyone else loves my my current rebuild core
12tm SF/TEP 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX, 1SF
**23 Champ**
QB: Hurts, Goff, Mayfield, B Zappe
RB: Ekeler, Pollard, Mostert, Warren, A Jones, Mattison, Dillon, D Cook, Gray
WR: Hill, Moore, Adams, D Smith, Cooper, Dortch, Hardman
TE: Kelce, Ferguson, I Smith, Ruckert, Hendershot, Washington
3, 4

12tm PPR 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3FLX
1st rd exit
QB: Jackson, Watson, Howell
RB: Breece, Bijan, Mostert, R Johnson, C Brown, Demercado, D Foreman, Gray, D Johnson
WR: Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson, DeVonta Smith, Smith-Njigba, J Williams, Q Johnson, D Bell, Bateman, N Brown, Phillips, Gage, Iosivas
TE: Kincaid, Ferguson, Granson
4

12tm PPR 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2FLX
FULL REBUILD
QB: Richardson, Ridder, Lance
RB: Achane, Javonte, Ahmed, Abanikanda, Strong, Scott, Penny, McBride
WR: G Davis, Hollywood, M Wilson, WanDale, Pierce, R Moore, Bell, Marshall
TE: Freiermuth, Kraft, Knox, Ruckert, Schoonmaker, Strange
1.01, 1.08, 1.12, 2.01, 3.01, 3.07, 3.08, 4.01, 4.02, 4.11, 5.01, 5.05, 5.10

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Re: Rebuild: what to do with OBJ?

Postby Edgy68 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:31 am

I agree you should continue this path. Nice trade for Hill.Trading OBJ wouldn't help your cut decisions much either, as you'd most likely be taking on more pieces.
Wasteland
12-team, PPR 25 roster 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1(RB/WR/TE), 1 D/ST
QB J. Burrow, A. Richardson
RB J. Taylor, D. Henry, M. Sanders, B. Hall, T. Sermon, C. Patterson, P. Strong, K. Ingram, TDP, D. Achane, K. Miller, R. Johnson
WR AJ Brown, C. Ridley, J. Chase, C. Lamb, JSN, G. Pickens, K. Osborn, J. Meyers, A. Pierce, T. Scott
TE T. Kelce, D. Goedert, G. Dulcich, J. Woods
D/ST MIN, PIT, DEN

Panthers
12-team SF, .5 PPR 35 roster: 1QB, 1SF, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2FLEX, 2DB, 2LB, 2DL, 1FLEX
QB J. Burrow, A. Richardson, J. Winston, S. Howell
RB J. Mixon, E. Elliott, N. Chubb, J. Kelley, K. Harris, J. Ford
WR D. Hopkins, C. Godwin, T. Higgins, C. Ridley, J. Smith-Njigba, J. Mingo
TE T. Kelce, K. Pitts, Z. Ertz, D. Goedert, J. Ferguson
DB R. Grant, J. Simmons
DL D. Hunter, A. Highsmith, S. Hubbard
LB C. Mosley, A. Singleton, P. Queen, D. Deablo


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