Sure, if you think that gap will continue, value Mahomes accordingly. It's a bad bet though, based on previous huge passing seasons.TheNuts wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:21 amMahomes averaged 4 ppg more than the second best qb in the league. Gurley averaged 2 ppg over the second best rb. I get wanting running backs, but having a better ppg advantage is worth a deal no matter what position it is imo.ColdZealDonkeyStrike wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:54 amI'm with Jenkins. QB is just too deep with cheap high scoring options to give that for Mahomes, much less for Murray. I'm a Murray fan boy, but I think you overpaid by a 2020 1st.
Nothing wrong with overpaying to get your guy sometimes, though.
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Yes having a better ppg average is the goal, but you're either ignoring everyone's point or it's gone completely over your head. Let me try and help you out for the last time on this.
1) You traded for Murray and not Mahomes; so quit using Mahomes and his 50 TDs as your baseline. Furthermore, no QB has ever thrown for 50 TDs in a season more than once. You can't just chalk him down for that kind of production year in and year out yet. Again, you traded for a rookie who has one year of starting QB experience in college. Hardly a sure thing.
2) Here are the top overall QB's in fantasy football the last 6 years and their ppg average over the number 2 QB:
2018: Mahomes: +4ppg
2017: Wilson: +3ppg (actually had the same average as Wentz, but excluding him since he didn't play 16 games)
2016: Rodgers: +2ppg
2015: Newton: +2.77ppg
2014: Rodgers: Was the QB 1 by 3 TOTAL points, not ppg.
2013: Brees: +2.5 ppg
So what do you notice? First thing I notice is that the only person to be the QB 1 twice was Aaron Rodgers, and his 2014 season he basically tied with Andrew Luck. Everyone else had one stellar season and then reverted back to the pack. Are you trying to claim Mahomes (or in your specific case Murray) is going to always be the number 1 QB and outscore everyone every single year? It's more likely that he comes back to earth and is in a similar stratosphere as others. Which renders that advantage you are using mute.
3) It isn't about the top guy all the time, but the scarcity of the position. You know the difference between QB2 and QB14 last year? 4.6 ppg. You know what the difference was between RB2 and RB14? 11 ppg. So in essence having RB2 and QB14 is better than having QB2 and RB14 by about 6.5 ppg. I'd rather have Royce Freeman and that 2020 first in hopes I can at least have one of those turn into a mid RB2 and roll with some other QB than pin my hopes on a rookie QB having the greatest statistical season of all time.
Re: 2019 Off-Season Trade Thread
12 team ppr starts 1RB, 3WRs, 1RB/WR flex
Gave: Sammy Watkins, Marquez Valdez-Scantling, 2.04
Received: Chris Godwin, Equanimeous St.Brown
Gave: Sammy Watkins, Marquez Valdez-Scantling, 2.04
Received: Chris Godwin, Equanimeous St.Brown
12 team, dynasty, ppr, 1RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3RB/WR/TEFlex
QB P.Mahomes, J.Goff
RB J.Taylor, A.Kamara, E.Elliott, T.Pollard
WR D.Chark, B.Cooks, A.Cooper, A.St.Brown, J.Tolbert, T.Marshall, D.Slayton
TE T.Kelce, H.Henry
(League champ somehow)
QB J.Burrow
RB T.Etienne, I,Pacheco, J.Cook, T.Algeier, J.Wilson
WR C.Lamb, M.Evans, M.Pittman, D.Chark, R.Moore, D.Peoples-Jones
TE T.Hockenson
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QB J.Burrow, G.Smith
RB D.Cook, J.Mixon, A.Mattison, R.Mostert, S.Perine
WR M.Evans, A.Cooper, C.Kirk, N.Collins
TE E.Engram, G.Everett, C.Okonkwo, C.Otton
QB K.Murray, J.Burrow
RB D.Cook, D.Montgomery, A.Mattison, K.Herbert, T.Algeier
WR A.St.Brown, K.Allen, A.Theilen, B.Cooks, T.Boyd, R.Moore, D.Hopkins
TE T.Kelce, D.Waller, R.Gronkowski, R.Tonyan, C.Otton
QB P.Mahomes, J.Goff
RB J.Taylor, A.Kamara, E.Elliott, T.Pollard
WR D.Chark, B.Cooks, A.Cooper, A.St.Brown, J.Tolbert, T.Marshall, D.Slayton
TE T.Kelce, H.Henry
(League champ somehow)
QB J.Burrow
RB T.Etienne, I,Pacheco, J.Cook, T.Algeier, J.Wilson
WR C.Lamb, M.Evans, M.Pittman, D.Chark, R.Moore, D.Peoples-Jones
TE T.Hockenson
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QB J.Burrow, G.Smith
RB D.Cook, J.Mixon, A.Mattison, R.Mostert, S.Perine
WR M.Evans, A.Cooper, C.Kirk, N.Collins
TE E.Engram, G.Everett, C.Okonkwo, C.Otton
QB K.Murray, J.Burrow
RB D.Cook, D.Montgomery, A.Mattison, K.Herbert, T.Algeier
WR A.St.Brown, K.Allen, A.Theilen, B.Cooks, T.Boyd, R.Moore, D.Hopkins
TE T.Kelce, D.Waller, R.Gronkowski, R.Tonyan, C.Otton
Re: 2019 Off-Season Trade Thread
Gross, gimme Sammy and MVS all day, let alone adding a pick on top.
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QBS-T. Bridgewater 5yrs/2.5k B. Roethlisberger 2yrs/20k, Tua 5yrs/10k, A.Smith 1yr/3k, J. Garoppolo 3yrs/8k
RBs- N.Chubb 3yrs/14k, K. Drake 1yr/19k, A.Peterson 1yr/7k, I. Smith 2yrs/1k, P. Lindsay 2yrs/10k
WRs- A.Thielen 6yrs/48k, T. Lockett 5yrs/13k, C. Sutton 2 yrs/5k W.Fuller 5yrs/19k, J. Gordon 1yr/1k, KJ. Hamler 4yrs/1k, DJax 1yr/6k, D. Johnson 3yrs/1k, H.Renfrow 4yrs/1k, M.Williams 2yrs/10k
TEs- OJ.Howard 5yrs/5k W.Dissly 1yr/4k, G.Everett 1yr/5k, D.Goedert 2yrs/5k
Def- Saints
Taxi - Rodney Anderson, R. Burkhead, E. St. Brown
2020 Draft - 2nd, 4th, 4th and 5th
PPR SCL 75 yrs, 260k, 26 roster spots, 4 Taxi
Format 1QB 2RB 3WR 1RB/WR/TE Flex 1 Superflex 1TE 1D/ST
QBS-T. Bridgewater 5yrs/2.5k B. Roethlisberger 2yrs/20k, Tua 5yrs/10k, A.Smith 1yr/3k, J. Garoppolo 3yrs/8k
RBs- N.Chubb 3yrs/14k, K. Drake 1yr/19k, A.Peterson 1yr/7k, I. Smith 2yrs/1k, P. Lindsay 2yrs/10k
WRs- A.Thielen 6yrs/48k, T. Lockett 5yrs/13k, C. Sutton 2 yrs/5k W.Fuller 5yrs/19k, J. Gordon 1yr/1k, KJ. Hamler 4yrs/1k, DJax 1yr/6k, D. Johnson 3yrs/1k, H.Renfrow 4yrs/1k, M.Williams 2yrs/10k
TEs- OJ.Howard 5yrs/5k W.Dissly 1yr/4k, G.Everett 1yr/5k, D.Goedert 2yrs/5k
Def- Saints
Taxi - Rodney Anderson, R. Burkhead, E. St. Brown
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this is new dynasty player logic, not someone who has played for 5 years logic. you should know by now that you dont trade for guys hoping they are the next barkley or mahomes and value them at that level when doing so... otherwise every pick is just as valuable cuz it could turn into the next star.TheNuts wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:38 amMy team is good. It's not the best team in the league. I would say top 3 for sureCult of Dionysus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:15 amThis makes little sense whether as a SF (where Murray shouldn't be available at @.05) or as a 1QB where that would be too rich for Murray. I sure hope your team is stacked so you didn't give away a top 6 pick in a loaded draft.
It's not a SF.
The last 4 years I finished 1st, 1st, 5th, 2nd.
I know I'm in the minority on Murray, but what if he ends up like Mahomes? Would you trade that for Mahomes?
team 1
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
12 team, 1 pt for 4 rec, 0.1 per rush
1qb, 3 rb, 4 wr, te, k, 4 idp
Dak , Herbert
Achane, Breece Hall, KW3Kyren,Ford, Miller, Spiller, z evans, singletary
J Jefferson, Diggs, DK, D Smith Puka, C Watson, E Moore
Njoku , HH, Engram
2024 picks
1,3,4,5,5,6,7 (all late mostly)
team 2
12 team .5ppr
qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, te, flx,flx,
Fields, Dak
Ford,Mixon, Javonte, Mostert, Chubb, Spears
Hopkins, Evans, g Wilson Mingo, shaheed, Jamo
Kelce,McBride, Chig,
1,2,3,3,5
team 3
14 team sf, even scoring idp to offense (rb scores highly too)
Josh Allen, A Rich, Foles, Rudolph
Bijan, Charbs, Spears, Ebner
J Williams, G Wilson, C Watson, Flowers, J Addison, Tillman
Kincaid, Kolar, Ruckert, Fergeson
Kenny Clark, josh allen, jaelen phillips, felix a-u and a bunch of fluff and rookie fliers at idp
Re: 2019 Off-Season Trade Thread
I love Kyler, but no QB is worth a damn in 1 QB. Not Kyler, not Mahomes, none of them. I’d sell high all day on those guys and roll with Andy Dalton before spending that kind of capital on a shot at a top QB. That trade was awful. Hopefully it works out for him.BigBawseRoss wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:30 pmthis is new dynasty player logic, not someone who has played for 5 years logic. you should know by now that you dont trade for guys hoping they are the next barkley or mahomes and value them at that level when doing so... otherwise every pick is just as valuable cuz it could turn into the next star.TheNuts wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:38 amMy team is good. It's not the best team in the league. I would say top 3 for sureCult of Dionysus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:15 am
This makes little sense whether as a SF (where Murray shouldn't be available at @.05) or as a 1QB where that would be too rich for Murray. I sure hope your team is stacked so you didn't give away a top 6 pick in a loaded draft.
It's not a SF.
The last 4 years I finished 1st, 1st, 5th, 2nd.
I know I'm in the minority on Murray, but what if he ends up like Mahomes? Would you trade that for Mahomes?
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 9
QB Allen/Tubisky/Lock
RB Mixon/Harris/Etienne
WR DJ Moore
TE Kelce/Irv
2022 1.06/1.09
2023 3x 1st
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Watson/Ryan
RB CMC/Zeke/Mixon/Sanders
WR Evans/Godwin/Robinson/Golladay/Thielen/Lockett/Fuller
TE Kittle/Waller/L. Thomas
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Murray/Brady
RB CMC
WR Adams/Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/Aiyuk/Woods/R. Moore
TE Kelce/Kittle/Njoku
2x 2023 1sts
12 tm PPR 1.5 for TE Superflex start 2 TE start 12
QB Herbert/Tua/Lawrence/Fields
RB Harris/Etienne
WR Jefferson/Deebo/Lamb/DSmith/Sutton/Juedy/Kirk/E. Moore/R. Moore
TE Kittle/Pitts/Waller/Fant/Njoku
2022 1.01/1.12/2.02
QB Allen/Tubisky/Lock
RB Mixon/Harris/Etienne
WR DJ Moore
TE Kelce/Irv
2022 1.06/1.09
2023 3x 1st
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Watson/Ryan
RB CMC/Zeke/Mixon/Sanders
WR Evans/Godwin/Robinson/Golladay/Thielen/Lockett/Fuller
TE Kittle/Waller/L. Thomas
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Murray/Brady
RB CMC
WR Adams/Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/Aiyuk/Woods/R. Moore
TE Kelce/Kittle/Njoku
2x 2023 1sts
12 tm PPR 1.5 for TE Superflex start 2 TE start 12
QB Herbert/Tua/Lawrence/Fields
RB Harris/Etienne
WR Jefferson/Deebo/Lamb/DSmith/Sutton/Juedy/Kirk/E. Moore/R. Moore
TE Kittle/Pitts/Waller/Fant/Njoku
2022 1.01/1.12/2.02
Re: 2019 Off-Season Trade Thread
I'd trade Sammy and MVS for Godwin... To each their own
Re: 2019 Off-Season Trade Thread
I get what everyone is saying here. If Murray turns out to be just good, it wasn't worth it. He needs to be a superstar. If Mahomes does repeat last year's numbers though, he is worth it. Most everyone is betting Mahomes will not repeat, which history is on the side of. I think he comes close to repeating, and if Murray is as good as I believe, he will have another sizeable advantage at the position for me. Plus, he ages better than a rb.BigBawseRoss wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:30 pmthis is new dynasty player logic, not someone who has played for 5 years logic. you should know by now that you dont trade for guys hoping they are the next barkley or mahomes and value them at that level when doing so... otherwise every pick is just as valuable cuz it could turn into the next star.TheNuts wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:38 amMy team is good. It's not the best team in the league. I would say top 3 for sureCult of Dionysus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:15 am
This makes little sense whether as a SF (where Murray shouldn't be available at @.05) or as a 1QB where that would be too rich for Murray. I sure hope your team is stacked so you didn't give away a top 6 pick in a loaded draft.
It's not a SF.
The last 4 years I finished 1st, 1st, 5th, 2nd.
I know I'm in the minority on Murray, but what if he ends up like Mahomes? Would you trade that for Mahomes?
12 team ppr 4 point pass td
Murray, Minshew
Singletary, Lindsay, Samuels, Ty Johnson
Chark, Arob, Woods, Diontae, Nkeal, Lazard, Conley, Cole, Dorsett
Higbee, Jarwin, Dissly
Gould, Patriots
14 team ppr superflex, .2 ppc, WR 25% ppr bonus, TE ppr bonus 75%
Mayfield, Minshew, Trubisky, Foles, Hill
Djohns, Singletary, Fournette, Harris, Armstead, Ogunbawale, Samuels
Julio, Arob, Woods, Sims Jr, Claypool, Duvernay, Isabella, Conley, Tyrell
Waller, Hurst, Jarwin, Boyle
12 team ppr 4 point pass td, superflex, 1.5 TE ppr
Goff, Minshew, Hill, Alllen, Walker
Chubb, Taylor, Henry, Singletary, David Johnson, Damien Harris, Hyde, Boone, Blasingame
Tyreek, Boyd, Diontae, Marvin Jones, Pittman, Nkeal, Duvernay, Sims Jr, Stills
Waller, Higbee, Arnold, Olsen, Parkinson, Sample
20 team ppr 6 point pass td, .05 point per return yard
Matt Ryan
Fournette, Singletary, Harris, Cohen, Duke Johnson, Trey Edmunds
Davante Adams, Tyreek, Sutton, Boyd, Dorsett, Tyrell
Kittle, Jarwin, Oliver
Murray, Minshew
Singletary, Lindsay, Samuels, Ty Johnson
Chark, Arob, Woods, Diontae, Nkeal, Lazard, Conley, Cole, Dorsett
Higbee, Jarwin, Dissly
Gould, Patriots
14 team ppr superflex, .2 ppc, WR 25% ppr bonus, TE ppr bonus 75%
Mayfield, Minshew, Trubisky, Foles, Hill
Djohns, Singletary, Fournette, Harris, Armstead, Ogunbawale, Samuels
Julio, Arob, Woods, Sims Jr, Claypool, Duvernay, Isabella, Conley, Tyrell
Waller, Hurst, Jarwin, Boyle
12 team ppr 4 point pass td, superflex, 1.5 TE ppr
Goff, Minshew, Hill, Alllen, Walker
Chubb, Taylor, Henry, Singletary, David Johnson, Damien Harris, Hyde, Boone, Blasingame
Tyreek, Boyd, Diontae, Marvin Jones, Pittman, Nkeal, Duvernay, Sims Jr, Stills
Waller, Higbee, Arnold, Olsen, Parkinson, Sample
20 team ppr 6 point pass td, .05 point per return yard
Matt Ryan
Fournette, Singletary, Harris, Cohen, Duke Johnson, Trey Edmunds
Davante Adams, Tyreek, Sutton, Boyd, Dorsett, Tyrell
Kittle, Jarwin, Oliver
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Yeah I'm good with this one, too
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QB: Mahomes, Brady, Stafford
RB: Barkley, Taylor, Dobbins, Swift, Jacobs
WR: Chase, Jefferson, AJB, Lamb, DJM, Olave, Dotson, Mike Evans
TE: Hock, Dulcich, Chig, Fant, Jonnu, Hurst, Everett
K: Some guy
Def: Who knows
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QB: Mahomes, Brady, Stafford
RB: Barkley, Taylor, Dobbins, Swift, Jacobs
WR: Chase, Jefferson, AJB, Lamb, DJM, Olave, Dotson, Mike Evans
TE: Hock, Dulcich, Chig, Fant, Jonnu, Hurst, Everett
K: Some guy
Def: Who knows
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Re: 2019 Off-Season Trade Thread
He needs to be a star for you to break even at best. That’s an awful bet to make.TheNuts wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:44 pmI get what everyone is saying here. If Murray turns out to be just good, it wasn't worth it. He needs to be a superstar. If Mahomes does repeat last year's numbers though, he is worth it. Most everyone is betting Mahomes will not repeat, which history is on the side of. I think he comes close to repeating, and if Murray is as good as I believe, he will have another sizeable advantage at the position for me. Plus, he ages better than a rb.BigBawseRoss wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:30 pmthis is new dynasty player logic, not someone who has played for 5 years logic. you should know by now that you dont trade for guys hoping they are the next barkley or mahomes and value them at that level when doing so... otherwise every pick is just as valuable cuz it could turn into the next star.
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 9
QB Allen/Tubisky/Lock
RB Mixon/Harris/Etienne
WR DJ Moore
TE Kelce/Irv
2022 1.06/1.09
2023 3x 1st
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Watson/Ryan
RB CMC/Zeke/Mixon/Sanders
WR Evans/Godwin/Robinson/Golladay/Thielen/Lockett/Fuller
TE Kittle/Waller/L. Thomas
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Murray/Brady
RB CMC
WR Adams/Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/Aiyuk/Woods/R. Moore
TE Kelce/Kittle/Njoku
2x 2023 1sts
12 tm PPR 1.5 for TE Superflex start 2 TE start 12
QB Herbert/Tua/Lawrence/Fields
RB Harris/Etienne
WR Jefferson/Deebo/Lamb/DSmith/Sutton/Juedy/Kirk/E. Moore/R. Moore
TE Kittle/Pitts/Waller/Fant/Njoku
2022 1.01/1.12/2.02
QB Allen/Tubisky/Lock
RB Mixon/Harris/Etienne
WR DJ Moore
TE Kelce/Irv
2022 1.06/1.09
2023 3x 1st
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Watson/Ryan
RB CMC/Zeke/Mixon/Sanders
WR Evans/Godwin/Robinson/Golladay/Thielen/Lockett/Fuller
TE Kittle/Waller/L. Thomas
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Murray/Brady
RB CMC
WR Adams/Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/Aiyuk/Woods/R. Moore
TE Kelce/Kittle/Njoku
2x 2023 1sts
12 tm PPR 1.5 for TE Superflex start 2 TE start 12
QB Herbert/Tua/Lawrence/Fields
RB Harris/Etienne
WR Jefferson/Deebo/Lamb/DSmith/Sutton/Juedy/Kirk/E. Moore/R. Moore
TE Kittle/Pitts/Waller/Fant/Njoku
2022 1.01/1.12/2.02
Re: 2019 Off-Season Trade Thread
A first round pick is no guarantee for success. You are acting like I gave up guaranteed studs for Murray. Every pick is a gamble, and Freeman is a long way from being a lock. He also doesn't catch many passes which hurts in ppr. If Murray is throwing for quite a few tds and running a lot, it's going to make him very valuable in 4 td passes.briank wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:00 pmHe needs to be a star for you to break even at best. That’s an awful bet to make.TheNuts wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:44 pmI get what everyone is saying here. If Murray turns out to be just good, it wasn't worth it. He needs to be a superstar. If Mahomes does repeat last year's numbers though, he is worth it. Most everyone is betting Mahomes will not repeat, which history is on the side of. I think he comes close to repeating, and if Murray is as good as I believe, he will have another sizeable advantage at the position for me. Plus, he ages better than a rb.BigBawseRoss wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:30 pm
this is new dynasty player logic, not someone who has played for 5 years logic. you should know by now that you dont trade for guys hoping they are the next barkley or mahomes and value them at that level when doing so... otherwise every pick is just as valuable cuz it could turn into the next star.
12 team ppr 4 point pass td
Murray, Minshew
Singletary, Lindsay, Samuels, Ty Johnson
Chark, Arob, Woods, Diontae, Nkeal, Lazard, Conley, Cole, Dorsett
Higbee, Jarwin, Dissly
Gould, Patriots
14 team ppr superflex, .2 ppc, WR 25% ppr bonus, TE ppr bonus 75%
Mayfield, Minshew, Trubisky, Foles, Hill
Djohns, Singletary, Fournette, Harris, Armstead, Ogunbawale, Samuels
Julio, Arob, Woods, Sims Jr, Claypool, Duvernay, Isabella, Conley, Tyrell
Waller, Hurst, Jarwin, Boyle
12 team ppr 4 point pass td, superflex, 1.5 TE ppr
Goff, Minshew, Hill, Alllen, Walker
Chubb, Taylor, Henry, Singletary, David Johnson, Damien Harris, Hyde, Boone, Blasingame
Tyreek, Boyd, Diontae, Marvin Jones, Pittman, Nkeal, Duvernay, Sims Jr, Stills
Waller, Higbee, Arnold, Olsen, Parkinson, Sample
20 team ppr 6 point pass td, .05 point per return yard
Matt Ryan
Fournette, Singletary, Harris, Cohen, Duke Johnson, Trey Edmunds
Davante Adams, Tyreek, Sutton, Boyd, Dorsett, Tyrell
Kittle, Jarwin, Oliver
Murray, Minshew
Singletary, Lindsay, Samuels, Ty Johnson
Chark, Arob, Woods, Diontae, Nkeal, Lazard, Conley, Cole, Dorsett
Higbee, Jarwin, Dissly
Gould, Patriots
14 team ppr superflex, .2 ppc, WR 25% ppr bonus, TE ppr bonus 75%
Mayfield, Minshew, Trubisky, Foles, Hill
Djohns, Singletary, Fournette, Harris, Armstead, Ogunbawale, Samuels
Julio, Arob, Woods, Sims Jr, Claypool, Duvernay, Isabella, Conley, Tyrell
Waller, Hurst, Jarwin, Boyle
12 team ppr 4 point pass td, superflex, 1.5 TE ppr
Goff, Minshew, Hill, Alllen, Walker
Chubb, Taylor, Henry, Singletary, David Johnson, Damien Harris, Hyde, Boone, Blasingame
Tyreek, Boyd, Diontae, Marvin Jones, Pittman, Nkeal, Duvernay, Sims Jr, Stills
Waller, Higbee, Arnold, Olsen, Parkinson, Sample
20 team ppr 6 point pass td, .05 point per return yard
Matt Ryan
Fournette, Singletary, Harris, Cohen, Duke Johnson, Trey Edmunds
Davante Adams, Tyreek, Sutton, Boyd, Dorsett, Tyrell
Kittle, Jarwin, Oliver
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Me too, I wouldn't trade my Godwin for Sammy and MVS.
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Re: 2019 Off-Season Trade Thread
If Mahomes has another year like last year and it works for the Chiefs, I think we'll see a massive shift in offensive philosophy to pass heavy systems, which will raise the average QB scoring and make it less of a pronounced gap. The main difference between Mahomes and other top QBs is Andy Reid letting Mahomes rip it, not Mahomes' (significant) talent. Coaching philosophies get copied fast when they work in the NFL.TheNuts wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:44 pmI get what everyone is saying here. If Murray turns out to be just good, it wasn't worth it. He needs to be a superstar. If Mahomes does repeat last year's numbers though, he is worth it. Most everyone is betting Mahomes will not repeat, which history is on the side of. I think he comes close to repeating, and if Murray is as good as I believe, he will have another sizeable advantage at the position for me. Plus, he ages better than a rb.BigBawseRoss wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:30 pmthis is new dynasty player logic, not someone who has played for 5 years logic. you should know by now that you dont trade for guys hoping they are the next barkley or mahomes and value them at that level when doing so... otherwise every pick is just as valuable cuz it could turn into the next star.
That said, I think the trade is close if you were getting Mahomes.
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Re: 2019 Off-Season Trade Thread
Has the love for Godwin really moved this far?? Or what am I missing here?? Sammy is the #2 WR in the best offense in football. MVS has the potential to be the #2 WR in a top 5 offense. On the other side you have the #2 WR in at best a top 10 offense? and the 4th WR in GB?? Just looking for some clarification here.AussieMate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:15 pmMe too, I wouldn't trade my Godwin for Sammy and MVS.
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PPR SCL 75 yrs, 260k, 26 roster spots, 4 Taxi
Format 1QB 2RB 3WR 1RB/WR/TE Flex 1 Superflex 1TE 1D/ST
QBS-T. Bridgewater 5yrs/2.5k B. Roethlisberger 2yrs/20k, Tua 5yrs/10k, A.Smith 1yr/3k, J. Garoppolo 3yrs/8k
RBs- N.Chubb 3yrs/14k, K. Drake 1yr/19k, A.Peterson 1yr/7k, I. Smith 2yrs/1k, P. Lindsay 2yrs/10k
WRs- A.Thielen 6yrs/48k, T. Lockett 5yrs/13k, C. Sutton 2 yrs/5k W.Fuller 5yrs/19k, J. Gordon 1yr/1k, KJ. Hamler 4yrs/1k, DJax 1yr/6k, D. Johnson 3yrs/1k, H.Renfrow 4yrs/1k, M.Williams 2yrs/10k
TEs- OJ.Howard 5yrs/5k W.Dissly 1yr/4k, G.Everett 1yr/5k, D.Goedert 2yrs/5k
Def- Saints
Taxi - Rodney Anderson, R. Burkhead, E. St. Brown
2020 Draft - 2nd, 4th, 4th and 5th
PPR SCL 75 yrs, 260k, 26 roster spots, 4 Taxi
Format 1QB 2RB 3WR 1RB/WR/TE Flex 1 Superflex 1TE 1D/ST
QBS-T. Bridgewater 5yrs/2.5k B. Roethlisberger 2yrs/20k, Tua 5yrs/10k, A.Smith 1yr/3k, J. Garoppolo 3yrs/8k
RBs- N.Chubb 3yrs/14k, K. Drake 1yr/19k, A.Peterson 1yr/7k, I. Smith 2yrs/1k, P. Lindsay 2yrs/10k
WRs- A.Thielen 6yrs/48k, T. Lockett 5yrs/13k, C. Sutton 2 yrs/5k W.Fuller 5yrs/19k, J. Gordon 1yr/1k, KJ. Hamler 4yrs/1k, DJax 1yr/6k, D. Johnson 3yrs/1k, H.Renfrow 4yrs/1k, M.Williams 2yrs/10k
TEs- OJ.Howard 5yrs/5k W.Dissly 1yr/4k, G.Everett 1yr/5k, D.Goedert 2yrs/5k
Def- Saints
Taxi - Rodney Anderson, R. Burkhead, E. St. Brown
2020 Draft - 2nd, 4th, 4th and 5th
Re: 2019 Off-Season Trade Thread
No one is a guarantee for success. What I'm saying is that 2020 1st alone is more valuable than Murray in a 1 QB league. Murray needs to turn into a super star for that trade to work out for you. Even then, it's not a big win. It is much more likely that the 2020 1st turns into an every day starter than Murray a super star. That's the difference. An average starter carries more value than the best QB in 1 QB leagues. You gave up significant value for a lottery ticket. If you like it, great. I'm all for getting your guy, but you gave up way too much in terms of value.TheNuts wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:16 pmA first round pick is no guarantee for success. You are acting like I gave up guaranteed studs for Murray. Every pick is a gamble, and Freeman is a long way from being a lock. He also doesn't catch many passes which hurts in ppr. If Murray is throwing for quite a few tds and running a lot, it's going to make him very valuable in 4 td passes.briank wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:00 pmHe needs to be a star for you to break even at best. That’s an awful bet to make.TheNuts wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:44 pm
I get what everyone is saying here. If Murray turns out to be just good, it wasn't worth it. He needs to be a superstar. If Mahomes does repeat last year's numbers though, he is worth it. Most everyone is betting Mahomes will not repeat, which history is on the side of. I think he comes close to repeating, and if Murray is as good as I believe, he will have another sizeable advantage at the position for me. Plus, he ages better than a rb.
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RB CMC/Zeke/Mixon/Sanders
WR Evans/Godwin/Robinson/Golladay/Thielen/Lockett/Fuller
TE Kittle/Waller/L. Thomas
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QB Mahomes/Murray/Brady
RB CMC
WR Adams/Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/Aiyuk/Woods/R. Moore
TE Kelce/Kittle/Njoku
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QB Herbert/Tua/Lawrence/Fields
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WR Jefferson/Deebo/Lamb/DSmith/Sutton/Juedy/Kirk/E. Moore/R. Moore
TE Kittle/Pitts/Waller/Fant/Njoku
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QB Allen/Tubisky/Lock
RB Mixon/Harris/Etienne
WR DJ Moore
TE Kelce/Irv
2022 1.06/1.09
2023 3x 1st
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Watson/Ryan
RB CMC/Zeke/Mixon/Sanders
WR Evans/Godwin/Robinson/Golladay/Thielen/Lockett/Fuller
TE Kittle/Waller/L. Thomas
12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
QB Mahomes/Murray/Brady
RB CMC
WR Adams/Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/Aiyuk/Woods/R. Moore
TE Kelce/Kittle/Njoku
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QB Herbert/Tua/Lawrence/Fields
RB Harris/Etienne
WR Jefferson/Deebo/Lamb/DSmith/Sutton/Juedy/Kirk/E. Moore/R. Moore
TE Kittle/Pitts/Waller/Fant/Njoku
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