2019 Off-Season Trade Thread

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

OK then idk what to say. You wouldn't trade an unknown in next year, next year, and a rb who isn't the 1 on his own team for a qb who there 50 tds. Yeah idk how that logic makes any sense.

I'm with Jenkins. QB is just too deep with cheap high scoring options to give that for Mahomes, much less for Murray. I'm a Murray fan boy, but I think you overpaid by a 2020 1st.

Nothing wrong with overpaying to get your guy sometimes, though.

Mahomes averaged 4 ppg more than the second best qb in the league. Gurley averaged 2 ppg over the second best rb. I get wanting running backs, but having a better ppg advantage is worth a deal no matter what position it is imo.

Sure, if you think that gap will continue, value Mahomes accordingly. It's a bad bet though, based on previous huge passing seasons.

[jenkins.math]

Mahomes averaged 4 ppg more than the second best qb in the league. Gurley averaged 2 ppg over the second best rb. I get wanting running backs, but having a better ppg advantage is worth a deal no matter what position it is imo.

Yes having a better ppg average is the goal, but you're either ignoring everyone's point or it's gone completely over your head. Let me try and help you out for the last time on this.

1) You traded for Murray and not Mahomes; so quit using Mahomes and his 50 TDs as your baseline. Furthermore, no QB has ever thrown for 50 TDs in a season more than once. You can't just chalk him down for that kind of production year in and year out yet. Again, you traded for a rookie who has one year of starting QB experience in college. Hardly a sure thing.

2) Here are the top overall QB's in fantasy football the last 6 years and their ppg average over the number 2 QB:

2018: Mahomes: +4ppg
2017: Wilson: +3ppg (actually had the same average as Wentz, but excluding him since he didn't play 16 games)
2016: Rodgers: +2ppg
2015: Newton: +2.77ppg
2014: Rodgers: Was the QB 1 by 3 TOTAL points, not ppg.
2013: Brees: +2.5 ppg

So what do you notice? First thing I notice is that the only person to be the QB 1 twice was Aaron Rodgers, and his 2014 season he basically tied with Andrew Luck. Everyone else had one stellar season and then reverted back to the pack. Are you trying to claim Mahomes (or in your specific case Murray) is going to always be the number 1 QB and outscore everyone every single year? It's more likely that he comes back to earth and is in a similar stratosphere as others. Which renders that advantage you are using mute.

3) It isn't about the top guy all the time, but the scarcity of the position. You know the difference between QB2 and QB14 last year? 4.6 ppg. You know what the difference was between RB2 and RB14? 11 ppg. So in essence having RB2 and QB14 is better than having QB2 and RB14 by about 6.5 ppg. I'd rather have Royce Freeman and that 2020 first in hopes I can at least have one of those turn into a mid RB2 and roll with some other QB than pin my hopes on a rookie QB having the greatest statistical season of all time.

[Pew Dogs]

12 team ppr starts 1RB, 3WRs, 1RB/WR flex

Gave: Sammy Watkins, Marquez Valdez-Scantling, 2.04
Received: Chris Godwin, Equanimeous St.Brown

[CAMVP]

12 team ppr starts 1RB, 3WRs, 1RB/WR flex

Gave: Sammy Watkins, Marquez Valdez-Scantling, 2.04
Received: Chris Godwin, Equanimeous St.Brown

Gross, gimme Sammy and MVS all day, let alone adding a pick on top.

[BigBawseRoss]

I gave 2020 1st and Royce Freeman

I got 1.05 (Kyler)

This makes little sense whether as a SF (where Murray shouldn't be available at @.05) or as a 1QB where that would be too rich for Murray. I sure hope your team is stacked so you didn't give away a top 6 pick in a loaded draft.

My team is good. It's not the best team in the league. I would say top 3 for sure

It's not a SF.

The last 4 years I finished 1st, 1st, 5th, 2nd.

I know I'm in the minority on Murray, but what if he ends up like Mahomes? Would you trade that for Mahomes?

this is new dynasty player logic, not someone who has played for 5 years logic. you should know by now that you dont trade for guys hoping they are the next barkley or mahomes and value them at that level when doing so... otherwise every pick is just as valuable cuz it could turn into the next star.

[briank]

This makes little sense whether as a SF (where Murray shouldn't be available at @.05) or as a 1QB where that would be too rich for Murray. I sure hope your team is stacked so you didn't give away a top 6 pick in a loaded draft.

My team is good. It's not the best team in the league. I would say top 3 for sure

It's not a SF.

The last 4 years I finished 1st, 1st, 5th, 2nd.

I know I'm in the minority on Murray, but what if he ends up like Mahomes? Would you trade that for Mahomes?

this is new dynasty player logic, not someone who has played for 5 years logic. you should know by now that you dont trade for guys hoping they are the next barkley or mahomes and value them at that level when doing so... otherwise every pick is just as valuable cuz it could turn into the next star.

I love Kyler, but no QB is worth a damn in 1 QB. Not Kyler, not Mahomes, none of them. I’d sell high all day on those guys and roll with Andy Dalton before spending that kind of capital on a shot at a top QB. That trade was awful. Hopefully it works out for him.

[Jigga94]

12 team ppr starts 1RB, 3WRs, 1RB/WR flex

Gave: Sammy Watkins, Marquez Valdez-Scantling, 2.04
Received: Chris Godwin, Equanimeous St.Brown

Gross, gimme Sammy and MVS all day, let alone adding a pick on top.

I'd trade Sammy and MVS for Godwin... To each their own

[TheNuts]

This makes little sense whether as a SF (where Murray shouldn't be available at @.05) or as a 1QB where that would be too rich for Murray. I sure hope your team is stacked so you didn't give away a top 6 pick in a loaded draft.

My team is good. It's not the best team in the league. I would say top 3 for sure

It's not a SF.

The last 4 years I finished 1st, 1st, 5th, 2nd.

I know I'm in the minority on Murray, but what if he ends up like Mahomes? Would you trade that for Mahomes?

this is new dynasty player logic, not someone who has played for 5 years logic. you should know by now that you dont trade for guys hoping they are the next barkley or mahomes and value them at that level when doing so... otherwise every pick is just as valuable cuz it could turn into the next star.

I get what everyone is saying here. If Murray turns out to be just good, it wasn't worth it. He needs to be a superstar. If Mahomes does repeat last year's numbers though, he is worth it. Most everyone is betting Mahomes will not repeat, which history is on the side of. I think he comes close to repeating, and if Murray is as good as I believe, he will have another sizeable advantage at the position for me. Plus, he ages better than a rb.

[TimeWillTell]

12 team ppr starts 1RB, 3WRs, 1RB/WR flex

Gave: Sammy Watkins, Marquez Valdez-Scantling, 2.04
Received: Chris Godwin, Equanimeous St.Brown

Gross, gimme Sammy and MVS all day, let alone adding a pick on top.

I'd trade Sammy and MVS for Godwin... To each their own

Yeah I'm good with this one, too

[briank]

My team is good. It's not the best team in the league. I would say top 3 for sure

It's not a SF.

The last 4 years I finished 1st, 1st, 5th, 2nd.

I know I'm in the minority on Murray, but what if he ends up like Mahomes? Would you trade that for Mahomes?

this is new dynasty player logic, not someone who has played for 5 years logic. you should know by now that you dont trade for guys hoping they are the next barkley or mahomes and value them at that level when doing so... otherwise every pick is just as valuable cuz it could turn into the next star.

I get what everyone is saying here. If Murray turns out to be just good, it wasn't worth it. He needs to be a superstar. If Mahomes does repeat last year's numbers though, he is worth it. Most everyone is betting Mahomes will not repeat, which history is on the side of. I think he comes close to repeating, and if Murray is as good as I believe, he will have another sizeable advantage at the position for me. Plus, he ages better than a rb.

He needs to be a star for you to break even at best. That’s an awful bet to make.

[TheNuts]

this is new dynasty player logic, not someone who has played for 5 years logic. you should know by now that you dont trade for guys hoping they are the next barkley or mahomes and value them at that level when doing so... otherwise every pick is just as valuable cuz it could turn into the next star.

I get what everyone is saying here. If Murray turns out to be just good, it wasn't worth it. He needs to be a superstar. If Mahomes does repeat last year's numbers though, he is worth it. Most everyone is betting Mahomes will not repeat, which history is on the side of. I think he comes close to repeating, and if Murray is as good as I believe, he will have another sizeable advantage at the position for me. Plus, he ages better than a rb.

He needs to be a star for you to break even at best. That’s an awful bet to make.

A first round pick is no guarantee for success. You are acting like I gave up guaranteed studs for Murray. Every pick is a gamble, and Freeman is a long way from being a lock. He also doesn't catch many passes which hurts in ppr. If Murray is throwing for quite a few tds and running a lot, it's going to make him very valuable in 4 td passes.

[AussieMate]

Gross, gimme Sammy and MVS all day, let alone adding a pick on top.

I'd trade Sammy and MVS for Godwin... To each their own

Yeah I'm good with this one, too

Me too, I wouldn't trade my Godwin for Sammy and MVS.

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

My team is good. It's not the best team in the league. I would say top 3 for sure

It's not a SF.

The last 4 years I finished 1st, 1st, 5th, 2nd.

I know I'm in the minority on Murray, but what if he ends up like Mahomes? Would you trade that for Mahomes?

this is new dynasty player logic, not someone who has played for 5 years logic. you should know by now that you dont trade for guys hoping they are the next barkley or mahomes and value them at that level when doing so... otherwise every pick is just as valuable cuz it could turn into the next star.

I get what everyone is saying here. If Murray turns out to be just good, it wasn't worth it. He needs to be a superstar. If Mahomes does repeat last year's numbers though, he is worth it. Most everyone is betting Mahomes will not repeat, which history is on the side of. I think he comes close to repeating, and if Murray is as good as I believe, he will have another sizeable advantage at the position for me. Plus, he ages better than a rb.

If Mahomes has another year like last year and it works for the Chiefs, I think we'll see a massive shift in offensive philosophy to pass heavy systems, which will raise the average QB scoring and make it less of a pronounced gap. The main difference between Mahomes and other top QBs is Andy Reid letting Mahomes rip it, not Mahomes' (significant) talent. Coaching philosophies get copied fast when they work in the NFL.

That said, I think the trade is close if you were getting Mahomes.

[CAMVP]

I'd trade Sammy and MVS for Godwin... To each their own

Yeah I'm good with this one, too

Me too, I wouldn't trade my Godwin for Sammy and MVS.

Has the love for Godwin really moved this far?? Or what am I missing here?? Sammy is the #2 WR in the best offense in football. MVS has the potential to be the #2 WR in a top 5 offense. On the other side you have the #2 WR in at best a top 10 offense? and the 4th WR in GB?? Just looking for some clarification here.

[briank]

I get what everyone is saying here. If Murray turns out to be just good, it wasn't worth it. He needs to be a superstar. If Mahomes does repeat last year's numbers though, he is worth it. Most everyone is betting Mahomes will not repeat, which history is on the side of. I think he comes close to repeating, and if Murray is as good as I believe, he will have another sizeable advantage at the position for me. Plus, he ages better than a rb.

He needs to be a star for you to break even at best. That’s an awful bet to make.

A first round pick is no guarantee for success. You are acting like I gave up guaranteed studs for Murray. Every pick is a gamble, and Freeman is a long way from being a lock. He also doesn't catch many passes which hurts in ppr. If Murray is throwing for quite a few tds and running a lot, it's going to make him very valuable in 4 td passes.

No one is a guarantee for success. What I'm saying is that 2020 1st alone is more valuable than Murray in a 1 QB league. Murray needs to turn into a super star for that trade to work out for you. Even then, it's not a big win. It is much more likely that the 2020 1st turns into an every day starter than Murray a super star. That's the difference. An average starter carries more value than the best QB in 1 QB leagues. You gave up significant value for a lottery ticket. If you like it, great. I'm all for getting your guy, but you gave up way too much in terms of value.