Cutting retired players

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Cutting retired players

Postby Csl312 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:10 am

I have had the fortune to have Jordy and Doug Baldwin for a good number of seasons, but now they have both retired. I don't have much hope at all that either will return but for some reason it's tough to hit that drop player button "just in case". Does anyone else hesitate to drop recently retired players? Am I just crazy? Obviously come cut down time I'll need to make the roster limit and these guys should be at the top of the chopping block, but that day is soon for us!

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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby FuzzySignificance » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:22 am

I have no problem cutting them in all but the deepest leagues. The opportunity cost of clogging up a roster spot is much greater than the potential value either of them would provide.
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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyuj » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:35 am

I think it varies. I'd have no problems cutting Jordy due to his age and lack of production recently and Baldwin due to his retirement being mostly due to health.

The more difficult ones are those players that could arguably still dominate, or at least compete if they were to come back. I don't know how long Megatron was held in all of my leagues, but it was years..

and for a more recent example I'm having a tough time cutting Gronk in my te premium. I don't think he will come back, but if he does he'll immediately be a high te2 or low te1 value wise. It's tough man. In general though just biting the bullet and picking up a young lottery ticket is probably the correct move.
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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby Paul717 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:42 am

Not a horrible idea in some cases to hold until roster cut down day. Then, if someone really wants that player, they have to burn a draft pick on him.
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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby sloth8u » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:32 am

Through the years, ive found that if a fantasy player isnt even on an nfl team.....he really doesn't need to be on my rosters.

Its hard to hit the button but your going to have to do it sooner or later. The earlier you figure that out in this game, the better off you are.

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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby ArrylT » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:58 am

As with a lot of decisions it will be up to each owners risk assessment & roster space. For every Jason Witten & Marshawn Lynch who came back - there will always be a Calvin Johnson that people will hold onto. To me it is not much different than those last spots on your roster that you may save to churn UDFAs or unlikely rookies that may pan out.

To me if you feel the player has any chance of returning, and being useful to your team, then it makes sense to keep him 'just in case'. If it is a guy who is retiring that you feel is done - then a year off may not be likely to change that.

https://forum.dynastyleaguefootball.com ... 5&t=158547

Thread on how owners feel about having players retire on their fantasy team.
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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby Ahwatukee Brewer » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:27 am

We allow the owner of the retired player to own his rights if he comes back within 365 days.
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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby Pet_Smith » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:52 am

Cut before your rookie draft, and hope someone else burns a pick and roster spot on them.

It's tough though - had to do it with Gronk and Baldwin this year, but felt quite cathartic once I'd hit the button
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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby ericanadian » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:08 pm

Only guy I had to cut in his prime was Aaron Hernandez. Was pretty easy...
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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby Cameron Giles » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:31 pm

Just drop them. Even if they come back, they're probably not going to play at a high level or be worth much.

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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby GregOfTheDead » Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:47 am

I can relate to this. I had Marshawn Lynch for a bit during his retirement and go figure he came back a few months after dumping him. But outside of this rare exception it doesn't happen too much. In my league cut guys can be picked up on waivers but as noted above if it causes someone to burn a pick on them if they want to take a stab? Drop! Drop anyway tbh.
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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:57 pm

Cameron Giles wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:31 pm
Just drop them. Even if they come back, they're probably not going to play at a high level or be worth much.
Exactly how I feel. And most of the time, they don't ever come back. Why hold that roster spot hostage on a wing and a prayer?
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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby John Paul » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:33 am

I'm in that current situation with Gronk, and yes, I have seen the recent pictures.
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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby Pew Dogs » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:28 am

assLive's Andrew Callahan reports Rob Gronkowski participated in a private workout with Tom Brady this week.
Gronk is not the first ex-teammate to participate in an offseason throwing session with Brady, but this workout adds fuel to the un-retirement fire. For his part, Gronkowski has continued to insist he is officially done and has lost around 20 pounds since hanging up his cleats, but he also told Rich Eisen he is not sure how he will feel "when the games start rolling around." Until he actually sits out the season, rumors about a return will persist.

SOURCE: MassLive
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Re: Cutting retired players

Postby Csl312 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:46 am

I think it would be tough to cut gronk just yet. In the end it wasn't too hard to cut jordy and Baldwin, but I always think it's a little tough when a guy first retires in case they could come back and be somewhat productive.


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