And here I thought he was a visionary but it turns out his vision is supposedly 20/50 . Or are you saying he already knows the draft class for 2050 Now that would be legendary & historical , if not hysterical {much like the Conner/ Samuels debate}djeternal2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:06 pmCC is still putting chisel to stone tablet. His contrarian picks will be in around 2050.
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Fair enough - it is quite possible I misunderstood your context. I thought you meant it like that because he wasnt around come playoff time that his value was in part overrated and then of course your belief his value will fade sooner than later just reinforced it as being overrated.bjd5211 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:07 pm I'm not "punishing" him for missing the playoffs, I was never a big fan of his to begin with even when he was healthy and playing well.
As for the player comparisons I wasn't so much comparing their playing styles and abilities, but more so that they were average RBs that performed well early and soon faded away to irrelevance and I see Conner doing the same.
One of the most challenging things with dynasty football is we sometimes have to make decisions with much less data / information / tape that we do with other sports like baseball, hockey or football. So like I said, I have no issue with your perspective. It is a risk you have to take due to the short time frame we deal with. By the time some players are proven to be elite in the eyes of many - they may already be reaching peak value or passing it (ie if your career is only 7-8 years and you need 2-3 of those years to convince owners of their value).
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..
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I prefer the term Double penetration contrarionpvillebiker wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:51 amreally? Hope you're right as I happen to have a few shares of Samules, mostly from last year's run.dmac37 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:33 pm Devonta Freeman finishes as a top 6 RB in PPR this season
Jax Jags become more balanced with BDN Foles replacing Bortles & the Jags defense returns to 2017 form and they go to the super bowl
Aaron Rodgers bounces back and is still the top QB in NFL and FF
Jaylen Samuels is the RB to own by the end of the year in Pittsburgh
Is this a statement that Connor won't stay healthy or a double-deep contrarian that Jaylen outplays Conner for the starting gig?
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I’m on the other side of the fence here with Conner. His situation is ideal. The real level of compitetion for touches is minimal. He is a true three down work horse with great work ethic, clean off the field with little to no baggage, has his coaching staff and qb in his corner, has a nose for the end zone, and they are poised to run the ball more than last year. Last year the Steelers passed the ball 675 times and ran it 300 times. I fully expect those numbers to trend more toward a balanced approach and the player that will benifit from that will be James Conner. My contrarion take here is that if healthy, J.Conner (who just turned 24 years old) finishes as a top 8 fantasy producing Rb.
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Considering he was RB6 in 2018 with 13 games, that seems like a very solid projection (assuming similar volume).
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Add another risk to David Johnson this year. His 1.05 price tag assumes he's going to be the volume bellcow that he was under Arians. There's so much up in the air with his situation and people are assuming the best.
Add another risk to David Johnson this year. His 1.05 price tag assumes he's going to be the volume bellcow that he was under Arians. There's so much up in the air with his situation and people are assuming the best.
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Where is he going 1.05? There's no way anyone takes him over Saquon, Zeke, CMC or Kamara and that's just at RB. Is anyone taking him over Nuk, OBJ, Adams or MT?Lord_Varys wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am https://twitter.com/notJDaigle/status/1 ... 1059284993
Add another risk to David Johnson this year. His 1.05 price tag assumes he's going to be the volume bellcow that he was under Arians. There's so much up in the air with his situation and people are assuming the best.
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I think he means redraft? Guys like Sigmund Bloom are hyping him hard. Bloom is currently erecting a pyramid in honor of Kyler and Kliff, though.bjd5211 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:18 amWhere is he going 1.05? There's no way anyone takes him over Saquon, Zeke, CMC or Kamara and that's just at RB. Is anyone taking him over Nuk, OBJ, Adams or MT?Lord_Varys wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am https://twitter.com/notJDaigle/status/1 ... 1059284993
Add another risk to David Johnson this year. His 1.05 price tag assumes he's going to be the volume bellcow that he was under Arians. There's so much up in the air with his situation and people are assuming the best.
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I got him at 1.05 in my first bestball and felt like I died and went to heaven. I don't think people understand just how much the QB and coaching hurt him last season. What was that ridiculous stat, the one where they ran DJ up the middle like 80 more times than any other running back?FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 amI think he means redraft? Guys like Sigmund Bloom are hyping him hard. Bloom in currently erecting a pyramid in honor of Kyler and Kliff, though.bjd5211 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:18 amWhere is he going 1.05? There's no way anyone takes him over Saquon, Zeke, CMC or Kamara and that's just at RB. Is anyone taking him over Nuk, OBJ, Adams or MT?Lord_Varys wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am https://twitter.com/notJDaigle/status/1 ... 1059284993
Add another risk to David Johnson this year. His 1.05 price tag assumes he's going to be the volume bellcow that he was under Arians. There's so much up in the air with his situation and people are assuming the best.
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Yea, some people are taking him over Gordon, Nuk, Davante right after the big 4. It's not even that crazy, he's already shown the ability to be the RB1 and while he's 27 he has very little tread on his tires; and there is a massive premium on winning now placed on most Dynasty startups.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:37 amI got him at 1.05 in my first bestball and felt like I died and went to heaven. I don't think people understand just how much the QB and coaching hurt him last season. What was that ridiculous stat, the one where they ran DJ up the middle like 80 more times than any other running back?FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 amI think he means redraft? Guys like Sigmund Bloom are hyping him hard. Bloom in currently erecting a pyramid in honor of Kyler and Kliff, though.
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He went 1.09 before Hopkins, OBJ, and Thomas. I was quite surprised as I had 1.10 and was happy to take Hopkins.bjd5211 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:18 amWhere is he going 1.05? There's no way anyone takes him over Saquon, Zeke, CMC or Kamara and that's just at RB. Is anyone taking him over Nuk, OBJ, Adams or MT?Lord_Varys wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:13 am https://twitter.com/notJDaigle/status/1 ... 1059284993
Add another risk to David Johnson this year. His 1.05 price tag assumes he's going to be the volume bellcow that he was under Arians. There's so much up in the air with his situation and people are assuming the best.
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Team 1- 3rd in 2023
QB: Herbert, B. Purdy, Fields
RB: Bijan, Barkley, Akers, Dobbins
WR: T. Hill, D. Johnson, JSN, Doubs, Meyers, Thomas, Toney
TE: Andrews, Likely, Dulcic
2024: 1.01, 1.07
2025: 1, 2, 2
2019 Startup
Team 2- 4th in 2023
QB: Murray, Cousins, Wilson
RB: Bijan, Kamara, Dobbins, Rodriguez
WR: Chase, G. Wilson, D. Adams, Di. Johnson, M. Wilson, W. Robinson, R. Rice
TE: McBride, Pitts, Kmet, Likely
2024: 1.01, 1.06, 1.08, 2.09
2025: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3
2021 Startup
Team 3- 11th in 2023
QB: Goff, Watson, Cousins, Levis, Rodgers, Young
RB: Gibbs, Pacheco, Dobbins
WR: Chase, J. Jefferson, JSN, Palmer, Mooney, Tillman
TE: Schultz, Pitts, Likely, Okonkwo
2024: 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 2.03, 2.06, 2.07, 2.10, 3.03, 3.06, 3.08
2025: 1, 2, 3
2013 Startup
Team 1- 3rd in 2023
QB: Herbert, B. Purdy, Fields
RB: Bijan, Barkley, Akers, Dobbins
WR: T. Hill, D. Johnson, JSN, Doubs, Meyers, Thomas, Toney
TE: Andrews, Likely, Dulcic
2024: 1.01, 1.07
2025: 1, 2, 2
2019 Startup
Team 2- 4th in 2023
QB: Murray, Cousins, Wilson
RB: Bijan, Kamara, Dobbins, Rodriguez
WR: Chase, G. Wilson, D. Adams, Di. Johnson, M. Wilson, W. Robinson, R. Rice
TE: McBride, Pitts, Kmet, Likely
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2025: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3
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QB: Goff, Watson, Cousins, Levis, Rodgers, Young
RB: Gibbs, Pacheco, Dobbins
WR: Chase, J. Jefferson, JSN, Palmer, Mooney, Tillman
TE: Schultz, Pitts, Likely, Okonkwo
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Sorry, folks, I was talking about redraft/bestball...forget this is a dynasty forum sometimes cuz I'm a dolt.
Assuming health, 1.05 is about his ceiling. I think you got a little too happy there. No way he outscores a healthy Zeke, Saquon, or Kamara.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:37 amI got him at 1.05 in my first bestball and felt like I died and went to heaven. I don't think people understand just how much the QB and coaching hurt him last season. What was that ridiculous stat, the one where they ran DJ up the middle like 80 more times than any other running back?FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 amI think he means redraft? Guys like Sigmund Bloom are hyping him hard. Bloom in currently erecting a pyramid in honor of Kyler and Kliff, though.
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Neither Zeke, Saquon, or Kamara have come close to his 2016 season output. And they're certainly not still up at the 1.05Lord_Varys wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:53 am Sorry, folks, I was talking about redraft/bestball...forget this is a dynasty forum sometimes cuz I'm a dolt.
Assuming health, 1.05 is about his ceiling. I think you got a little too happy there. No way he outscores a healthy Zeke, Saquon, or Kamara.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:37 amI got him at 1.05 in my first bestball and felt like I died and went to heaven. I don't think people understand just how much the QB and coaching hurt him last season. What was that ridiculous stat, the one where they ran DJ up the middle like 80 more times than any other running back?FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:31 am
I think he means redraft? Guys like Sigmund Bloom are hyping him hard. Bloom in currently erecting a pyramid in honor of Kyler and Kliff, though.
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DJ isn't getting close to 2016 again either
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