Fant and Hock are BOTH generational talent?!? Wow, I haven't heard that anywhere. If these guys had a .001% chance at being a generational talent, why are they not the slam dunk 1.01 and 1.02 rookie picks?
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"Generational Talent" might be a bit strong, but if anyone in this draft is considered the best in the league at their position 5 years from now it's going to be Hock and/or Fant.
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Kind of misrepresenting a bit here, no? He said there is a "constant drumbeat from another segment (of people) that Gurley is a bust."
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I guess I have a strange sense of humor.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:28 amKind of misrepresenting a bit here, no? He said there is a "constant drumbeat from another segment (of people) that Gurley is a bust."
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Hock could be great. I don't see it with Fant.
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This was a helpful exercise. I knew that some were high on him prior to the Gurley news, and I attributed that mostly to his gaudy YPC and a generally weak RB class. Setting those feelings aside it made me pause to think that Henderson was generally viewed as a top 10 prospect prior to the draft. Considering the uncertainty in that offense, 1.06 does seem more "reasonable" or maybe rather "the price to play."ArrylT wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:41 am .Before NFL landings were known Hendersons ADP in Mocks was ranging from 80-90. It immediately dropped 20 spots in May, due to his landing spot (ie perceived as being blocked) but now it is at 70 and trending upward fast. Lets repeat that for a second.
His pre-draft ADP was already top 100.
http://www.mizelle.net/mfl/2019/
He was one of only 7 2019 Rookie players whose ADP on Mizelle was constantly above 100 for the Feb-April pre-draft mock period.
That suggests there was a healthy segment of the dynasty community that was high on Henderson even before his landing spot & draft pedigree was known (3rd round for RBs is pretty solid).
I won't be investing at that level and when it's all said and done I think the biggest winners of this saga will be those who get AJ Brown at 1.07-1.08 because a player like Henderson caused him to fall.
10 Team Half PPR Scoring SF
QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
TE: Kelce, J. Smith, Musgrave
QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
TE: Kelce, J. Smith, Musgrave
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The top RB prospects from this class cycle between Josh Jacobs, Miles Sanders, and Darrell Henderson depending on who you ask (perhaps there are some Singletary/Montgomery truthers out there, but they're not as loud). The people that think Henderson's value is entirely tied to Gurley are mistaken; he's a pretty exciting prospect in his own right. He's literally the most efficient RB in NCAA history; lower competition or not-- that's impressive. Even if he plays a complementary role to Gurley this season, his floor is closer to flex than his ceiling. His ceiling is Kamara.jcc6fd wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:56 amThis was a helpful exercise. I knew that some were high on him prior to the Gurley news, and I attributed that mostly to his gaudy YPC and a generally weak RB class. Setting those feelings aside it made me pause to think that Henderson was generally viewed as a top 10 prospect prior to the draft. Considering the uncertainty in that offense, 1.06 does seem more "reasonable" or maybe rather "the price to play."ArrylT wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:41 am .Before NFL landings were known Hendersons ADP in Mocks was ranging from 80-90. It immediately dropped 20 spots in May, due to his landing spot (ie perceived as being blocked) but now it is at 70 and trending upward fast. Lets repeat that for a second.
His pre-draft ADP was already top 100.
http://www.mizelle.net/mfl/2019/
He was one of only 7 2019 Rookie players whose ADP on Mizelle was constantly above 100 for the Feb-April pre-draft mock period.
That suggests there was a healthy segment of the dynasty community that was high on Henderson even before his landing spot & draft pedigree was known (3rd round for RBs is pretty solid).
I won't be investing at that level and when it's all said and done I think the biggest winners of this saga will be those who get AJ Brown at 1.07-1.08 because a player like Henderson caused him to fall.
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I'm reluctant to even talk about JJAW. I love his ADP...
Was Kittle picked there in his rookie-draft?
Kelce? Graham? Ertz? Gronk?
TEs are never picked that high because TEs in 1TE leagues just aren't sexy picks. I got Kelce in the middle of the 2nd round in his fairly weak rookie-draft class. I think Kittle went like round 4-6 in his (or even undrafted).
For the record: I disagree that Fant is a generational prospect -- he's too raw to be considered such. Hock, though...
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My apologies. I missed it. I was pretty tired.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:58 amI guess I have a strange sense of humor.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:28 amKind of misrepresenting a bit here, no? He said there is a "constant drumbeat from another segment (of people) that Gurley is a bust."
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Yes my initial post was a little on the long side so I can see how it made you tired.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:41 pmMy apologies. I missed it. I was pretty tired.Dynasty DeLorean wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:58 amI guess I have a strange sense of humor.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:28 am
Kind of misrepresenting a bit here, no? He said there is a "constant drumbeat from another segment (of people) that Gurley is a bust."
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..
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Yeah I suppose so
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Because moat people play 1TR non-TE premium.bjd5211 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:18 am"Generational Talent" might be a bit strong, but if anyone in this draft is considered the best in the league at their position 5 years from now it's going to be Hock and/or Fant.
Hock is going 1.1 in a lot of start 2 TE leagues.
QB - DWatson(HOU)Minshew(JAX)Darnold(NYJ)
RB -NChubb(CLE)DHenry(TEN)JTaylor(IND)Gurley(ATL)
WR -DHopkins(ARI)ACooper(DAL)CGodwin(TB)OBJ(CLE)
TE - HHenry(SD)DGoeddart(PHI)
K - Zurlien(LAR)Crosby(GB)
Def - ARI DAL
[rookie] Haskins(WAS)DSwift(DET)Jefferson(MIN)MHardman(KC)
7th pick in 2021
Rosters must always be 3qbs 4wrs 4rbs 2tes 2kickers 2dst and protected players don't take up a roster spot, but are only for rookie/2nd-year players that were drafted
RB -NChubb(CLE)DHenry(TEN)JTaylor(IND)Gurley(ATL)
WR -DHopkins(ARI)ACooper(DAL)CGodwin(TB)OBJ(CLE)
TE - HHenry(SD)DGoeddart(PHI)
K - Zurlien(LAR)Crosby(GB)
Def - ARI DAL
[rookie] Haskins(WAS)DSwift(DET)Jefferson(MIN)MHardman(KC)
7th pick in 2021
Rosters must always be 3qbs 4wrs 4rbs 2tes 2kickers 2dst and protected players don't take up a roster spot, but are only for rookie/2nd-year players that were drafted
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Hock is the best TE prospect since..... OJ Howard. Wouldn't say he's generational (unless you want to say both are generational talents-- which I might agree with) but he's a truly elite prospect in a draft with a whole lot of question marks walking into a great situation. He's probably being undervalued even in most 1 TE leagues.MrUbuto wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:39 amBecause moat people play 1TR non-TE premium.
Hock is going 1.1 in a lot of start 2 TE leagues.
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Ya 2TE League Hock is a strong 1.01 rookie pick and I wouldn't bat an eye a Fant going 1.02. If it's 2TE + TE Premium they are absolutely my top 2 picks unless it's 2QB as well.
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