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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby ericanadian » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:28 pm

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Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:07 pm
Ross' 40 time was a fabrication. I'm not sure what the NFL was trying to accomplish by pushing his time faster than it actually was, but it fooled the Bengals into drafting him. He is a terrible receiver. If you're only real talent is running fast in a straight line, you do not belong in the NFL. There is so much more to the game than that.
That’s some lazy commentary right there. Ross was not just a straight line guy in college. His YPR was 14.2 in his final year. That’s not a situational deep threat.
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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby Sriracha » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:33 pm

ericanadian wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:28 pm
TheNuts wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:07 pm
Ross' 40 time was a fabrication. I'm not sure what the NFL was trying to accomplish by pushing his time faster than it actually was, but it fooled the Bengals into drafting him. He is a terrible receiver. If you're only real talent is running fast in a straight line, you do not belong in the NFL. There is so much more to the game than that.
That’s some lazy commentary right there. Ross was not just a straight line guy in college. His YPR was 14.2 in his final year. That’s not a situational deep threat.
100% agree, Ross showed a complete skillset at UW.. all of these "he's just a fast guy" narratives are clouded by hindsight bias.

If Ross has 0 reports of hamstring issues this off-season, I'm going to be buying him everywhere.

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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby TheNuts » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:55 pm

ericanadian wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:28 pm
TheNuts wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:07 pm
Ross' 40 time was a fabrication. I'm not sure what the NFL was trying to accomplish by pushing his time faster than it actually was, but it fooled the Bengals into drafting him. He is a terrible receiver. If you're only real talent is running fast in a straight line, you do not belong in the NFL. There is so much more to the game than that.
That’s some lazy commentary right there. Ross was not just a straight line guy in college. His YPR was 14.2 in his final year. That’s not a situational deep threat.
That's why he has looked so competent thus far in the NFL.
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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby blemly » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:57 pm

IZigUZag wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:33 pm
ericanadian wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:28 pm
TheNuts wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:07 pm
Ross' 40 time was a fabrication. I'm not sure what the NFL was trying to accomplish by pushing his time faster than it actually was, but it fooled the Bengals into drafting him. He is a terrible receiver. If you're only real talent is running fast in a straight line, you do not belong in the NFL. There is so much more to the game than that.
That’s some lazy commentary right there. Ross was not just a straight line guy in college. His YPR was 14.2 in his final year. That’s not a situational deep threat.
100% agree, Ross showed a complete skillset at UW.. all of these "he's just a fast guy" narratives are clouded by hindsight bias.

If Ross has 0 reports of hamstring issues this off-season, I'm going to be buying him everywhere.
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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby Phaded » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:59 pm

TheNuts wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:55 pm
ericanadian wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:28 pm
TheNuts wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:07 pm
Ross' 40 time was a fabrication. I'm not sure what the NFL was trying to accomplish by pushing his time faster than it actually was, but it fooled the Bengals into drafting him. He is a terrible receiver. If you're only real talent is running fast in a straight line, you do not belong in the NFL. There is so much more to the game than that.
That’s some lazy commentary right there. Ross was not just a straight line guy in college. His YPR was 14.2 in his final year. That’s not a situational deep threat.
That's why he has looked so competent thus far in the NFL.
Just to play devil's advocate..

He DID have seven touchdowns in what was basically his rookie playing year last season.

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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby Sriracha » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:00 pm

blemly wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:57 pm
IZigUZag wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:33 pm
ericanadian wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:28 pm


That’s some lazy commentary right there. Ross was not just a straight line guy in college. His YPR was 14.2 in his final year. That’s not a situational deep threat.
100% agree, Ross showed a complete skillset at UW.. all of these "he's just a fast guy" narratives are clouded by hindsight bias.

If Ross has 0 reports of hamstring issues this off-season, I'm going to be buying him everywhere.
I own him and if you had a late 3rd for me I’d be accepting that in a heartbeat.
I'd already own Ross then if I was in your league. :D

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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby ninotoreS » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:53 pm

I facepalm every time I see someone whinge about Ross being 'just a straight-line guy', or whatever -- it's practically announcing on loudspeaker that you're someone who's only done a cursory examination of the player and made lazy, stereotypical assumptions. That, in fact, has never been what Ross has been best at, at literally any point since he converted to WR at Washington; Ross scored more than half of his 17 TDs his final collegiate year from inside the red-zone. And it was the only thing he did well for Cincy last season.

Ross has a Beckham level of athleticism. Don't laugh. It's just true. it's why he gets open easily at the goal-line: he's as quick and explosive as he is fast. "Phone-booth quicks", I think I've heard it termed.

But unfortunately for Ross, there's more to being a great NFL WR than athleticism. His soft-tissues seem to be as durable as bubblegum, and he's dropping too many catchable targets. If they persist, these are fatal flaws.

Like every pundit is saying, this year is make or break for Ross in the NFL. He needs to show he can stay off the trainer's table, and he needs to improve his catch-rate. Personally, I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:20 pm

TheNuts wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:07 pm
Ross' 40 time was a fabrication. I'm not sure what the NFL was trying to accomplish by pushing his time faster than it actually was, but it fooled the Bengals into drafting him. He is a terrible receiver. If you're only real talent is running fast in a straight line, you do not belong in the NFL. There is so much more to the game than that.
Sources? Is there any credibility to this statement? This is pretty outlandish.

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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby TheNuts » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:31 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:20 pm
TheNuts wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:07 pm
Ross' 40 time was a fabrication. I'm not sure what the NFL was trying to accomplish by pushing his time faster than it actually was, but it fooled the Bengals into drafting him. He is a terrible receiver. If you're only real talent is running fast in a straight line, you do not belong in the NFL. There is so much more to the game than that.
Sources? Is there any credibility to this statement? This is pretty outlandish.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ftw.usatod ... action/amp

He went in the 16th round of my current startup. I can't find a good video at the moment of the side by side.

He hasn't looked like a legit receiver yet in the NFL. It's easy to take advantage of college players when you are fast as hell. It doesn't mean nearly as much in the pros.
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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby ericanadian » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:06 pm

TheNuts wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:31 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:20 pm
TheNuts wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:07 pm
Ross' 40 time was a fabrication. I'm not sure what the NFL was trying to accomplish by pushing his time faster than it actually was, but it fooled the Bengals into drafting him. He is a terrible receiver. If you're only real talent is running fast in a straight line, you do not belong in the NFL. There is so much more to the game than that.
Sources? Is there any credibility to this statement? This is pretty outlandish.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ftw.usatod ... action/amp

He went in the 16th round of my current startup. I can't find a good video at the moment of the side by side.

He hasn't looked like a legit receiver yet in the NFL. It's easy to take advantage of college players when you are fast as hell. It doesn't mean nearly as much in the pros.
It’s probably worth noting that Chris Johnson didn’t run a 4.24 either. The splits on Usain Bolt’s record 100 meter put him at around a 4.65 at the 40 meter mark. A meter is roughly 10% longer, so theoretically you can chop about 0.4 off and that would put Bolt between 4.2 & 4.25. That said, CJ2K was damn fast and even if you believe Ross was a tick slower, I don’t really get the relevance. How does the difference between being the fastest of all time and maybe top five fastest have any impact on actual football?
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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:12 pm

TheNuts wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:31 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:20 pm
TheNuts wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:07 pm
Ross' 40 time was a fabrication. I'm not sure what the NFL was trying to accomplish by pushing his time faster than it actually was, but it fooled the Bengals into drafting him. He is a terrible receiver. If you're only real talent is running fast in a straight line, you do not belong in the NFL. There is so much more to the game than that.
Sources? Is there any credibility to this statement? This is pretty outlandish.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ftw.usatod ... action/amp

He went in the 16th round of my current startup. I can't find a good video at the moment of the side by side.

He hasn't looked like a legit receiver yet in the NFL. It's easy to take advantage of college players when you are fast as hell. It doesn't mean nearly as much in the pros.
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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby TheNuts » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:17 pm

ericanadian wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:06 pm
TheNuts wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:31 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:20 pm


Sources? Is there any credibility to this statement? This is pretty outlandish.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ftw.usatod ... action/amp

He went in the 16th round of my current startup. I can't find a good video at the moment of the side by side.

He hasn't looked like a legit receiver yet in the NFL. It's easy to take advantage of college players when you are fast as hell. It doesn't mean nearly as much in the pros.
It’s probably worth noting that Chris Johnson didn’t run a 4.24 either. The splits on Usain Bolt’s record 100 meter put him at around a 4.65 at the 40 meter mark. A meter is roughly 10% longer, so theoretically you can chop about 0.4 off and that would put Bolt between 4.2 & 4.25. That said, CJ2K was damn fast and even if you believe Ross was a tick slower, I don’t really get the relevance. How does the difference between being the fastest of all time and maybe top five fastest have any impact on actual football?
Because Ross' draft stock rose even more simply because he broke the record imo.
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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby Sriracha » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:26 pm

I'm just going to point out that combine 40's all retroactively have their times changed to account for when the player first starts moving.

It's possible that the discrepancy is simply due to Johnson starting quicker after the signal.

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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby jman3134 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:45 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:20 pm
jman3134 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:00 am
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:13 am
This is about last year. Heard Ronald Jones was clubbing, smoking dope and eating cheeseburgers before camp, because he was overly cocky about how good he was and the effort he had to put in.
Don't believe you without receipts aka pics. Prove it
No pics, sorry. Heard it from Nelson Sousa, a high stakes best ball guy who does podcasts etc. He got that info from a source which he will not name, last year, and stayed away from Jones, who he actually liked coming out of college.
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Re: Minicamp rumblings/standouts

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:59 pm

jman3134 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:45 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:20 pm
jman3134 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:00 am


Don't believe you without receipts aka pics. Prove it
No pics, sorry. Heard it from Nelson Sousa, a high stakes best ball guy who does podcasts etc. He got that info from a source which he will not name, last year, and stayed away from Jones, who he actually liked coming out of college.
Just my sense of humor. Was hoping for a good photoshop job.
LOL. No worries. I wish I knew how to use photoshop.


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