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Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby Jcedwards » Wed May 29, 2019 6:27 am

Would you say it is ever too early to trade for picks that are 2+ years away?

I have an offer of a 2021 2nd (won't list the offer, because this isn't the team advice thread), but I am just wondering if it is worth pursuing even though 2021 isn't for 2 more years. I wanted to get the general consensus on if people trade for picks for just the current/ upcoming year or if you pursue offers with picks that are 2+ years away.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Minshew / Carr / Winston
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Aaron Jones / Mixon / Akers / Lat Murray
WR- M Thomas / Cooper / OBJ / Diontae Johnson / Patrick / Jeffrey
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Schultz
D/ST- Bills / Bears / Dolphins
K- Butker

IR- Sutton

Taxi- Pollard / Dillon / Pittman / Van Jefferson / Gabe Davis / Harrison Bryant

Picks- 2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
2022: 1st, 2nd, 3rd

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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby Pac_Eddy » Wed May 29, 2019 6:31 am

I'd have no issue with it. I assume you're getting a pretty good deal though.

Most of my leagues only allow a max of two years ahead, but if I had a player that I really wanted to sell, I'd happily take a 2021 pick.
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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby moishetreats » Wed May 29, 2019 6:42 am

Always happy to get future picks!! Those are assets that will never depreciate!
www.fantasyfootballforever.com - SF/2QB website

10 tms 27 plrs PPR
Start: 2QB 2RB 3WR 2TE 2Flex

QB: Wilson, Wentz, Rodgers, Love
RB: Mixon, Gurley, Montgomery, Dillon, Moss, Armstead
WR: Hill, Cooper, Lockett, Hilton, Anderson, Lazard, Arcega-Whiteside, Sims, Ward, Renfrow
TE: Kelce, Goedert, Jarwin, Sternberger, K Smith, Arnold, L Thomas

2021: 2ndx3, 3rdx2, 4thx2, 5th
2022: 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th



12 tms 22 plyrs {IR} [Taxi]. Salary Cap $300 PPR
Start: 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1SF 1Flex/ best ball

QB: Stafford ($36 through 2022), Brady (43), Rodgers (28/21), Garappolo (5/20), Winston (3/24), K Allen (1/20) [Morgan (1/24), Luton (1/24), Gordon (1/24)]
RB: Mixon (29/23), Gurley (5/20), Dillon (12/24), Z Moss (10/24), Hines (1/20), Snell (1/20) [Perine (2/22)]
WR: Adams (31/22), Cooper (28/20), Kupp (3/21), AJ Brown (7/23), R Anderson (3/21), Ward (1/20)
TE: Kelce (28/21), Ertz (22/21), Goedert (8/22)
Total+dead cap hits $286

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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby sloth8u » Wed May 29, 2019 6:47 am

some guys just don't carry much value amongst league mates. if future picks a long way out is all you can get....id take it.

love the topic. I don't think most realize how trading multi years out can impact a league or the way that you can run your team.

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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby grandmabetty » Wed May 29, 2019 7:34 am

As another mentioned those dont depreciate. I often make moves involving picks 2 years away because short sighted owners are eager to give them up only worrying about helping their team now. This allows me to get better value in some cases. The flip side of that coin though is that I need to wait 2 years to cash in on the trade.
ppr, 10 team, 6 pt all td, 40 man roster QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, 2 Flex (r/w/t), K, IDP
Qb- Kyler Murray, cousins, Roethlisberger
RB- Melvin Gordon, Kamara, CMC, Mark Ingram, james white, Gus Edwards, Justin Jackson, Bryce Love
WR- Mike Evans, tyreek hill, Davante Adams, Juju Smith-Shuster,Tyler Boyd, Paris Campbell, Hollywood brown, Perriman, Steve sims jr
TE- kelce, Greg Olsen, Tyler Higbee, jarwin
DT - Chris Jones
DE - Demarcus Lawrence, Chandler Jones
LB - Blake Martinez, Bobby Wagner, Todd Davis, nick kwiatkoski, danny travatheon
CB - NONE
S - Landon Collins, John Johnson III, Antoine Bethea, eric reid

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2019 champ

2020 1st rd (0)
2020 2nd rd (0)
2020 3rd (0)
2020 4th (0)
2020 5th (1)

2021 1st (3)
2021 2nd (2)
2021 3rd (1)
2021 4th (1)
2021 5th (1)

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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby Jigga94 » Wed May 29, 2019 7:38 am

moishetreats wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:42 am
Always happy to get future picks!! Those are assets that will never depreciate!
This. I love doing it with competitive teams who are buyers as well. That team could always flip in 2 years and all of a sudden you have a really good pick.

Best way to do this is if your team is REALLY good and you are getting rid of expendable assets. Or if you are getting a really good value for a rebuild.

I don't like trading for picks far out if my team is middle of the road or if it's only fair value in a rebuild because that guarantees a prolonged rebuild
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - [b]14 Keepers[/b]
QB: Mahomes, J. Allen, D. Jones, Baker
RB: JT, Mostert, Dillon, Gaskin, McFarland, Jeff Wilson, Mattison, Pollard, Damien (IR)
WR: Tyreek, DJM, Jeudy, Hollywood, Cooks, Preston, Cole, G. Davis, Parris (IR), Mims (IR)
TE: Andrews, Henry, Fant
2021: 1, 2, 3

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - [b]20 Keepers[/b]
QB: Mahomes, Ryan, Minshew, Hurts
RB: CMC (IR), Saquon (IR), Jacobs, Dobbins, Hunt, M. Davis, McFarland, Penny, Cohen
WR: DJM, Chark, Ruggs, Hardman, Mike Will, Lazard (IR), C. Davis, G. Davis, Washington, Parris (IR)
TE: Andrews, Henry, Gesicki, Irv, Tonyan
2021: 2, 3, 3
2022: 1, 2, 3, 3

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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby BeeziBad » Wed May 29, 2019 7:38 am

moishetreats wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:42 am
Always happy to get future picks!! Those are assets that will never depreciate!
They depreciate when you come across a draft class like this year's.

I may be the minority but I hate planning that far ahead. I'm extremely against 'rebuilds' unless it takes me a single off season to do. I never rebuild, i'm always about winning now and 2055 picks do nothing to help my cause.
The Mega Powers - 12Team - 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/2FLEX/1K - 1PPR
QB - R. Tannehill, T. Bridgewater
RB - J. Taylor, JK Dobbins, C. Akers, Z. Moss, R. Jones, R. Armstead, M. Davis, C. Edmonds
WR - J. Jeudy, H. Ruggs, T. Higgins, L. Shenault, C. Claypool, J. Reagor, C. Davis, J. Washington, B. Aiyuk, Q. Cephus, KJ Hamler, A. Lazard
TE - C. Herndon, D. Sample
Picks - 2021 - 1, 1, 1

Jabroni Beaters - 10Team - 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/2FLEX/1K - NONPPR
QB - P. Mahomes B. Mayfield
RB - S. Barkley, E. Elliott, D. Montgomery, A. Peterson, M. Breida, D. Freeman
WR - T. Hill. AJ Brown, DJ Moore, J. Jefferson, J. Edelman, B. Aiyuk, L. Shenault, JJAW, B. Edwards
TE - Z. Ertz, H. Hurst, J. Smith

SuperSonics - 10Team - 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/2FLEX/1K - .5 PPR
QB - S. Darnold, R. Tannehill, C. Newton
RB - E. Elliott, N. Chubb, D. Cook, R. Jones, A. Peterson
WR - T. Hill, O. Beckham, D. Metcalf, C. Davis, H. Renfrow, R. Cobb
TE - Z. Ertz, E. Engram, H. Henry, J. Smith, K. Rudolph
Picks - 2020 - 2.7
2021 - 2, 3

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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby Pac_Eddy » Wed May 29, 2019 7:41 am

A related story: in October of 2017, I was able to trade away Dez Bryant for the current league champ's 2018 and 2019 firsts. He had a solid but relatively old, veteran team.

The 2018 first was 1.09 where I got Calvin Ridley. That 2019 first ended up being 1.02. A lot changed on his team during those two years.
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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby Jigga94 » Wed May 29, 2019 7:41 am

grandmabetty wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:34 am
As another mentioned those dont depreciate. I often make moves involving picks 2 years away because short sighted owners are eager to give them up only worrying about helping their team now. This allows me to get better value in some cases. The flip side of that coin though is that I need to wait 2 years to cash in on the trade.
Yes and if you do it often, you will always have them appreciating and "maturing" if you will
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - [b]14 Keepers[/b]
QB: Mahomes, J. Allen, D. Jones, Baker
RB: JT, Mostert, Dillon, Gaskin, McFarland, Jeff Wilson, Mattison, Pollard, Damien (IR)
WR: Tyreek, DJM, Jeudy, Hollywood, Cooks, Preston, Cole, G. Davis, Parris (IR), Mims (IR)
TE: Andrews, Henry, Fant
2021: 1, 2, 3

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - [b]20 Keepers[/b]
QB: Mahomes, Ryan, Minshew, Hurts
RB: CMC (IR), Saquon (IR), Jacobs, Dobbins, Hunt, M. Davis, McFarland, Penny, Cohen
WR: DJM, Chark, Ruggs, Hardman, Mike Will, Lazard (IR), C. Davis, G. Davis, Washington, Parris (IR)
TE: Andrews, Henry, Gesicki, Irv, Tonyan
2021: 2, 3, 3
2022: 1, 2, 3, 3

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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby Jigga94 » Wed May 29, 2019 7:42 am

BeeziBad wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:38 am
moishetreats wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:42 am
Always happy to get future picks!! Those are assets that will never depreciate!
I never rebuild, i'm always about winning now and 2055 picks do nothing to help my cause.
I need to take more advice from you. I've put all my stock into 2055 already
2QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FLEX - PPR - [b]14 Keepers[/b]
QB: Mahomes, J. Allen, D. Jones, Baker
RB: JT, Mostert, Dillon, Gaskin, McFarland, Jeff Wilson, Mattison, Pollard, Damien (IR)
WR: Tyreek, DJM, Jeudy, Hollywood, Cooks, Preston, Cole, G. Davis, Parris (IR), Mims (IR)
TE: Andrews, Henry, Fant
2021: 1, 2, 3

2QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 3FLEX - PPR - [b]20 Keepers[/b]
QB: Mahomes, Ryan, Minshew, Hurts
RB: CMC (IR), Saquon (IR), Jacobs, Dobbins, Hunt, M. Davis, McFarland, Penny, Cohen
WR: DJM, Chark, Ruggs, Hardman, Mike Will, Lazard (IR), C. Davis, G. Davis, Washington, Parris (IR)
TE: Andrews, Henry, Gesicki, Irv, Tonyan
2021: 2, 3, 3
2022: 1, 2, 3, 3

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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby TimeWillTell » Wed May 29, 2019 7:49 am

I was looking to sell an aging E. Sanders last season. I shopped him and best I could do was a 2019 2nd (which would've ended up 2.10). But finally a WR needy team (took too many rookies in start up draft) came to me and offered a 2020 1st. He wanted to keep his 2019 to try to improve his team and felt he'd be great after the 2019 draft for several years. Now he's got a questionable Gurley, and possibly finished Hill, a Mahomes with no place to go but down, another RB in Michel with questionable knees and a possible RBBC situation and 1.10 and no 2020 1st. He is sitting on Kirk and C. Davis and Tre Smith as well as Guice so he's def not dead in water but he's panicking a bit now as he's got minimal depth. So I'm thinking my 2020 1st of his may end up mid at worst despite him thinking it'd be a late throwaway. Time will tell.
12 Team 1QB 0.5 PPR 30 man roster
Start: 1QB,2RB,3WR,1TE,1Flex,1K,1Def
QB: Mahomes, Stafford, Jones
RB: Barkley, CEH, Taylor, Dobbins, Swift, Penny, Robinson
WR: Evans, DJM, AJB, Chark, Lamb, Jeudy, J Jefferson, Ruggs, Higgins, P. Williams, Edwards, Shenault, Mims
TE: Andrews, Jonnu, Hock, Hurst
K: Some guy
Def: Who knows
2021 Picks: 2nd

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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby Jcedwards » Wed May 29, 2019 9:02 am

Jigga94 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:38 am
moishetreats wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:42 am
Always happy to get future picks!! Those are assets that will never depreciate!
This. I love doing it with competitive teams who are buyers as well. That team could always flip in 2 years and all of a sudden you have a really good pick.

Best way to do this is if your team is REALLY good and you are getting rid of expendable assets. Or if you are getting a really good value for a rebuild.

I don't like trading for picks far out if my team is middle of the road or if it's only fair value in a rebuild because that guarantees a prolonged rebuild
See I think my team fits the bill of being really good and should be for a long time. I went 12-1 and was the heavy favorite to win the championship. Lost in the semis though, because my team collectively decided to have a bad week. But I have lots of players that should still be elite in several years. Players like Mahomes, Barkley, Mixon, Kamara, OBJ, M Thomas, Cooper, Ertz hopefully, etc.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Minshew / Carr / Winston
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Aaron Jones / Mixon / Akers / Lat Murray
WR- M Thomas / Cooper / OBJ / Diontae Johnson / Patrick / Jeffrey
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Schultz
D/ST- Bills / Bears / Dolphins
K- Butker

IR- Sutton

Taxi- Pollard / Dillon / Pittman / Van Jefferson / Gabe Davis / Harrison Bryant

Picks- 2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
2022: 1st, 2nd, 3rd

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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby Jcedwards » Wed May 29, 2019 9:05 am

TimeWillTell wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:49 am
I was looking to sell an aging E. Sanders last season. I shopped him and best I could do was a 2019 2nd (which would've ended up 2.10). But finally a WR needy team (took too many rookies in start up draft) came to me and offered a 2020 1st. He wanted to keep his 2019 to try to improve his team and felt he'd be great after the 2019 draft for several years. Now he's got a questionable Gurley, and possibly finished Hill, a Mahomes with no place to go but down, another RB in Michel with questionable knees and a possible RBBC situation and 1.10 and no 2020 1st. He is sitting on Kirk and C. Davis and Tre Smith as well as Guice so he's def not dead in water but he's panicking a bit now as he's got minimal depth. So I'm thinking my 2020 1st of his may end up mid at worst despite him thinking it'd be a late throwaway. Time will tell.
Kinda funny because the player I am talking about is Sanders as well. I have another owner (big Broncos fan) hounding me for him. He doesn't have any 1st nor 2nd's for this year or next, so he is offering me his 2021 2nd round pick. I like Sanders, but he is also 32 and coming off a major injury. I really felt like 2021 is so far away and wasn't sure about trading this far out, hence why I was curious as to other people's thoughts on it.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Minshew / Carr / Winston
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Aaron Jones / Mixon / Akers / Lat Murray
WR- M Thomas / Cooper / OBJ / Diontae Johnson / Patrick / Jeffrey
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Schultz
D/ST- Bills / Bears / Dolphins
K- Butker

IR- Sutton

Taxi- Pollard / Dillon / Pittman / Van Jefferson / Gabe Davis / Harrison Bryant

Picks- 2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
2022: 1st, 2nd, 3rd

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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby Jcedwards » Wed May 29, 2019 9:10 am

Glad I could spark some discussion on trading for future picks 2 years in advance. Up until this offer, I had never really thought much about trading for picks that far ahead. But seems like everyone is in agreement that it isn't a bad thing getting picks 2 years out.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Minshew / Carr / Winston
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Aaron Jones / Mixon / Akers / Lat Murray
WR- M Thomas / Cooper / OBJ / Diontae Johnson / Patrick / Jeffrey
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Schultz
D/ST- Bills / Bears / Dolphins
K- Butker

IR- Sutton

Taxi- Pollard / Dillon / Pittman / Van Jefferson / Gabe Davis / Harrison Bryant

Picks- 2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
2022: 1st, 2nd, 3rd

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Re: Trading for pick 2+ years away

Postby Jcedwards » Wed May 29, 2019 9:10 am

Pac_Eddy wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:31 am
I'd have no issue with it. I assume you're getting a pretty good deal though.

Most of my leagues only allow a max of two years ahead, but if I had a player that I really wanted to sell, I'd happily take a 2021 pick.
E. Sanders for 2021 2nd is what the actual offer is.
12 team .5 PPR league. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 13 BN, 1 IR

QB- Mahomes / Minshew / Carr / Winston
RB- Kamara / Barkley / Aaron Jones / Mixon / Akers / Lat Murray
WR- M Thomas / Cooper / OBJ / Diontae Johnson / Patrick / Jeffrey
TE- Ertz / Goedert / Schultz
D/ST- Bills / Bears / Dolphins
K- Butker

IR- Sutton

Taxi- Pollard / Dillon / Pittman / Van Jefferson / Gabe Davis / Harrison Bryant

Picks- 2021: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd
2022: 1st, 2nd, 3rd


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